yet my 7 yr old lad thinks it's wonderful and understands it totally.

So how did he explain it to you?

My daughter didn't mention anything about not understanding the plot. Please read my post properly.

Ever since it came back we've had story arcs that only become clear at the end of each series.

In that sense I don't really see what's changed, it isn't any more complicated - the mystery has always been there (well, since the RTD reboot)

But we've never seen so many questions asked in such a short period of time. It's just too much!

No, its not. It BECOMES to much when you try to answer those questions. Sit back, lot the Moff answer them for you, and just enjoy each episode as it comes.

I think it's intriguing.

Maybe it's a question of how different people react to it, some will want to come back each week to find out a bit more, others will decide that they can't be bothered with stuff that isn't immediately obvious from episode 1 of each series and will watch Corrie instead....

Sorry but I've got to disagree, the story as it was was a mess.

What that comment needs is a great big in my opinion.

Just because you couldn't understand it, does not mean you can write it off as a 'mess'.

Ok, that's my opinion

It is a complicated story but the pay off will eventually be worth it.

Doctor Who has had that element to it since the reboot with the 9th Doctor and long may it continue.

Really I understand if they didn't understand it but boring?????

And no they haven't became unfathomable at all like I said repeatedly after TIA in which people were moaning about complexity I think people are mixing up confusion with unexplained just wait and let the answers come.

I've held off until the second episode for an opinion, but for me the last two episodes have been an absolute joy - and something I never dared dream I'd see Doctor Who become (as long as the ultimate resolution doesn't turn out to be 'it's fixed because it's fixed' - but I don't think it can be this time )

For many of the younger viewers I'm sure the scares and thrills, the heroism and emotion, the etc and etc (and amazing etceteras they may very well be!) will be enough even if they can't follow along. (And I'm astounded to see people posting that five or six year-olds could follow that, let alone explain it. If so I have quite a few questions for them!)

For intelligent adults who are not every-episoders, and who wish to understand things, (or at least be able to think they understand things - which is all I ask for myself, and then even roughly enough will do), I think it's getting too complicated, even unfathomable, yes.

I think there will be those who enjoyed the RTD era who simply cannot invest enough time in this to wrap their brains around to feel they're not missing many things, without watching every Saturday night and going over and over it.

I hope I'm wrong, but huge fans like my Dad (we've watched it together since the 70s) were lost last series - he even stopped bothering to watch for the first time ever, until pushed back to it. And this series so far looks far, far more complicated!

I dearly hope I'm wrong, but here we have a two-parter that has, imho, more questions arising from it and unresolved than from any single entire series since the revival!

The start to this season is infinitely better than last season. The Prisoner Zero episode had me disappointed, the next episode nearly drove me away completely. I've been glued to the TV during these two though and much is promised

I posted this (although slightly altered) on another thread,

I think the new "complicated" (which sorry are so far not complicated just currently unexplained) episodes would attract viewers. The show has been going for 6 years so if you have never particularly liked it you probably wouldn't have liked it last year. However, some people may watch just to say look how stupid and childish this show is and switched on tonight and said "wow actually this is pretty interesting".
I think adults who want to get in to it would want to be challenged in some way and Moffat knows that. This show is still family friendly, look on the Impossible Astronaut thread a couple of people said their kids understood mostly with a couple of questions. And kids looking for cool monsters will only get what they are looking for... cool monsters I don't really imagine they will understand what goes on in many episodes as long as this man beats the alien in some form they recognise they will be happy. Sometimes RTD made DT come out with a load scientific lines for his Doctor to say and that stuff went right over the kids heads. Moffat understands this and will probably focus on challenging teenagers and adults but he also knows as long as he shows The Doctor beating the monster (and what does he show at the end of DotM ) the kids will be fine. This doesn't go for all kids by the way I'm sure some do get confused but IMO half of these episodes are not as confusing as some make out.

I've nothing against "clever storytelling" but this series isn't going to finish until the Autumn. How is anyone going to juggle all these story lines in their heads until then?

It's really not that hard.

Well the US usually handle 24 episode seasons easily enough, and in the case of something like Lost, which has questions spanning 6 seasons, and even then, never fully explained, I think the UK should be able to handle the mystery in a short series run.

However the gap is a problem. I think it's quite possible that they will answer a few of the smaller questions before the break, the sort of things you'll forget in the gap, but the MAJOR questions, like who shot the doctor, well, you're not going to forget about that plot over the summer, are you? It's like Eastenders dragging out a "who shot Phil Mitchell" plot. Nobody complained about that being complicated, did they!?

Just today I was saying to my husband that perhaps it was time for our 7 year old to start watching it. We decided not tonight as it was the second of a 2-parter. I'm glad we decided not to let him watch it. He would have been totally lost!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...on-review.html



Gavin Fuller, Dr Who Expert, review of the show. Any thoughts welcome.

Yeah, I'd never advise anyone to start watching a show that has already started. Have him watch last week's episode first, and he'll be fine

Gavin Fuller is a moron. Hope that helps.

Note how he claims the tally marks aren't explained when they are.

I hate it when people say you have to be intelligent to understand it, they said the same about Lost and what a load of rubbish that turned out to be, if it's not clear then that's the writer's fault not the viewer's.

Thankfully Moffat has only written 5 of the 13 episodes this series so there should be some more enjoyable and intelligible episodes along the way.

here is a simple explaination of a complex plot situation following on from tonights ending.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks8ZI...eature=related

and a possible new Dr Who

I've been very quick to criticise when recent episodes of the Moffat Era have been less than brilliant but as far as tonight's episode goes, I found it quite straight forward and easy to understand. Sometimes Matt Smith loses me with his plot exposition but even then I felt I had a grip by the end of the episode.