The John James & Josie Appreciation Thread (Part 172)

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ferfer

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“I don't think we have any proof that the John we saw in the house is different to the one we see now. If, as it appears, John doesn't want to meet Josie, he must have a good reason for it. We don't know what went on between them and why he might feel like that.”

Or, he doesn't have a good reason and just doesn't want to see her again.

JJJ lover

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by Wendilums:
“Need to catch up with this thread as daughter's just been round. But has anyone looked on Industry Music site to see if John is still there? Just a thought x

Wendy x”

When you click on the link on JJ's twitter it still states "DJin Duo"

If they are still going to do this - they will get more gigs if they are both single - I would think.

TX_Babs

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by JJJ_finland:
“It's all because we care.....

And I'm sure that when and if we ever will learn more about this and whatever really went on, there will most certainly be more sidetaking and depending on what truly is the truth some might flee to JJAT or JAT.

If this turns out to be a total scam and untrue, then yeah I will be dissapointed in Josie if she's been feeding this to Marky
If this turns out to be true, then yeah I will be dissapointed in John. Not because he's not allowed to move on, but I'll be surprised that it was so quick and because of some of the things he said when he first left.

I won't go totally off on either, I haven't this far. They have both said and done things I don't agree during this time and even their time together, but doesn't mean I'll totally go off on the other

It doesn't mean I am overlooking some of the bad that one or the other does, but I just won't with the snap of my finger be able to stop supporting them.”

I agree Finland....It's all because we care.....

It would be very, very hard for me to stop supporting either of them.

I can't always agree with all of their decisions and actions, they are bound to have some mis-steps and bad behavior; they have in the past and they will in the future.

There are probably going to be some things that are hard to hear about, but I will try to be a grownup and accept that this is their lives.

They are both complex, interesting, charismatic, flawed individuals and there will be alot more to their stories.

I ♥ Johnny James
I ♥ Josie
I ♥ JJJAT

Barbara ♥

dollydaydream81

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by lilywhite52:
“Hi ya, yeah thats normal its because its starting to scab over once that comes off it will be ok. I find it all strange really, if he was just over here if indeed he is just to tie up loose ends regarding his car etc he could of done that from oz if he was giving it to JJ he could od done that by internet or post, if it was to see Sean to seal his release that could of been done other ways. I believe if he is here its to do with the Series.

I really feel for Josie at the mo hope she is not on her own to deal with what she must be feeling, and I hope people have stopped the sending of pics of supposed gf as I think that is awful. If this is the end of us knowing anything about John then all we can do is wish him well and hope he is happy, will be honest my main concerns are for Josie and I hope she can finally move on and make a life for herself.

The Roller coaster is still going and we are still holding on who knows FATE bought them together maybe it will intervene again.xx”

I actually love you

. I agree. I think it's all a bit confusing. I really feel for josie and hope her old friends from Bristol are rallying round. I don't know what to think about johncos at the moment everything is 'rumours' from 'sources'. If he had met someone else or was building a relationship with someone else why would he bother retweeting josies tweets etc? He was clearly upset when she said she would rather eat her toenails or wtte. Now way in the space of three weeks he has decided to come back to the u.k to start a relationship. I think some people just get under your skin and i think even in years to come there will still be a pull between josie and john x

Mrs Nicky Wire

06-05-2011

Afternoon everyone

I've got a few pages to catch up on but can I ask how do we know they aren't going to meet up? Sorry if it's already been talked about.

lilywhite52

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by noseygirl:
“Another idea is he wants to be the baddie so people have sympathy for josie. Is he doing this so people dislike him and like josie is this like his parting gift to her . Its stupid bt didnt some people think he did the same thing in BB when he found out him and Josie were favourites to allow her to win. Its far fetched but who knows how his mind works The likelyhood is the above is rubbish and he just now hates her ”

Sorry but he hates her, no way John may be the most confusing man ever but he dont hate her I cant even begin to think that he does.x

noseygirl

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by Cassy990:
“Hi guys, so after I logged off I heard some awful news that a family friend had died. He was only 19 and had been battling a brain tumour for a while. His doctor told him last week that there was nothing more they could do for him and he died this morning. It has certainly put this mess in perspective let me tell you. He was so young, had his whole life ahead of him, and in the last few months was undertaking the biggest fight of his life, yet he never once complained, got angry or blamed anyone else. How one approaches death with such courage I will never know. Yet here we have two people in their 20's and countless others of all ages putting blame everywhere.
Right so onto the sorry mess we find ourselves in today - I've had a look back through old magazine articles, and will use these to illustrate my points.

