Maybe whoever it was, was the owner of the boat that they used to burn the Doctor's body in.
Who is the 6th person on the beach?
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I see 3 possible reasons.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.
2. Its somehow part of the plot, future version, someone we haven't met or such like.
3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.
The first two episodes were full of references to conspiracy lore, some more obvious than others. There are very obvious ones like nods to Area 51, Moon landing theories, Men in black, Mr Watergate Richard Nixon (note the "tape everything that happens in this room, of course he did IRL and so on and sort of meta references like the rather brilliant scene where an FBI agent turns up at a creepy location with a red head companion (one of a million nods to the X-files).
I think this might be a bit of a crumb to get internet types excited, this is a little TOO like the whole Kennedy assasination "who was the second shooter?" grassy knol lark.
I think this was deliverately put in to get us talking. If it was i take my hat off to the production team.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.
2. Its somehow part of the plot, future version, someone we haven't met or such like.
3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.
The first two episodes were full of references to conspiracy lore, some more obvious than others. There are very obvious ones like nods to Area 51, Moon landing theories, Men in black, Mr Watergate Richard Nixon (note the "tape everything that happens in this room, of course he did IRL and so on and sort of meta references like the rather brilliant scene where an FBI agent turns up at a creepy location with a red head companion (one of a million nods to the X-files).
I think this might be a bit of a crumb to get internet types excited, this is a little TOO like the whole Kennedy assasination "who was the second shooter?" grassy knol lark.
I think this was deliverately put in to get us talking. If it was i take my hat off to the production team.
Anybody else find seeing that figure slightly freaky?
Gave me that horrible chill feeling..
I like the Young Canton idea too, could be any of them though.
Guess we'll have to keep watching to find out and see if Abomination's right!
Edit: neel, if I could 'Like' that post I would. If you're right it would be a cruel 'playful joke'! I do hope it is significant though.
Gave me that horrible chill feeling..
I like the Young Canton idea too, could be any of them though.
Guess we'll have to keep watching to find out and see if Abomination's right!
Edit: neel, if I could 'Like' that post I would. If you're right it would be a cruel 'playful joke'! I do hope it is significant though.
Originally Posted by NineLives:
“Edit: neel, if I could 'Like' that post I would. If you're right it would be a cruel 'playful joke'! I do hope it is significant though.”
“Edit: neel, if I could 'Like' that post I would. If you're right it would be a cruel 'playful joke'! I do hope it is significant though.”
I think the idea of the writers giving us stuff to get all excited about is quite sweet
The more i look at the image, I don't think its a production error, the figure is standing in a sort of semi concealed "I'm watching this in a stealthy manner" type way. Not in a "i'm a member of the production team and holding a boom mike" type way.
Originally Posted by neel:
“I think the idea of the writers giving us stuff to get all excited about is quite sweet
The more i look at the image, I don't think its a production error, the figure is standing in a sort of semi concealed "I'm watching this in a stealthy manner" type way. Not in a "i'm a member of the production team and holding a boom mike" type way.”
“I think the idea of the writers giving us stuff to get all excited about is quite sweet
The more i look at the image, I don't think its a production error, the figure is standing in a sort of semi concealed "I'm watching this in a stealthy manner" type way. Not in a "i'm a member of the production team and holding a boom mike" type way.”
Sweet to know they like to play around with the people who look deeply into the little things?! I suppose :P
Haha - love your thinking.
If he/she is a member of the production team, I would be questioning what they were even doing standing there without said boom mike or anything else in their hands (from what we can see). So yeh.. Personally I think it's relatively safe to say it is possible/likely to be a person of significance.
Originally Posted by NineLives:
“Sweet to know they like to play around with the people who look deeply into the little things?! I suppose :P
Haha - love your thinking.
If he/she is a member of the production team, I would be questioning what they were even doing standing there without said boom mike or anything else in their hands (from what we can see). So yeh.. Personally I think it's relatively safe to say it is possible/likely to be a person of significance.”
“Sweet to know they like to play around with the people who look deeply into the little things?! I suppose :P
Haha - love your thinking.
If he/she is a member of the production team, I would be questioning what they were even doing standing there without said boom mike or anything else in their hands (from what we can see). So yeh.. Personally I think it's relatively safe to say it is possible/likely to be a person of significance.”
