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Old 02-05-2011, 12:30
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So are they 'saying' that sports is discounted if you take an entertainment pack, but you pay the full hit if it's 'satnd-alone' ?
It's just a smoke and mirrors thing. Even their own people aren't properly trained on it which is why people often can't get it by phone.

It's basically something they've come up with so that all the shills they have on all the various forums can deny that you must have an entertainment mix to get sport.

OK, so you have to pay virtually the same but it means they are technically correct and they can use it to deflect criticism of sky's outrageous monopoly pricing.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:16
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It's just a smoke and mirrors thing. Even their own people aren't properly trained on it which is why people often can't get it by phone.
It is a smoke and mirrors thing in which case they should advertise it better, but they don't want you to take just the sports which is why their own people arn't trained on it.

It's basically something they've come up with so that all the shills they have on all the various forums can deny that you must have an entertainment mix to get sport
So just because someone who has found out by themselves with no help from Sky is a shill (whatever that is) because they inform someone who is interested..

OK, so you have to pay virtually the same but it means they are technically correct and they can use it to deflect criticism of sky's outrageous monopoly pricing.
It isn't any worse than any a lot of other companies (I won't mention any just in case it upsets some who are a little sensitive on here) but I would much rather they were cheaper. However, i have Sky for one reason and that is I can't afford a Freesat+ box (and I don't have any other PVR) otherwise Sky would be cancelled. FYI I have my 3 mix for half price for 6 months which is 50p per month more than just the recording features (I am not happy that I would have to pay for these) in which time I hope to be able to save up for a Freesat+ box.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:35
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It is a smoke and mirrors thing
I know. That's what I just said.

So just because someone who has found out by themselves with no help from Sky is a shill (whatever that is) because they inform someone who is interested.
Very poor logic.

They are not shills because they found this out. They are shills because they stalk the non sky forums promoting sky. The salient point is that an extremely well hidden and virtually pointless sky option that seems to exist purely so that the sky shills on the forums can deny that you are forced to by an entertainment pack before you can buy sport. Even though you end up spending almost excatly the same - you just don't get the entertainment pack for the money.


It isn't any worse than any a lot of other companies
So, is that the way you think think sky should be judged?

They may be a monopoly that uses monopolistic and obfuscational pricing but, hey, there are other companies that are as bad so that's fine.

I sometimes despair of sky's apologists.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:35
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So are they 'saying' that sports is discounted if you take an entertainment pack, but you pay the full hit if it's 'satnd-alone' ?
More like the standard price is £20 but you pay double if you want it alone.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:46
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More like the standard price is £20 but you pay double if you want it alone.
If you look behind the smoke and mirrors, then it seems sky's pricing is something along these lines. (I don't know the actual figures but the principle is the same).

Minimum payment £10 (lets your record)
Basic account needed to subscribe to any channels £9 (gets you one mix)
Mixes after first £1
Sports £xx
Movies £xx

Of course, that looks pretty poor so they disguise it by displaying it in ways designed to hide what they are really doing.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:55
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If you look behind the smoke and mirrors, then it seems sky's pricing is something along these lines. (I don't know the actual figures but the principle is the same).

Minimum payment £10 (lets your record)
Basic account needed to subscribe to any channels £9 (gets you one mix)
Mixes after first £1
Sports £xx
Movies £xx

Of course, that looks pretty poor so they disguise it by displaying it in ways designed to hide what they are really doing.
The only 'mistake' there is the first two - it should be one single amount of £19, there's no seperate recording charge, you pay just the same for an old SD non-PVR as for a new HD PVR (as Sky+).

The actual figures are close enough, perhaps plus the VAT changes?.
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Old 02-05-2011, 13:55
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I know. That's what I just said.
I was agreeing, maybe I should just said that.

Very poor logic.
OK misunderstood,

They are not shills because they found this out. They are shills because they stalk the non sky forums promoting sky. The salient point is that an extremely well hidden and virtually pointless sky option that seems to exist purely so that the sky shills on the forums can deny that you are forced to by an entertainment pack before you can buy sport. Even though you end up spending almost excatly the same - you just don't get the entertainment pack for the money.
I for one, don't stalk non Sky forums to promote Sky. I was on here looking to see which Freesat PVR I need to save up for.
So, is that the way you think think sky should be judged?

They may be a monopoly that uses monopolistic and obfuscational pricing but, hey, there are other companies that are as bad so that's fine.
Unfortunately, its what happens when companies get to big.

