Afternoon everyone

Skipped through the thread that I have missed for today. I guess still nothing from John. I really feel sorry for Josie as she is really hurt. I cannot get my head round the fact that the john I saw in BB and from recent interviews in mags etc how he can be this bad to Josie. I know they have split but I really thought that he had some feelings for her and he would not treat her like he seems to have. I feel she would like a bit of closure and this is not going to happen. I like John but I feel he is not acting like the person I saw in the house, I know it is real life now but I though he was more of a gentleman than this. We have not heard his side of the story so maybe Josie did something really bad that he cannto forgive her but at the moment I feel more sorry for her than him.

I see he has parted company with Sean so I feel he is hear to tie up loose ends and then go back to Australia for good but why come back now just as the series is going to air, I do not understand this either.

Maybe in time they can talk to each other but I think things have gone too far for this and I feel really sad that this lovely relationship ended this way.

[quote=JJJ_finland;49887541]It's all because we care.....


I won't go totally off on either, I haven't this far. They have both said and done things I don't agree during this time and even their time together, but doesn't mean I'll totally go off on the other

It doesn't mean I am overlooking some of the bad that one or the other does, but I just won't with the snap of my finger be able to stop supporting them.[/QUOTE]

I agree with all of this. That's what I don't get. No one is perfect. Neither of them are, and none of us are. I care about them both and even if they do something I don't agree with, I'm not going to stop liking them. Will I be disappointed, of course. But I still like and appreciate them both.

Maybe he did have the intention of seeing Josie at some point. Even if just to clear the air. But has decided against it after yesterday's Twitter drama.

Thats what i think too. If he doesn't want the attention and the reminders of josie i.e the show he has picked the worst time to come over!

I normally just keep to lurking on this thread and not read to much into anything, these past few days i started involving myself more, and i realsied how much more fun it is.... but jeeeeeeez everyones opinions really mess up my head i have no idea what to think anymore, as i tend to agreee to with most people opinion, i end up on a high one minuite after reading a positive post then on a low when talking about closure. It seems this is what is happening. Then i realised no one knows what is really happening 'we have no idea' as JJJ continuosly quoted.
So until i am given the truth by both John and Josie - which will probably come after the series, i am not going to over think the situation anymore.

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Maybe but I feel she would finally have closure if she saw him face to face. I feel for her just now

Swimming in the same ocean, Finland.

Agree why come just as the show is about to air, I really cannot work him out unless he is going to tell his side of the story, but again that would surprise me but what he has done recently nothing he does now would surprise me

It's definitely weird why he's chosen now to come over. You say "what he has done recently", I'm not really sure what you mean. Apart from a few cryptic tweets, the last couple of weeks he's basically done nothing apart from a few comments about FIFA and McDonalds.

Hi ya, yeah thats normal its because its starting to scab over once that comes off it will be ok. I find it all strange really, if he was just over here if indeed he is just to tie up loose ends regarding his car etc he could of done that from oz if he was giving it to JJ he could od done that by internet or post, if it was to see Sean to seal his release that could of been done other ways. I believe if he is here its to do with the Series.

I really feel for Josie at the mo hope she is not on her own to deal with what she must be feeling, and I hope people have stopped the sending of pics of supposed gf as I think that is awful. If this is the end of us knowing anything about John then all we can do is wish him well and hope he is happy, will be honest my main concerns are for Josie and I hope she can finally move on and make a life for herself.

The Roller coaster is still going and we are still holding on who knows FATE bought them together maybe it will intervene again.xx