Yeh, half the fun of Dr Who is all the speculation and such.
One word of caution, the infamous Rory name badge was nothing and at the time I remember thinking "there is no way that such an obvious error would be there framed in such a deliberate looking way".
But it was.
Sadly I missed the 'infamous Rory name badge', I'll search it and catch up on it :P
Perhaps it is another "obvious error" in a "deliberately looking way" as you say... Though now I'm really determined for it not to be, even though it'll be embarrassing if it's wrong.
Perhaps it is another "obvious error" in a "deliberately looking way" as you say... Though now I'm really determined for it not to be, even though it'll be embarrassing if it's wrong.
Slightly off topic, but when touring the US I drove my car onto that beach at Lake Powell, it got stuck in the deep sand.....
Anyhow, back on track, that figure by the shed looks like crew to me but it's a bit odd for sure.
Anyhow, back on track, that figure by the shed looks like crew to me but it's a bit odd for sure.
The whole Beach hut is concerning me now I'm thinking about it. Seems a strange place for it, and it's definitely been placed in a position of high prominence.
Possibility could exist that
I guess?
Possibility could exist that
Spoiler
Originally Posted by neel:
“3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.”
“3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.”
I like to think Moffat and the cast/crew sit and read these forums inbetween takes and shots and episodes and say to themselves 'Hm, right, okay, how can we mess with their heads completely. Lets mess with Rorys badge a bit, that'll be fun. Oh Matt look, they've pointed out that you had your jacket on in one take and off in the next. Better write that into the script somehow. Oh look they've picked up on a crew member in the background, shall we have him throwing stones at Amy next episode so they think he's relevant'
Originally Posted by neel:
“I see 3 possible reasons.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.
2. Its somehow part of the plot, future version, someone we haven't met or such like.
3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.
The first two episodes were full of references to conspiracy lore, some more obvious than others. There are very obvious ones like nods to Area 51, Moon landing theories, Men in black, Mr Watergate Richard Nixon (note the "tape everything that happens in this room, of course he did IRL and so on and sort of meta references like the rather brilliant scene where an FBI agent turns up at a creepy location with a red head companion (one of a million nods to the X-files).
I think this might be a bit of a crumb to get internet types excited, this is a little TOO like the whole Kennedy assasination "who was the second shooter?" grassy knol lark.
I think this was deliverately put in to get us talking. If it was i take my hat off to the production team.”
“I see 3 possible reasons.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.
2. Its somehow part of the plot, future version, someone we haven't met or such like.
3. (The explanation that I suspect is right) Its a joke. Moffat and Co, knowing that people on this forum or others will pour over every scene looking for clues this is a rather brilliant playfulll joke.
The first two episodes were full of references to conspiracy lore, some more obvious than others. There are very obvious ones like nods to Area 51, Moon landing theories, Men in black, Mr Watergate Richard Nixon (note the "tape everything that happens in this room, of course he did IRL and so on and sort of meta references like the rather brilliant scene where an FBI agent turns up at a creepy location with a red head companion (one of a million nods to the X-files).
I think this might be a bit of a crumb to get internet types excited, this is a little TOO like the whole Kennedy assasination "who was the second shooter?" grassy knol lark.
I think this was deliverately put in to get us talking. If it was i take my hat off to the production team.”
1) I doubt the crew would be so careless as to make such a mistake.
2) I think much more likely than your other theories.
3) This is a serious program, sure it has comedic moments but having such a joke would be crass and in all honesty unproffessional.
Originally Posted by The Neutron Flo:
“The whole Beach hut is concerning me now I'm thinking about it. Seems a strange place for it, and it's definitely been placed in a position of high prominence.
Possibility could exist that
I guess?”
“The whole Beach hut is concerning me now I'm thinking about it. Seems a strange place for it, and it's definitely been placed in a position of high prominence.
Possibility could exist that
Spoiler
Spoiler
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Then when people rewatch this, we can all gape in awe at how clever it all is, just as we did with The Doc's jacket from Flesh and Stone
”
“Then when people rewatch this, we can all gape in awe at how clever it all is, just as we did with The Doc's jacket from Flesh and Stone
”
lol
Well-spotted whoever saw it first anyway.
You're all forgetting what time of year it is.....
