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Old 26-04-2011, 10:51
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Hello
I have installed Raydons software on to Foxsat hdr. Its brilliant and transforms the possibilities for the hdr.
I can ftp to the box, read the channels and play recorded files from it but only after downloading to pc.
How do I stream live tv from it which are in the file 0.ts.
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Old 26-04-2011, 12:00
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Best way is to download XBMC for the PC. You can set that up to stream the files.
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Old 26-04-2011, 12:25
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...but streaming 0.ts as a way of watching live TV is problematic, because...
1) you don't know where "now" is in the file - you have to skip through to find it,
2) the file is being constantly re-written at "now", so if your method of playback grabs any part of the file ahead of time, you'll jump from nearly live to the middle of the previous programme, and
3) you will hit the end of the file and have to re-start playback every so often.

There might be some neat way of working around this in software (like the STB itself does in chase-play mode), but I haven't seen any one say they've done it on a PC etc.

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Old 26-04-2011, 12:38
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however a simple way to locate 'now' is to change channel, it will then be at the start of the 0.ts file.
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Old 26-04-2011, 13:03
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Last time I checked setting a watch reservation starts 0.ts at the start of the watch reservation.
You can set a watch reservation on any channel that's viewable even when recording two.

eg recording BBC1-HD and BBC-HD with two cables any other channel, With one any low band vertical channel.
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Old 26-04-2011, 18:27
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Not having much luck streaming anything. XBMC is too difficult to set up to stream, cant understand what I am doing wrong.
I can however FTP a recorded file to pc and play it on pc. VLC plays anything, except a stream for me.
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Old 27-04-2011, 11:25
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Not having much luck streaming anything. XBMC is too difficult to set up to stream, cant understand what I am doing wrong.
I can however FTP a recorded file to pc and play it on pc. VLC plays anything, except a stream for me.
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Have you definitely got Samba & Twonky set up on the HDR?

Can you see a TwonkyVision directory under the opt folder (/mnt/hd4/opt) using Filezilla; and in /opt/bin can you see smbclient, smbd, smbpasswd? I'm using an old version of Raydon's software, but I think the directory structure is the same.
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Old 27-04-2011, 18:16
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Yes I have samba installed and twonky and all files are in the directories you mention.

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Old 28-04-2011, 18:24
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Thanks for all the help everyone I have now done it.
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Old 28-04-2011, 19:41
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Buzz Player for the iPad or iPhone works really great for streaming from the Foxsat HDR, once you've installed Raydon's super Samba or Twonky firmware add-on. Either works.

Has anybody got streaming to work from HD content, though? It plays back in slow motion on my iPad - I guess the WiFi connection does not have enough bandwith, even though I'm using wireless N. I also can't stream to my PC on a wired ethernet connection, but I guess in this case it's because my PC has a rather slow Atom processor and no fancy graphics card.

I would be grateful for any advice on what I need in order to stream HD content (non-encrypted recordings, of course).
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Old 05-05-2011, 13:32
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Thanks for all the help everyone I have now done it.
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Ok, so how did you get it working (?) as I have been trying to get this working correctly with either mediatomb or twonky for ages on a Sony Bravia but no-go... (the software on the Bravia complains that it doesn't support mediatomb and if I use twonky, the icon appears on the Bravia but nothing plays correctly... it all works fine if I stream via my PC but I want it to work direct)
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Old 05-05-2011, 14:46
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Ok, so how did you get it working (?) as I have been trying to get this working correctly with either mediatomb or twonky for ages on a Sony Bravia but no-go... (the software on the Bravia complains that it doesn't support mediatomb and if I use twonky, the icon appears on the Bravia but nothing plays correctly... it all works fine if I stream via my PC but I want it to work direct)
Can the Sony Bravia play .ts files [that don't have headers]?
Does the Sony Bravia have USB input so you can try?
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Old 05-05-2011, 15:04
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Can the Sony Bravia play .ts files [that don't have headers]?
Does the Sony Bravia have USB input so you can try?
Yes in answer to both questions. Besides, I can stream .ts files (that originated on the HDR) direct to the Bravia from my PC (across the network or via a USB stick). It seems to be the DLNA standards compliance of both mediatomb and twonky that is the problem... (i.e. they don't fully conform and the Bravia's software seems to be fussy... - twonky passes the Bravia's server diagnostics tests whereas mediatomb doesn't)
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Old 05-05-2011, 17:08
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Is the PC>Bravia sharing (that works) via DLNA (UPnP) though?

Some devices support different codecs (and more likely: containers/wrappers/muxing) depending on how you get the content into them.

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Old 05-05-2011, 19:07
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Is the PC>Bravia sharing (that works) via DLNA (UPnP) though?
Yes it works fine like that.

I have a 1TB USB3 drive attached to my PC which mainly contains archives from the Humax in their original formats (as copied across - no conversions). That drive is shared from my PC and appears as an available network drive on my Bravia; which I can access fine.
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Old 06-05-2011, 10:00
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I don't mean to be a pain, but are you absolutely sure that it's picking it up as a DLNA share, not just via Server Message Block? i.e. Are you running a DLNA server on your PC, and not sharing the media/folder/drive in any other way?