hope noone minds if i join in.i've been "lurking" for a few weeks now & have now finally plucked up the courage to join in.
i dont know if this is usual, but i hope it's ok if i give a bit of background of why i love josie and john james.
i, like many others, saw the chemistry very early on in BB. i didnt have live feed, but would spend many a night on my sofa, just dozing in case i missed anything!! i was more tired than when i was getting up with newborn babies!!!
i loved them because, it wasn't the stereotypical pairing. many people wouldn't believe that someone as handsome as john, could ever fancy someone like josie, your average size16 girl!! even though she was just as attractive as he was. i had many "disagreements"with friends who just wouldn't have it.
since then, i've scoured dailymotion everyday for new clips, slowly building up my favs list.
when the break was announced, i was literally beside myself!! i felt like i had been broken up with, yet was unable to talk about it with anyone, as then they would know about my jjj obsession!! the only person who knew a little, was my mums & that was just because, when she asked me about them, i couldn't hide my distress.
i have never lost faith, even when there was all the veiled tweets from both. but after yesterday, i'm totally in bits!!! i know none of the info received is 100%, but i was in a total state of anxiety allday, with noone to really talk about it to. thats probably why i've decided to join you guys.
while i've been reading all your post, i can tell that you are all kind, generous people who love john & josie equally as i do still.
my opinion on all this latest business is that, maybe josie found out he was coming over to stay with turtles relatives & as there just happens to be a cousin who is of similar age, i think she may have added 2+2 & come up with 5! i'm sure many people in her position who've been in a break up instantly think worse case scenario. & knowing how insecure she is, it probably clouds her judgements.

has johnjames got a girlfriend??? i honestly don't know. my gut instinct says not. i think he's come over maybe to clear things up with sean.he's staying in leicester, alledgedly, maybe because he wanted to keep a low profile for now, & that would have been harder if staying at a hotel in london, he probably thought less chance of being noticed.
josie did say in her last ok! interview that she would probably be the last to know if he ever came back.

i hope noones fell asleep reading all that, but i just felt i had to get 5weeks of stomach churning out there & with no other outlet other than twitter, well cant let out all these emotions in 140 characters!!! lol

Another idea is he wants to be the baddie so people have sympathy for josie. Is he doing this so people dislike him and like josie is this like his parting gift to her . Its stupid bt didnt some people think he did the same thing in BB when he found out him and Josie were favourites to allow her to win. Its far fetched but who knows how his mind works The likelyhood is the above is rubbish and he just now hates her

Thinking about it now, maybe John thought it was better to come now, when the first show is airing and it won't be too bad, rather than after the last show and breakup were shown? He may think things coudl be a lot worse for him in the UK after that airs? So he's going to settle his matters and run?

Or who knows, maybe he's back for good? Or doing Fosters adverts? Or for his new girlfriend? Or all of the above? lol

I had a similar thought yesterday. I thought he might have planned to carry on the 'Sunshine' joke and say he was coming over to see Sunshine (who lives in Leicester too). But of course she is in LA so maybe sexy turtle suggested he could pretend that the cousin STC is his girlfriend and he was coming over to see her. Maybe he knows her as a friend anyway and the 'girlfriend' bit was just for Josie's benefit.

If this somewhat wierd scenario should turn out to be true, I do hope they asked her first. Even if they did, I bet she's regretting it now!

Me neither but then he has been so quiet i doon't know what to think lol. I really don't think he has another girlfriend but if he does then so be it. I wouldn't trust mr marky at all tho, remember when he came out with the sam dean story and how sean was in on it?! Surely josie wouldn't still want him as his agent if this was true?

I really do feel for Josie as well, dont know whats the matter with me but I cant help thinking about her and the pain she must be in, but she cant move forward until she has finished promoting this bliddy show.

I think John may have found his closure whilst back in Oz, and if that is the case he would have no reason to see Josie.

Need to catch up with this thread as daughter's just been round. But has anyone looked on Industry Music site to see if John is still there? Just a thought x

Wendy x

Hello pleased you decided to join us.

Let it all out - it makes you feel a bit better.

Hi guys, so after I logged off I heard some awful news that a family friend had died. He was only 19 and had been battling a brain tumour for a while. His doctor told him last week that there was nothing more they could do for him and he died this morning. It has certainly put this mess in perspective let me tell you. He was so young, had his whole life ahead of him, and in the last few months was undertaking the biggest fight of his life, yet he never once complained, got angry or blamed anyone else. How one approaches death with such courage I will never know. Yet here we have two people in their 20's and countless others of all ages putting blame everywhere.
Right so onto the sorry mess we find ourselves in today - I've had a look back through old magazine articles, and will use these to illustrate my points.