I sometimes despair of sky's apologists.
I despair of some who automatically tar any one with info for Sky as an apologist
I couldn't care less which platform someone chooses for their viewing pleasure, but if I know the answer to a question or can direct someone to the correct info, I will post it.
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Old 02-05-2011, 14:33
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assuminng many 'update' hardware every 2 years or so, if you have a fairly recent SkyHD box, does it make sense to go out a buy another PVR for £230/£250 when the one you already have is perfectly ok?
OK you pay Sky a tenner a month, but it works out the same over 2 years, plus you do have the advantage, should the need arise to opt into a pacakge for a month, if there is somehgting you'd like to see!

Does Box Office work with FSFS ?
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Old 02-05-2011, 14:34
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Does Box Office work with FSFS ?
No, it doesn't
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:18
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I was agreeing, maybe I should just said that.


OK misunderstood,


I for one, don't stalk non Sky forums to promote Sky. I was on here looking to see which Freesat PVR I need to save up for.

Unfortunately, its what happens when companies get to big.


I despair of some who automatically tar any one with info for Sky as an apologist
I couldn't care less which platform someone chooses for their viewing pleasure, but if I know the answer to a question or can direct someone to the correct info, I will post it.
FYI I wasn't shouting,just trying to make clear that your comments were not applicable to this forum,nor were the questions leading up to them.

I find it amazing that you post apparently promoting sky,and when you receive criticism for doing so you suddenly announce that you were actually visiting the thread to see which was the best PVR to buy for Freesat,yet in your original post you claimed that you thought Freesat and fsfs were the same and have not once asked a question about PVR's!!
You can rest assured that if you post any further information
promoting sky on Freesats forum I will take you up on your suggestion and alert the mods
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:25
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FYI I wasn't shouting,just trying to make clear that your comments were not applicable to this forum,nor were the questions leading up to them.
Then I apologise as I thought it was aimed solely at me.

I find it amazing that you post apparently promoting sky,and when you receive criticism for doing so you suddenly announce that you were actually visiting the thread to see which was the best PVR to buy for Freesat,yet in your original post you claimed that you thought Freesat and fsfs were the same and have not once asked a question about PVR's!!
You can rest assured that if you post any further information
promoting sky on Freesats forum I will take you up on your suggestion and alert the mods
I suggest you read the thread again and point out the highlighted bit that you think I posted but, as I posted no such statement you'll struggle.

I'd await an apology, but given that the Freesat forum seems to be so unwelcoming, I'll not bother.

PS: You fail to say I also mentioned another company but that doesn't fit with the anti Sky mentality does it
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:27
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Freesat for those that can't get Freeview and don't want Sky and are just venturing into the jungle, and FSFS for those that have had Sky and are 'downgrading' ?
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:27
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assuminng many 'update' hardware every 2 years or so, if you have a fairly recent SkyHD box, does it make sense to go out a buy another PVR for £230/£250 when the one you already have is perfectly ok?
OK you pay Sky a tenner a month, but it works out the same over 2 years, plus you do have the advantage, should the need arise to opt into a pacakge for a month, if there is somehgting you'd like to see!

Does Box Office work with FSFS ?
On the other hand, youre throwing away a tenner a month after that. I bought my PVR 2 1/2 years ago and Id be up £60 already and Ive got another £300 to come until the guaranteed runs out.

its very short sighted to pay to record and thats the sole reason why I got FS.
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:29
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Freesat for those that can't get Freeview and don't want Sky and are just venturing into the jungle, and FSFS for those that have had Sky and are 'downgrading' ?
Most people got FS for HD and a PVR thats free to use.
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:29
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The only 'mistake' there is the first two - it should be one single amount of £19, there's no seperate recording charge, you pay just the same for an old SD non-PVR as for a new HD PVR (as Sky+).
The point of the way I listed them is that they are a completely 'honest' way of stating what you pay.

I specifically didn't call the first £10 a recording fee as you have to pay it anyway but it is the smallest fee you can pay and still be a sky 'customer' for TV. It just so happens that the only thing you get for that is the ability to record.
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:55
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Most people got FS for HD and a PVR thats free to use.
If you already have a prefectly good HD PVR, then maybe a tenner a month for 2 years is not a bad alternative?

Although it is a sign of the times I suppose, that people junk items that are perfectly fine, because the grass is greener..

a lot can happen in 2 years !
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:06
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Sky Sports can be added without subscribing to the entertainment packs. To have a single sky sports channel either sky sports 1 or 2 would be 29.75 or if you take sky sports 1 and 2 you would also be given sky sports 3 and 4 free as bonus channels this would be 38.75 per month without any entertainment packs however this would be a minimum 12 months subscription.
What?