It was obviously JC, and he's seriously pissed about the doctor ripping off his "back from the dead" schtick.
It was obviously JC, and he's seriously pissed about the doctor ripping off his "back from the dead" schtick.
Originally Posted by englishmuffin:
“I like to think Moffat and the cast/crew sit and read these forums inbetween takes and shots and episodes and say to themselves 'Hm, right, okay, how can we mess with their heads completely. Lets mess with Rorys badge a bit, that'll be fun. Oh Matt look, they've pointed out that you had your jacket on in one take and off in the next. Better write that into the script somehow. Oh look they've picked up on a crew member in the background, shall we have him throwing stones at Amy next episode so they think he's relevant'”
“I like to think Moffat and the cast/crew sit and read these forums inbetween takes and shots and episodes and say to themselves 'Hm, right, okay, how can we mess with their heads completely. Lets mess with Rorys badge a bit, that'll be fun. Oh Matt look, they've pointed out that you had your jacket on in one take and off in the next. Better write that into the script somehow. Oh look they've picked up on a crew member in the background, shall we have him throwing stones at Amy next episode so they think he's relevant'”
That would be fun if there were time to do it that way... but it would only have been possible in the B&W era when they shot them just a few days ahead of airing.
Originally Posted by grizzlyvamp:
“1) I doubt the crew would be so careless as to make such a mistake.
2) I think much more likely than your other theories.
3) This is a serious program, sure it has comedic moments but having such a joke would be crass and in all honesty unproffessional.”
“1) I doubt the crew would be so careless as to make such a mistake.
2) I think much more likely than your other theories.
3) This is a serious program, sure it has comedic moments but having such a joke would be crass and in all honesty unproffessional.”
You mean like the production team didn't make that mistake with Rory's name badge that everyone went a bit nuts over last year?
Also, you think it would be crass and unproffessional? Its not like they are lawyers drafting a contract and making the first letter of every line spell "boobs".
Its a couple of frames in a saturday tv show, and possibly the writers/producers having a bit of a chuckle with/at the expense of some of the shows more "observant" fans.
Or its part of the plot.
Who knows, I think you might be taking it a bit seriously though
Originally Posted by englishmuffin:
“I like to think Moffat and the cast/crew sit and read these forums inbetween takes and shots and episodes and say to themselves 'Hm, right, okay, how can we mess with their heads completely. Lets mess with Rorys badge a bit, that'll be fun. Oh Matt look, they've pointed out that you had your jacket on in one take and off in the next. Better write that into the script somehow. Oh look they've picked up on a crew member in the background, shall we have him throwing stones at Amy next episode so they think he's relevant'”
“I like to think Moffat and the cast/crew sit and read these forums inbetween takes and shots and episodes and say to themselves 'Hm, right, okay, how can we mess with their heads completely. Lets mess with Rorys badge a bit, that'll be fun. Oh Matt look, they've pointed out that you had your jacket on in one take and off in the next. Better write that into the script somehow. Oh look they've picked up on a crew member in the background, shall we have him throwing stones at Amy next episode so they think he's relevant'”
If I were making a TV show that had a fan base as obsessive as Dr Who I would find it almost impossible not to leave the odd joke/red herring/clue for people watching really really closely.
I wonder? Regarding the 'ahem' Final Death of the Doctor by the Lake's Shore? What if it's part of the apparent 'plot' seen in the second episode to fool the silence as the 'killings' of Amy and Rory were? Bear with me on this one but my theory is thus;
I wonder if the Future (later killed) Doc'? Believes the only way he can completely fool the Silence? Is by them seeing the deaths in person of Him, River and Rory one by one so that they believe all 3 are then dead and then? His younger self can work towards defeating the Silence, destroying their Earthly empire and throwing them off the Planet entirely without them knowing he's still around? Basically, no Silence sees him (the Younger him after this) around the Diner when he reappears or at all actually until he attacks them towards the end of DOTM after this scene do they? The Silence are clearly present at his death but later? They virtually ignore his younger self who is of course still there - Hovering in the background and working against the Silence the whole time. What then if that was of the Doctor's design all along. I mean, what if the 'watcher' was someone from the US Government as with the later 'killings' of Amy and Rory to convince the Silence that yes that was the Doctor and yes he is most certainly dead in Old Man Canton's words (what if they were for the benefit and hearing of the Silence to). That then would indicate the (Future) Doc' knew exactly all what would happen, set all of this up to happen in the way it did to throw the Silence off his younger self's trail in his war against them and that the 'regeneration shooting' to destroy him as he regenerated? Whilst a very drastic measure to take? Was still nonetheless? Just that - Little more than a tactic used against the Silence - To make them think that the older Doctor? Was the only dangerous one out of the two against them and that he? Was now gone.....
