[spanglysteve]

I might be wrong (I have done no research) but i would imagine that a large number of the units sold of nokia 1100 is from developing country where price and basic ability to communicate is the main priority.

However, if we are to look at the uk, i cant imagine the 1100 has sold in the same kinds of volumes/proportions as the worlwide figures might otherwise suggest.

[IslandNiles]

I suppose this depends on whether you equate 'sought after' with sales figures. I don't think most people would. There's no doubt that the Nokia 1100 has sold a ridiculous number of units, but I doubt it's a phone people aspire to own. By that logic, the Ford Fiesta is the most sought after car in the UK.

[BOOTHY2905]

Sought after and sold are not the same.

My work phone is crap and I hate it. So I can say it was sought after by me and I'm the end user. It was given to me because it carries a SIM card and makes phone calls. Simple.

A bangs out ford fiesta is enough to get you somewhere but a Ferrari is sought after because it does the same job but a hell of a lot better.

[BOOTHY2905]

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

But they don't employ 250m? I looked up the most sought after phone and Google gave me the 1100, I would have guessed something like a 3310 or that sort of ilk. 250m is one heck of a lot of phones regardless the reason for being in possession of one, that will take a lot of beating in the coming years.

I've got a Phillips Savvy phone new in box, it was the fifth or six replacement I was sent due to breakdowns; by the time this one arrived I'd bought another phone, open to offers before it goes on ebay as a 'working collectable'

I never said they did, but a massive percentage of the 1100 may have been sold to pop a sim in for an employee around the globe who hated that phone but only needed it to receive calls.

[neo_wales]

"a massive percentage of the 1100 may have been sold to pop a sim in for an employee around the globe"

Any evidence or sales numbers?.

Half sold to Joe Public would still be more than the iPhone sales by a large margin for instance....sorry forgot...they (Apple) are heavy into corporate sales like Blackberry so many of their millions of sales don't count lol.

1100 is still tops. Good little phone it was too. It was in the right place at the right time.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

Do you use an iPhone by any chance lol

Hmmmm.....

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Originally Posted by Gormond

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I think that's fairly conclusive lmao

[moox]

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Originally Posted by Gormond

This just shows you have no idea what "sought after" means

It seems like you are trying to move the goalposts in an attempt to get the result you want. You want the iPhone to be the correct answer, so you move the goalposts to suit.

Why have more people bought a Nokia 1100 over an iPhone? Why do more people want a Nokia 1100?

[BOOTHY2905]

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

"a massive percentage of the 1100 may have been sold to pop a sim in for an employee around the globe"

Any evidence or sales numbers?.

Half sold to Joe Public would still be more than the iPhone sales by a large margin for instance....sorry forgot...they (Apple) are heavy into corporate sales like Blackberry so many of their millions of sales don't count lol.

1100 is still tops. Good little phone it was too. It was in the right place at the right time.

Look I said may of because my company has thousands of 3210's as of last year because they are cheap. And I said MAY I didn't say definitely did I?
Geez mate get over it. Sought after and sales figures are completely different.

[Columbo Fan]

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Originally Posted by spoonfulofsense

So all those people that bought it didn't want it? I think the term "sought after" is a bit ambiguous here.

Maybe the OP should have said 'hyped up' as that is the only definition which the iPhone wins under. Anyone except a homeless person can get an iPhone if they want, very few people can't afford £35 a month and they'll give mobile contracts to anyone (I have awful credit history and have never failed a contract for a mobile) so there's nothing stopping 95% of the population getting one if they wanted it.

Appe fans are certainly more vocal about their fanboyism but don't confuse that with the number of people that actually want one (which is much lower than most iPhone owners think it is).

I could have bought an iPhone but I didn't; I got the Galaxy SII because it's a better phone (and no I won't argue on that until the iPhone 5 comes out which will rival it, the iPhone 4 doesn't come close) and I'm not the only one. The fact that Android is outselling iOS right now is testement to that fact.

I would say there are as many people who would never buy an iPhone as people who would only buy an iPhone, Apple are like Marmite in that respect.

However the Nokia 3210 was wanted and bought by everyone.

There is nothing ambigous here. I'd but my example in the most simplest of ways


' I want a mobile phone' - basic need

' I want an Iphone' - desire/ sort after

Iphone was the 'must have phone' and still has unprecedented demand. With regards to factors I use to determine what is sort after , the following are my criteria


Is the buyer prepared to pay a premium for the product?
Is the buyer prepared to invest time and effort in acquiring the product?
Is the buyer prepared to make sacrifices to acquire this product?
Is the buyer prepared to swap/sell a similar product for this product?
Is it the general point of conversation within that market?


Does the Nokia 1100 fit into the above mentioned points? Not in my opinion.

[spoonfulofsense]

Firstly can people stop using cars as examples. Very few people can afford a Ferrari so end up having to 'settle' for a Ford Fiesta (or similar) whereas very few people can't pass a credit check, get a free (i)phone and pay 30 odd quid a month. There is a very obvious finacial obsticle that stops the the majority of people buying top of the range cars whch doesn't exist with mobile phones. I have just "bought" a Samsung Galaxy SII which is worth over £500 sim-free but do you think I have half a grand spare, do I b@ll@cks! I got it on a contract free, an option open to pretty much anyone.

