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Are we dealing with two different timelines bleeding together?
Pootmatoot
30-04-2011
One where Amy is pregnant, one where she is not.

One where River and the Dr have kissed previously, one where they have not.

One where Amy is hunting Silents, one where she's in a mental asylum, with a nurse checking on her ramblings.

One where Rory remembers being a Roman, one where he does not.

One with a dead Dr, one where he is not.

One where they defeated the Silents, one where they did not (hence Amy and Rory not having already seen the post-hypnotic suggestion in the moonlanding footage).



And just to make this a traditional Dr Who thread, let's pretend it's a Rani experiment. Every thread *must* mention the bloody Rani!
lach doch mal
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by Pootmatoot:
“One where Amy is pregnant, one where she is not.

One where River and the Dr have kissed previously, one where they have not.

One where Amy is hunting Silents, one where she's in a mental asylum, with a nurse checking on her ramblings.

One where Rory remembers being a Roman, one where he does not.

One with a dead Dr, one where he is not.

One where they defeated the Silents, one where they did not (hence Amy and Rory not having already seen the post-hypnotic suggestion in the moonlanding footage).



And just to make this a traditional Dr Who thread, let's pretend it's a Rani experiment. Every thread *must* mention the bloody Rani!”

I think you might be on to something, although i think we are dealing with two interlinked universes.
hopscotch23
30-04-2011
Don't forget Sally Sparrow

I must watch it again and look at The Doctor's jacket. My son pointed out that the future Doctor's jacket was different to be 908 yr old Doctor's jacket. Yet the jacket being worn by the Doctor at the end of the episode was patterned like the jacket of the future Doctor?
andychurchill
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by Pootmatoot:
“One where River and the Dr have kissed previously, one where they have not.”

Cross that one off your list, that one is easy to explain and has been explained in a number of threads so far this evening, it's all in the dialogue of the past two episodes, and what we've seen regarding the relationship between River Song and the Doctor in past episodes involving River Song.
LivingDestiny
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by Pootmatoot:
“ And just to make this a traditional Dr Who thread, let's pretend it's a Rani experiment. Every thread *must* mention the bloody Rani!”

Not sure about your theory but this made me laugh

But the kissing thing is just because the Doctor and River are travelling in opposite directions so The Doctors first kiss with her is Rivers last with him - that's why she was upset... just like the Doctors last kiss will be Rivers first... Though maybe that is just SM wants us to think
Pootmatoot
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by andychurchill:
“Cross that one off your list, that one is easy to explain and has been explained in a number of threads so far this evening, it's all in the dialogue of the past two episodes, and what we've seen regarding the relationship between River Song and the Doctor in past episodes involving River Song.”


But she knew exactly where she was in their respective timelines. It looked to me like, according to her diary, they should have been banging jigglies by now. She had a kind of "What the...?" look on her face, not a "Oh, silly me, wrong point in time".
LivingDestiny
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by hopscotch23:
“Don't forget Sally Sparrow

I must watch it again and look at The Doctor's jacket. My son pointed out that the future Doctor's jacket was different to be 908 yr old Doctor's jacket. Yet the jacket being worn by the Doctor at the end of the episode was patterned like the jacket of the future Doctor? ”

Seems like a SM thing to do... Remember TOA when The doctor talks to Amy in the jacket which we thought was the present Doctor at the time but it was really The Doctor from TBB
enna_g
30-04-2011
I agree with the two time lines and mentioned this on another thread. It would explain quite a lot to me about the on off pregnancy and the surprise on River's face after the kiss. Ok I understand they are going in opposite directions but there was still something not quite right about it to me. Only time will tell and doesn't look like we will get any answers next week unfortunately.
nattoyaki
30-04-2011
Originally Posted by andychurchill:
“Cross that one off your list, that one is easy to explain and has been explained in a number of threads so far this evening, it's all in the dialogue of the past two episodes, and what we've seen regarding the relationship between River Song and the Doctor in past episodes involving River Song.”

No it's not.

Unless:

a) The 'time can be rewritten' has been prematurely extended to 'the Doctor and River's relationship can be rewritten' - i.e. their meetings, previously presented to us as out of sequence for both of them - and apparently confirmed in just the last episode, are now in exact reverse order for both of them.

AND

b) 'Spoilers' - it absolutely could not and should not have been known to River.

I believe you've missed a great trick here, andychurchill. It's not something I can explain right now, and/or think anyone else could without insider knowledge, but I think the crux of the matter (this is just my humble opinion) is - and so not something I'm going to patronise people by saying has 'been explained' or is 'easy to explain' - the key to the whole thing.
zimnoch2007
01-05-2011
Im totally confused about everything haha. The finale episode of this seasons doctor who better be a good one Mr Moffet. I hope I can sit at my chair and go ahhh so everything from those previous episodes make perfect sense now
Gene the Cow
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Pootmatoot:
“But she knew exactly where she was in their respective timelines. It looked to me like, according to her diary, they should have been banging jigglies by now. She had a kind of "What the...?" look on her face, not a "Oh, silly me, wrong point in time".”

Think of it as when you're in the middle of a relationship, thigns are going well and you're just planning for the future. All of a sudden things break off and the person just doesn't do that sort of stuff anymore.

That is what River is faced with.

To her this is just another adventure with her Doctor, they are in the middle of something major, building their comfortable relationship and going on fine. She thinks there is much more to come and now is when she realises this is it. No more kissing, no more adventures, it's all going downhill from here.

The day she most dreads is getting closer. Her relationship with The Doctor as she knows it is over and it's all too soon for her to take it in
JCR
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Gene the Cow:
“Think of it as when you're in the middle of a relationship, thigns are going well and you're just planning for the future. All of a sudden things break off and the person just doesn't do that sort of stuff anymore.

That is what River is faced with.

To her this is just another adventure with her Doctor, they are in the middle of something major, building their comfortable relationship and going on fine. She thinks there is much more to come and now is when she realises this is it. No more kissing, no more adventures, it's all going downhill from here.

The day she most dreads is getting closer. Her relationship with The Doctor as she knows it is over and it's all too soon for her to take it in”

Although that's wrong as per Forest of the Dead as an older doctor gave her his screwdriver just before the Library, and presumably this means River Song and the Doctor can't be meeting in exactly the opposite order.

I should change my name to Dalek Agent, as I can't stand the confusion in my mind!
Ben..
01-05-2011
One where the TARDIS has exploded and one where it hasn't
Fudd
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Pootmatoot:
“But she knew exactly where she was in their respective timelines. It looked to me like, according to her diary, they should have been banging jigglies by now. She had a kind of "What the...?" look on her face, not a "Oh, silly me, wrong point in time".”

I think you may ahve a point, just because River suddenly changed her pet name for the Doctor. In The Impossible Astronaut (and in previous stories) it was 'sweetie'...suddenly, in the Lodger's TARDIS, it had switched to 'honey'.
Gene the Cow
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Although that's wrong as per Forest of the Dead as an older doctor gave her his screwdriver just before the Library, and presumably this means River Song and the Doctor can't be meeting in exactly the opposite order.”

Ah but that has happened to her yet, so from now on as we see it they are moving in opposite directions.

At some point The Doctor will realise that he needs to visit her before she goes to The Library and give it to her. I think that may happen after he meets her for the last time (She doesn't know who he is and he realises what he must do)
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