Of course that would mean that somehow (IMO Via the Spacesuit with so many different forms of Alien Technology in it?) That maybe something (someone?) somehow captured that aborted regeneration for the use of the Doctor to later somehow restore himself and I presume he staged it like that for the Silence (seeing him killed while regenerating and his body destroyed afterwards) as they most certainly are aware of his 'regeneration' properties. On another note? I wonder if the Future Doctor needs the young River/child to either kill him or get in the spacesuit at some point (i.e. he puts her in there or arranges it somehow) as she -if she's who I think she is? Has something 'TimeLordish' about her (possibly from Amy's Bedroom Wall Crack and thus Amy?) and thus is the only type of lifeform that the suit will definitely work for in keeping the Regeneration for the Doctor to use later? Who knows?
As other posters have suggested in more than one area of this forum? I've no doubt at all that we'll find out the answers to this particular question in the future - Equally no doubt with a big 'flashback' scene to said 'watcher' by the lake and yes I do think it was deliberate - Whilst essentially logical and structured (if you work him out) in most of his storytelling? Moffat is still a sly old dog when it comes to hidden extras and nothing written by him for screen? Contains events that happen by chance, certainly not in Who since he took over...............
NB: Just so you know? None of what I'm writing here is confirmed - It's my views so it's not Spoilers as such; Anyway that theory above of mine re the 'Watcher'? Would of course, leave a fair few more questions than answers (again). But IMO? It is the most logical possible approach to why someone watched the whole 'Murder and Viking Sea Death Ceremony of the Doctor' drama at the start from a (safely unnoticed) distance and as I have stated elsewhere within these August & Distinguished Forums ()? I believe the key to working out what Moffat is planning? Is using logic and structure - Yes he will spring lots of surprises and reveal a fair few hidden bits/goodies dating back over his series to explain missing areas and cover up loose ends but in the end? He is a very structured writer and if one thing is his weakness in hiding plots? It is that. Therefore Logically? I have come to the best conclusion I can re' what might happen soon and about the 'watcher' by the lake. Hope it's not to wrong mind!!! Though knowing my luck it will be......
NNB: Re' the other questions? I still think that River is the daughter of someone very close to the Doctor (Amy?). What however, she is not? Is the Doctor himself in a future guise or his own daughter.
NNNB: Further? I wonder if the Doctor knows exactly who the mysterious Child is; I wonder to if he then feels guilty about everything he's put Amy/The Child through in that he keeps being given the chance to find out who the girl is and then? Charges off in the completely opposite direction on various other adventures; You're going to have to face her sometime 11 you do know that and Who knows? When she finds you or you her? She might just be angry enough to do something very stupid - Shoot you maybe? You never know with children - They can be a highly tempremental and very angry little bunch; Especially ones that believe they're being ignored or worse? Have been wound up deliberately - Then again further on this? We never did see the younger Doctor at the Lake did we? Wonder where he was while all that 'Death of the Doctor' chaos was going on. Keeping warm in a Spacesuit maybe or taking some water on to hydrate himself? Maybe even both? Stranger things have happened no? And something like that (any of it) is of course? Typical Moffat...........:yawn:
NNNNB On the other questions? I believe the man River kills? Is Rory - Which would be interesting given who I think she is and how that relates to him. A shorthand view of all I've just written would be then that? I believe River is Amy's & Rory's daughter Not the Doctors. That at some point in her life? River will kill a 'hero to many' - Him being either the Doctor or Rory - I thought Rory at first but what if it's the Future Doctor who (future and present?) has thus far completely ignored and actively avoided a certain young girl, maybe even directed her into great trouble? Then again a young 'un like her? Might just really lose it with her dad once to often and do something she really regrets later - It wouldn't be the first time no?