John James is he in the UK? I don't know, I would believe from what we have heard today that he is. As to having a new girlfriend, that one I'm not so sure about. The one thing I picked up on from Marcus' facebook message was that John wasn't here for Josie, nothing else. That could mean anything, to tie up loose ends, to sort out his car, to film the end of the series, to see his friends from the UK who he did rely on. There are so many possibilities and not a lot of answers.
Is it possible that John has gotten in touch with Josie and informed her of why he is here? I think it's fair to say he was pretty quick to get in touch just over a week ago over the facebook comments and set that record straight. The comments from ST and Margas are saying a lot on the surface, they are dismissing things, but actually telling us nothing, they are friends of John's after all, I wouldn't expect anything less of the friends of the master of the cryptic tweet.
I really don't know why he has deleted his facebook, maybe as was suggested last night somewhere in and amongst his friends someone has been leaking information, correct or incorrect out from his account. As for STC - it may not even be the fact that she has probably been receiving awful messages from JJJ fans, but that her private facebook has been posted all over the web. I know I'd be appalled if it was my personal facebook which people were putting all over twitter. She hasn't asked for this attention, we aren't even sure this is the correct girl, or if there is anything going on.
I find the suggestions that John never loved Josie to be far off the mark, the man only ever had love in his eyes for her, even in that advert. I mean he'd even pass up Jennifer Aniston, 'I'd rather have Josie Gibson.'(Star 30/8/10) Seriously though he loved her, and in my mind regardless of what has went on probably still does, 'She does my head in and I love her to bits. We argue because we care. We love each other completely.' (OK dated 4/1/11) Now is anyone telling me that a guy who said those words shortly before he went to Australia for Christmas and tweeted when he was there about how many days until he was coming home, had really met his next girlfriend and was about to begin the ending of the JJJ story? He openly discussed the idea of marriage with Josie, and whilst it has since come out that he didn't think she was 'wifey material,' I would seriously take that as a bit of banter, which Josie in her lonely and angry state has taken to heart. 'He told me recently that he wants to spend the rest of his life with me.' (Now dated 17/1/11) He was also open to the idea of Kids and a family life with Josie 'It's a dog or a child not all of the above...' (Fabulous dated 13/2/11) He has hardly changed his mind in that short a space of time, or prior to these interviews, why say it otherwise, after all John James himself says he NEVER lies.

Josie - In her own words 'I've definately been affected by things that have happened in the past.'(OK dated 28/9/10) I think to be honest this is the crux of Josie's character. She has been so badly hurt in the past that she does everything to protect herself, I'm going to use a line from a song I love here, she is 'the soul protector of a heart that’s been abused...' It's not that Josie doesn't love John imo it's that she's scared of showing how much she loves him, as that makes her vulnerable and open to pain and hurt.
How much more can the girl endure, she had an awful relationship when she was younger, and perhaps didn't have the confidence back then that she has now to stick up for herself. I know everyone has reacted differently to the abortion story coming out, but the one thing that struck me at the time was how scared she seemed from that period in her life, if someone was with me, I found out I was pregnant, I let that baby grow inside me for three months, bonded with it, looked forward to its birth and planning for the future, and was then told that my baby wasn't wanted by its own father, I think I would be as insecure as Josie is. The recent events can only have led to those old scars becoming open wounds again.
I'm aware Josie is no angel in all of this, she has handled some of this very badly, but that’s the Josie we love hot headed and strong willed. It is interesting in the Jordan/Peter Ok interview when asked about them she made the comment, 'if they were honest, the real person they are angry with is themselves.'(dated 29/3/11) Is this the case for Josie and John James too, that the reason she is so quick to react and fly off the handle is that she is angry that she contributed in as equal a measure as John did to where they are now? Or is it because he got under her skin like no-one else has?
I know this next quote was said jokingly, but I believe it to be true, 'Q) What was your biggest vice in the house? A) Jaffa cakes and John James.' IMO John is her ultimate vice, he is absolutely everything to her, and she has said herself she now feels like the loneliest person in the world, he was her world, just like she was his.
Josie has admitted to pushing John away, up until now I would have said that she would have taken him back in a second, 'I just really want this to work. I love my Johnny James.' (Ok dated 22/2/11) Now, I'm not sure her pride would allow her to. I think through all of the interviews she did last week she still held out that little bit of hope, but I think John coming back and the fact JJ has lied to her about something, imo probably the fact that John is back, will have been too much for her.
I think John is the only person ever to have come close to seeing the real Josie, and now he has gone her barriers are back up tenfold.
I know some have been critical of Kate Walsh and Charlie’s tweets this morning, but tbh I'm sure they are worried about her on at least three occasions we have all picked up on Josie not being herself on OKTV, both of these people will have spent a lot of time with her backstage in hair and makeup ect, and will probably have seen her struggling through this. I always try to keep in mind with Kate that she has been through all of this before, she was on the apprentice, didn't win but came second, her current relationship developed during this time, a relationship which did break up for a while too. So to be fair I think she is probably a very good friend for Josie to have right about now.