Whaaat??

That's over four-hundred smackers for all the sports channels (not including Eurosport or ESPN, I believe). Ye Gods, that's a week's holiday in the Med for me.

If you want to know why the pirates are so popular, there's your answer. Just wonder how much Sky could get away with if they DIDN'T have that ruddy Premiergreed football? Probably a tenner/month, tops.
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:23
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If you already have a prefectly good HD PVR, then maybe a tenner a month for 2 years is not a bad alternative?
Not really.

At the end of two years you'll end up having paid sky £240 and still have no PVR that you can use without paying murdoch.

So you either

1) Pay murdoch even more to allow you to use your new equipment
2) Pay out for a decent free to use PVR having just wasted £240 paying murdoch depen steuer.

Seems a pretty brain dead path to me.
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:32
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If you already have a prefectly good HD PVR, then maybe a tenner a month for 2 years is not a bad alternative?

Although it is a sign of the times I suppose, that people junk items that are perfectly fine, because the grass is greener..

a lot can happen in 2 years !
Yeah like the sky pvr could go bang and since you arent subscribing to them, they might not even replace it.
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Old 02-05-2011, 17:14
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Then I apologise as I thought it was aimed solely at me.


I suggest you read the thread again and point out the highlighted bit that you think I posted but, as I posted no such statement you'll struggle.

I'd await an apology, but given that the Freesat forum seems to be so unwelcoming, I'll not bother.

PS: You fail to say I also mentioned another company but that doesn't fit with the anti Sky mentality does it
I do owe you an apology,you didn't make the comment that I attributed to you,sorry.

I didn't mention Freeview because it has not turned into post after post about that platform.
Before you start accusing people of being anti sky check their posting history.What I am anti is the many times a F/S thread will be "Highjacked" by the Pro sky entourage.
You will not find those of us on the F/S Forums hijacking the sky ones.
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Old 02-05-2011, 17:31
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I do owe you an apology,you didn't make the comment that I attributed to you,sorry.

I didn't mention Freeview because it has not turned into post after post about that platform.
Before you start accusing people of being anti sky check their posting history.What I am anti is the many times a F/S thread will be "Highjacked" by the Pro sky entourage.
You will not find those of us on the F/S Forums hijacking the sky ones.
Accepted and I take your point about posting history, but as I said, I was here for one reason, and that was to look through the F/S forum for information on F/S PVR's (excluding Humax) as I don't plan on having Sky past the 6 months half price (its not worth anymore) offer.

I for one don't browse forums just to say how good Sky is because it isn't (this was my first foray into the F/S forum BTW). But I'll leave it at that.
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Old 02-05-2011, 17:47
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If you already have a prefectly good HD PVR, then maybe a tenner a month for 2 years is not a bad alternative?
I think it's a REALLY bad alternative - if you don't want subscription TV, and you do want to record, then it makes sense to buy a Freesat PVR.

A far better alternative (than the £10) is to keep subscribing to one mix, and at least get a decent range of great programming for your money.
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Old 02-05-2011, 17:54
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A far better alternative (than the £10) is to keep subscribing to one mix, and at least get a decent range of great programming for your money.
LOL.

Yeah, keep paying murdoch ~£20 a month when there is an superb range of excellent programming available for nothing.

Doesn't seen like that good a deal to me - unless you are housebound and spend the whole day in front of the TV.
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Old 02-05-2011, 18:20
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Accepted and I take your point about posting history, but as I said, I was here for one reason, and that was to look through the F/S forum for information on F/S PVR's (excluding Humax) as I don't plan on having Sky past the 6 months half price (its not worth anymore) offer.

I for one don't browse forums just to say how good Sky is because it isn't (this was my first foray into the F/S forum BTW). But I'll leave it at that.
Glad we have sorted things out.

If you are still considering a Freesat PVR? Personally I would opt for the Humax. They are a little more expensive but overall very reliable.You can also get some very good deals on the 320 GB version.NO I don't work for Humax!!
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Old 02-05-2011, 21:17
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I did use to have time to watch the sport etc but have little time these days my sky box was at 90 % full with cbeebies....
If you buy the Humax HDR then note that you can easily :
1. Change the disk to a 1Tb model
2. By loadiung a "extended firmware" and using the "HDR Housekeeper" program you can limit the number of copies of recordings or the number of days they are held. Works a treat to keep the dreaded Eastenders from filling up my disk !
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