Which is why sales figures are a better indicator than they would be with cars.

Secondly, talking about the iPhone specifically, you can't judge how "sought after" it was because its launch was on the news and it got a lot of press coverage (which I suspect a lot of people are doing). This is because Apple has, and will always, appeal to "media types" and because of this their products get a disproportional amount of promotion through the media. Journalists use Macs and iPads so naturally they want to report on iPhone launches when they occur. Add to the fact Apple deliberately make their products only available in their physical shops on launch day and you end up with endless news reports showing queues of people outside Apple Stores waiting for the next iPhone to be launched.

Steve Jobs is a genius when it comes to distoring reality and creating an amplified delusions of granduer around his products,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

In short, I don't think you can use your memeories of media hype to guage a true reflection on how "sought after" the iPhone (1,2,3,4) was/is.

Thirdly and finally, mobiles phones have been around for decades now and the thread title clearly states "since records began" but I think a lot of people are relying on recent memory only to answer the question and pretending records only began five years ago.

The only way to accurately answer this question would be to look at surveys asking exactly the question in the OP every year since 'records began'.

[Gormond]

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Originally Posted by moox

It seems like you are trying to move the goalposts in an attempt to get the result you want. You want the iPhone to be the correct answer, so you move the goalposts to suit.

Why have more people bought a Nokia 1100 over an iPhone? Why do more people want a Nokia 1100?

If you bothered reading other posts you would see that most people are in agreement with me in that sales != sought after.

When did I say I want the iPhone to be the correct answer? Utter tosh, the amount of blatant Apple haters on this board is crazy...

As I previously said the most sought after phone could be the HTC Desire for all I know... And wouldn't bother me if it was one bit!

All I know is that it definitely isn't the Nokia 1100, no one has ever sought after that phone, the reason they have it is:

1) given to them as a cheap present or work.
2) someone like my dad who just wants a basic phone to text and call and any cheap phone will do (although even he didn't like Nokia 1100).

Car is a perfect analogy, you say you don't pay £500 but in actual fact you do, your just paying it up on a monthly basis. My dad is a perfect example, he gets 800 mins, unlimited texts on a £15 / month contract. Ever year he gets a new phone and just takes what they offer him, he has never been offered something like the Samsung Galaxy SII as they would want a bigger monthly payment and a 2 year contract .

So when my dad like many people end up getting a shitty Nokia or SE phone it's definitely not because he sought after it!

[spoonfulofsense]

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Car is a perfect analogy, you say you don't pay £500 but in actual fact you do, your just paying it up on a monthly basis.

No the car example isn't 'perfect' at all. There is no loan company in the world that would let a person on low income and with a less than great credit history, like me, get a loan big enough to buy even a higher end family car let alone a super car. There is literally no way (without a lottery win or similar) that I could ever own the latest Ferrari or Bugatti.

On the other hand I have just been given a contract (or loan as you correctly imply) on the most expensive phone you can buy today and I'm in no doubt that had I wanted an iPhone I could have just as easily got a contract/loan on one.

Sorry but you need a better analogy because the car one is flawed.

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Originally Posted by Gormond

My dad is a perfect example, he gets 800 mins, unlimited texts on a £15 / month contract. Ever year he gets a new phone and just takes what they offer him, he has never been offered something like the Samsung Galaxy SII as they would want a bigger monthly payment and a 2 year contract .

Sounds like your dad is apathetic twoards mobile phones which is fair enough. He's probably just not interested in having the "most sought after phone" and so is happy to take whatever upgrade he is offered. If he is using a lower end model then no contract provider is going to offer him a bleeding edge model as they know (or can guess) from his age and current mobile it would be unlikely he would be interested. They want him to continue his contract with them so they offer him a mobile they think would suit him. I would be very suprised though if they did offer him a small upgrade/sligtly better model as one of the options though, of course they aren't just going to leap to the top of the range and scare him off.

I don't see how that supports the car analogy at all.

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Originally Posted by Gormond

So when my dad like many people end up getting a shitty Nokia or SE phone it's definitely not because he sought after it!

But you are making the assumption that everyone loves phones and should aspire to 'want' a certain model. You are talking as if everyone who owns a mobile phone feels it somehow says something about them wheres millions of people in this country don't sought any particular phone (like your dad and my parents).

You are also making the question about specific brand names and models, so someone who apires[d] to have an iPhone, Galaxy, N95 or whatever should have their opinion counted but someone who doesn't care about the name by is soughting particular features doesn't count. Why does the answer to the question have to be a specific model and not simply "one that works and is cheap"?

[neo_wales]

As phones other than the 1100 were on the market then sales of 250,000,000 meet the criteria of 'sought out' however you look at it because they were sold, they were sought and purchased.

The chap's father who is mentioned sounds rather like me, does not worry about model so long as a phone call can be made, they all are only phones fundamentally.