Publicity - When this first came out I found the posts on here insisting it was for publicity ect compelling reading, and did start to feel that way myself.
Sean's silence, but sudden reappearance on twitter last night even if it wasn't Josie and John James related was strange. It is possible that he was keeping an eye on things, seeing how his plans were unfolding.
The Wright Stuff this morning, strange that there was no promotion from Josie, Sean or the TSAJ twitter pages. It all seems a bit last minute, we all heard late last night, and Matthew Wright was far from prepared as regards to chatting about it this morning, but that could all be a coincidence.
The claims of an OK interview have been denied by Josie, and I am going to take her word on that, she may have done an interview who knows, but I don't think it will be selling 'John James' lies' as has been claimed.
Luke's interview worries me a little, it has probably been planned for ages, but the fact that it comes today when she is probably totally confused, and that she does tweet with Luke from time to time in a friendly way, may mean she will let her guard down and chat to him as a mate, not an interviewer, time will tell.
One thing that does sit uncomfortably with me is the suggestion that either of them are aware of this, and that it is a publicity stunt. I just cannot imagine either of them to be capable of that, and refuse to believe it of them. I would believe that those surrounding them may be manipulating the situation for ratings sake ect, but not the two individuals at the centre of all this.

The Future - who knows, my name isn't mystic meg and I don't have a crystal ball. I will be curious to see what the psychic at Josie's party had to say though, that is if they show it on Monday night. The one thing I hate in all of this is that their friendship, the one that drew us in, seems to have all but disappeared. John James: 'We always said we'd be good to eachother and stay friends whatever happens.'(Star dated 30/8/10) I only wish they would both remember these words.

There you go all my thoughts laied out. Thanks to anyone who has read them to the end, I'm sure it's all just one big ramble.
I still believe in Josie and John James, so will hold onto the rollercoaster a little longer, but I'm going to be playing Pas' game of ignore the obvious from now on. I can't deal with the speculation and rumors. I just wish they would all wake up, and show even half the courage and dignity that the young man I mentioned at the start of my post did, what they are going through isn't half as awful as what he battled so bravely through. I just hope everyone concerned finds some sort of peace. xxx

Hiya! I'm glad you decided to join us all. By your post it def sounds like you are in the right place

I don't think we have any proof that the John we saw in the house is different to the one we see now. If, as it appears, John doesn't want to meet Josie, he must have a good reason for it. We don't know what went on between them and why he might feel like that.

I've got a good idea why don't they get in touch and meet up.

Agreed i cant get her out of my mind it seems all her life she hassuffered rejection and hurt she seems such a good person but also so very damaged and insecure.

What I mean is that if he is in the uk I really would have thought that he would have spoke to Josie to finally have closure, I may have worded it wrong but I know they have split but I felt that if he did have some feelings for Josie he would have spoke to her because she is really hurting I feel. Sorry for confusing you