To conclude - whoever kills him and why? I personally believe The future Doctor has set all of this up to blindside the Silence to his younger self + Companions just long enough for their 'revolution' to work - Clever way of doing it to - Using a Silence's own post-hypnotic 'forget' suggestion against them by bending it around to order any human to kill them whenever they meet ensures their execution whenever they're found on Earth in future - No matter what. I also think that Future Doc' (and his younger self) know exactly who and what the Child is and are ignoring her either out of personal fear of finding her or as part of a deliberate design to wind her up enough to shoot the future Doctor. Finally - I think that in the spacesuit coming out of the lake to kill the Doctor? Is either a very young River Song or? The younger Doctor himself and that just because this final death has occurred in public? (Or precisely because of that?) Doesn't mean it is necessarily final if you know what I mean?..................
I wonder if the Future (later killed) Doc'? Believes the only way he can completely fool the Silence? Is by them seeing the deaths in person of Him, River and Rory one by one so that they believe all 3 are then dead and then? His younger self can work towards defeating the Silence, destroying their Earthly empire and throwing them off the Planet entirely without them knowing he's still around? Basically, no Silence sees him (the Younger him after this) around the Diner when he reappears or at all actually until he attacks them towards the end of DOTM after this scene do they? The Silence are clearly present at his death but later? They virtually ignore his younger self who is of course still there - Hovering in the background and working against the Silence the whole time. What then if that was of the Doctor's design all along. I mean, what if the 'watcher' was someone from the US Government as with the later 'killings' of Amy and Rory to convince the Silence that yes that was the Doctor and yes he is most certainly dead in Old Man Canton's words (what if they were for the benefit and hearing of the Silence to). That then would indicate the (Future) Doc' knew exactly all what would happen, set all of this up to happen in the way it did to throw the Silence off his younger self's trail in his war against them and that the 'regeneration shooting' to destroy him as he regenerated? Whilst a very drastic measure to take? Was still nonetheless? Just that - Little more than a tactic used against the Silence - To make them think that the older Doctor? Was the only dangerous one out of the two against them and that he? Was now gone.....
Of course that would mean that somehow (IMO Via the Spacesuit with so many different forms of Alien Technology in it?) That maybe something (someone?) somehow captured that aborted regeneration for the use of the Doctor to later somehow restore himself and I presume he staged it like that for the Silence (seeing him killed while regenerating and his body destroyed afterwards) as they most certainly are aware of his 'regeneration' properties. On another note? I wonder if the Future Doctor needs the young River/child to either kill him or get in the spacesuit at some point (i.e. he puts her in there or arranges it somehow) as she -if she's who I think she is? Has something 'TimeLordish' about her (possibly from Amy's Bedroom Wall Crack and thus Amy?) and thus is the only type of lifeform that the suit will definitely work for in keeping the Regeneration for the Doctor to use later? Who knows?
As other posters have suggested in more than one area of this forum? I've no doubt at all that we'll find out the answers to this particular question in the future - Equally no doubt with a big 'flashback' scene to said 'watcher' by the lake and yes I do think it was deliberate - Whilst essentially logical and structured (if you work him out) in most of his storytelling? Moffat is still a sly old dog when it comes to hidden extras and nothing written by him for screen? Contains events that happen by chance, certainly not in Who since he took over...............NB: Just so you know? None of what I'm writing here is confirmed - It's my views so it's not Spoilers as such; Anyway that theory above of mine re the 'Watcher'? Would of course, leave a fair few more questions than answers (again). But IMO? It is the most logical possible approach to why someone watched the whole 'Murder and Viking Sea Death Ceremony of the Doctor' drama at the start from a (safely unnoticed) distance and as I have stated elsewhere within these August & Distinguished Forums (
)? I believe the key to working out what Moffat is planning? Is using logic and structure - Yes he will spring lots of surprises and reveal a fair few hidden bits/goodies dating back over his series to explain missing areas and cover up loose ends but in the end? He is a very structured writer and if one thing is his weakness in hiding plots? It is that. Therefore Logically? I have come to the best conclusion I can re' what might happen soon and about the 'watcher' by the lake. Hope it's not to wrong mind!!! Though knowing my luck it will be......NNB: Re' the other questions? I still think that River is the daughter of someone very close to the Doctor (Amy?). What however, she is not? Is the Doctor himself in a future guise or his own daughter.