I don't have any answers - I'm just interested because I tried some of this with a (borrowed) Sony TV and failed miserably - it seemed to be very picky about how things were muxed and how they reached the TV. I didn't get to the bottom of all the problems - it didn't seem worth the hassle - plugging a PC into the TV was far easier, played everything, and let me escape from the TV's lousy interface - a linear list of several hundred truncated filenames is not my idea of a user interface!

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Old 06-05-2011, 10:28
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Yes it works fine like that.

I have a 1TB USB3 drive attached to my PC which mainly contains archives from the Humax in their original formats (as copied across - no conversions). That drive is shared from my PC and appears as an available network drive on my Bravia; which I can access fine.
Can the Bravia see the Samba share? That might be a better route.
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Old 06-05-2011, 14:57
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I don't mean to be a pain, but are you absolutely sure that it's picking it up as a DLNA share, not just via Server Message Block? i.e. Are you running a DLNA server on your PC, and not sharing the media/folder/drive in any other way?
Yes because it's from a WMP Network stream within Windows 7 and just in case there's any doubt that that IS a bona-fide DLNA share, here's an extract from an MSDN blog about the subject...

There are a growing number of Network Media Devices (NMDs) certified to interoperate using an open and widely embraced industry standard called the Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA). Windows 7 implements this open standard, which means that sharing media between NMDs, Windows PCs, Windows Home Server, and Extenders for Windows Media Center (including Xbox 360) is easier and more natural. Supporting this standard also means that the myriad of NMDs such as electronic picture frames, network radios, televisions, and others are companions to Windows 7 PCs and may seamlessly participate in the whole-home media experience.

I only include that because there seems to be some people out there who refute that WMP11 (& WMC also) in Windows 7 complies with that standard at all. The Sony Bravia's software definitely confirms it owing to the "Server Diagnostics" analysis result of any of the Windows 7 media shares that are on my network around the house (i.e. they all pass with flying colours and are available on the Bravia for streaming)

I don't have any answers - I'm just interested because I tried some of this with a (borrowed) Sony TV and failed miserably - it seemed to be very picky about how things were muxed and how they reached the TV.
I think that that is the crux. Sony seems to have decided to stick so rigidly to the DLNA standard so that the slightest deviation in the way the protocol layer is handled results in a "refusal to talk" to the offending device. I'm pretty certain that it's this "first hurdle" that is the route cause and nothing to do with formatting or headers etc...

I didn't get to the bottom of all the problems - it didn't seem worth the hassle - plugging a PC into the TV was far easier, played everything, and let me escape from the TV's lousy interface - a linear list of several hundred truncated filenames is not my idea of a user interface!
Amen to that! However, you're right and I could just stick to copying from the Humax to the PC and do it from there but it would just be "nice & tidy" if I could get a direct Humax<>Sony Bravia handshake going well because when it all works (with the PC) the Bravia's software works well and all the info available in the .ts/.nts/.hmt files for each show becomes available... (sigh...)
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Old 06-05-2011, 15:01
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Can the Bravia see the Samba share? That might be a better route.
Yes, it can "see" the Humax's Samba share but it doesn't get past the Server Diagnostics tests (on by default and can't be turned off) and therefore doesn't appear in the main crossbar menus... (i.e. can't be selected to appear)
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Old 06-05-2011, 15:14
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It just occured to me that some on here might find this a useful page to have a read of...

Media Streaming with Windows 7
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Old 06-05-2011, 15:52
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when it all works (with the PC) the Bravia's software works well and all the info available in the .ts/.nts/.hmt files for each show becomes available... (sigh...)
That's clever - do you know how? Can the windows server read it and translate it for exposure via DLNA? I thought the Humax metadata/info files were proprietary. (I know the video ts is standard, but there's no metadata in there AFAICT).

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Old 10-05-2011, 14:45
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Hi.... I have read with interest the threads on enhancing the humax to allow ftp, which I would like to utilise to enable me to either watch or download recordings on/to my iPad.

I know there have been numerous threads on the various aspects of this, but I just want to check that what I intend to do is correct...

I'm planning:

installing the Beta version of new software on Humax HDR
Installing Raydons 'fix'
installing Twonka and/or (???) Samba
installing Buzz on the iPad

Is this right please? Also, what do I need to download recordings to my iPad, preferably without transferring from the pc first? I have ifiles and filebrowser. I also already have various video player apps, including AVPlayerHD, do I need anything else?

Your help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
CM
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Old 10-05-2011, 16:10
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That's clever - do you know how? Can the windows server read it and translate it for exposure via DLNA? I thought the Humax metadata/info files were proprietary. (I know the video ts is standard, but there's no metadata in there AFAICT).

Cheers,
David.
Well, maybe my use of the word "all" was a bit OTT! However, even though I don't get the full info (as in, the same as on the HDR), I do get things like time/date/length info and the actual title is always correct too (even though that may differ from the actual file name* ...).

I suppose the correct answer to your question is that, no, the full info does NOT get interpreted correctly by that yardstick

Colin

*by this I mean that if, say, you created a series timer event for all the F1 races at the start of the season and the first one was (say) Australia, than all the resultant file names would always be like this...

Formula 1_ The Australian Grand____20110327_0559

...but with a different date block. When you subsequently view, say, the info screen for the Chinese Grand Prix, it would all come up correctly named both in the screen list in your series folder and the info; even though the filename would still start with "Formula 1_ The Australian Grand". This is one of the more annoying aspects of the HDR when gathering archives of a particular series when each one has a different title... (and you are archiving over to an external device)
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