NNNB: Further? I wonder if the Doctor knows exactly who the mysterious Child is; I wonder to if he then feels guilty about everything he's put Amy/The Child through in that he keeps being given the chance to find out who the girl is and then? Charges off in the completely opposite direction on various other adventures; You're going to have to face her sometime 11 you do know that and Who knows? When she finds you or you her? She might just be angry enough to do something very stupid - Shoot you maybe? You never know with children - They can be a highly tempremental and very angry little bunch; Especially ones that believe they're being ignored or worse? Have been wound up deliberately - Then again further on this? We never did see the younger Doctor at the Lake did we? Wonder where he was while all that 'Death of the Doctor' chaos was going on. Keeping warm in a Spacesuit maybe or taking some water on to hydrate himself? Maybe even both? Stranger things have happened no? And something like that (any of it) is of course? Typical Moffat...........:yawn:
NNNNB On the other questions? I believe the man River kills? Is Rory - Which would be interesting given who I think she is and how that relates to him. A shorthand view of all I've just written would be then that? I believe River is Amy's & Rory's daughter Not the Doctors. That at some point in her life? River will kill a 'hero to many' - Him being either the Doctor or Rory - I thought Rory at first but what if it's the Future Doctor who (future and present?) has thus far completely ignored and actively avoided a certain young girl, maybe even directed her into great trouble? Then again a young 'un like her? Might just really lose it with her dad once to often and do something she really regrets later - It wouldn't be the first time no?
To conclude - whoever kills him and why? I personally believe The future Doctor has set all of this up to blindside the Silence to his younger self + Companions just long enough for their 'revolution' to work - Clever way of doing it to - Using a Silence's own post-hypnotic 'forget' suggestion against them by bending it around to order any human to kill them whenever they meet ensures their execution whenever they're found on Earth in future - No matter what. I also think that Future Doc' (and his younger self) know exactly who and what the Child is and are ignoring her either out of personal fear of finding her or as part of a deliberate design to wind her up enough to shoot the future Doctor. Finally - I think that in the spacesuit coming out of the lake to kill the Doctor? Is either a very young River Song or? The younger Doctor himself and that just because this final death has occurred in public? (Or precisely because of that?) Doesn't mean it is necessarily final if you know what I mean?..................
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“lol
Well-spotted whoever saw it first anyway.”
“lol
Well-spotted whoever saw it first anyway.”
It was some guy over at the Tardis Index Files. If you mean the Dr's jacket.
Sorry if its been mentioned. Could it be the present Dr. Obviously the future Dr is being shot but could the future be the present day one?
Originally Posted by jonnyos:
“When you watch the scene, the 'figure' moves from arm down, to arm up to possibly crouched on the floor.
I like the theory that it's a young canton, overlooking the astronaut, possibly being the doctor himself.”
“When you watch the scene, the 'figure' moves from arm down, to arm up to possibly crouched on the floor.
I like the theory that it's a young canton, overlooking the astronaut, possibly being the doctor himself.”
Indeed. When you watch the scene and just concentrate on the figure, you can clear see various movements as if the figure is talking to someone else.
I'm well prepared for it to be a cool reveal in a future episode, but something about the movements just tells me that its a member of the production crew talking to another crew member.
@ those saying it can't be a crew member because they don't have a boom or whatever. There are tons of people on a filming crew. It could simply be a runner or assistant told to hide behind the shack out of shot, but he didn't hide well enough and no-one noticed.
I do also like the idea of it being a little joke by Moffat and the team though. I think he's been doing a lot of that! To me, a lot of the stuff we've been debating in some of these threads is quite clearly little teasers by Moffat knowing damn well they will be debating as major clues by us fans (don't get me wrong. Some probably are major clues, but I'm also convinced there are lots of deliberate red herrings too!)
Originally Posted by neel:
“I see 3 possible reasons.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.”
“I see 3 possible reasons.
1. Production error. I'd like to think thats impossible but you never know. Remember all the chat about Rory's badge last year, i'm pretty certain that wasn't actually relevant and looks likely to have been an error, despite plenty me included thinking it was somehow relevant.”
Rory's badge was issued 1990, which would make him 21 if he was born in 1969.....
Could Rory be his own father?
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