John James is he in the UK? I don't know, I would believe from what we have heard today that he is. As to having a new girlfriend, that one I'm not so sure about. The one thing I picked up on from Marcus' facebook message was that John wasn't here for Josie, nothing else. That could mean anything, to tie up loose ends, to sort out his car, to film the end of the series, to see his friends from the UK who he did rely on. There are so many possibilities and not a lot of answers.
Is it possible that John has gotten in touch with Josie and informed her of why he is here? I think it's fair to say he was pretty quick to get in touch just over a week ago over the facebook comments and set that record straight. The comments from ST and Margas are saying a lot on the surface, they are dismissing things, but actually telling us nothing, they are friends of John's after all, I wouldn't expect anything less of the friends of the master of the cryptic tweet.
I really don't know why he has deleted his facebook, maybe as was suggested last night somewhere in and amongst his friends someone has been leaking information, correct or incorrect out from his account. As for STC - it may not even be the fact that she has probably been receiving awful messages from JJJ fans, but that her private facebook has been posted all over the web. I know I'd be appalled if it was my personal facebook which people were putting all over twitter. She hasn't asked for this attention, we aren't even sure this is the correct girl, or if there is anything going on.
I find the suggestions that John never loved Josie to be far off the mark, the man only ever had love in his eyes for her, even in that advert. I mean he'd even pass up Jennifer Aniston, 'I'd rather have Josie Gibson.'(Star 30/8/10) Seriously though he loved her, and in my mind regardless of what has went on probably still does, 'She does my head in and I love her to bits. We argue because we care. We love each other completely.' (OK dated 4/1/11) Now is anyone telling me that a guy who said those words shortly before he went to Australia for Christmas and tweeted when he was there about how many days until he was coming home, had really met his next girlfriend and was about to begin the ending of the JJJ story? He openly discussed the idea of marriage with Josie, and whilst it has since come out that he didn't think she was 'wifey material,' I would seriously take that as a bit of banter, which Josie in her lonely and angry state has taken to heart. 'He told me recently that he wants to spend the rest of his life with me.' (Now dated 17/1/11) He was also open to the idea of Kids and a family life with Josie 'It's a dog or a child not all of the above...' (Fabulous dated 13/2/11) He has hardly changed his mind in that short a space of time, or prior to these interviews, why say it otherwise, after all John James himself says he NEVER lies.

Josie - In her own words 'I've definately been affected by things that have happened in the past.'(OK dated 28/9/10) I think to be honest this is the crux of Josie's character. She has been so badly hurt in the past that she does everything to protect herself, I'm going to use a line from a song I love here, she is 'the soul protector of a heart that’s been abused...' It's not that Josie doesn't love John imo it's that she's scared of showing how much she loves him, as that makes her vulnerable and open to pain and hurt.
How much more can the girl endure, she had an awful relationship when she was younger, and perhaps didn't have the confidence back then that she has now to stick up for herself. I know everyone has reacted differently to the abortion story coming out, but the one thing that struck me at the time was how scared she seemed from that period in her life, if someone was with me, I found out I was pregnant, I let that baby grow inside me for three months, bonded with it, looked forward to its birth and planning for the future, and was then told that my baby wasn't wanted by its own father, I think I would be as insecure as Josie is. The recent events can only have led to those old scars becoming open wounds again.
I'm aware Josie is no angel in all of this, she has handled some of this very badly, but that’s the Josie we love hot headed and strong willed. It is interesting in the Jordan/Peter Ok interview when asked about them she made the comment, 'if they were honest, the real person they are angry with is themselves.'(dated 29/3/11) Is this the case for Josie and John James too, that the reason she is so quick to react and fly off the handle is that she is angry that she contributed in as equal a measure as John did to where they are now? Or is it because he got under her skin like no-one else has?
I know this next quote was said jokingly, but I believe it to be true, 'Q) What was your biggest vice in the house? A) Jaffa cakes and John James.' IMO John is her ultimate vice, he is absolutely everything to her, and she has said herself she now feels like the loneliest person in the world, he was her world, just like she was his.
Josie has admitted to pushing John away, up until now I would have said that she would have taken him back in a second, 'I just really want this to work. I love my Johnny James.' (Ok dated 22/2/11) Now, I'm not sure her pride would allow her to. I think through all of the interviews she did last week she still held out that little bit of hope, but I think John coming back and the fact JJ has lied to her about something, imo probably the fact that John is back, will have been too much for her.
I think John is the only person ever to have come close to seeing the real Josie, and now he has gone her barriers are back up tenfold.
I know some have been critical of Kate Walsh and Charlie’s tweets this morning, but tbh I'm sure they are worried about her on at least three occasions we have all picked up on Josie not being herself on OKTV, both of these people will have spent a lot of time with her backstage in hair and makeup ect, and will probably have seen her struggling through this. I always try to keep in mind with Kate that she has been through all of this before, she was on the apprentice, didn't win but came second, her current relationship developed during this time, a relationship which did break up for a while too. So to be fair I think she is probably a very good friend for Josie to have right about now.

Publicity - When this first came out I found the posts on here insisting it was for publicity ect compelling reading, and did start to feel that way myself.
Sean's silence, but sudden reappearance on twitter last night even if it wasn't Josie and John James related was strange. It is possible that he was keeping an eye on things, seeing how his plans were unfolding.
The Wright Stuff this morning, strange that there was no promotion from Josie, Sean or the TSAJ twitter pages. It all seems a bit last minute, we all heard late last night, and Matthew Wright was far from prepared as regards to chatting about it this morning, but that could all be a coincidence.
The claims of an OK interview have been denied by Josie, and I am going to take her word on that, she may have done an interview who knows, but I don't think it will be selling 'John James' lies' as has been claimed.
Luke's interview worries me a little, it has probably been planned for ages, but the fact that it comes today when she is probably totally confused, and that she does tweet with Luke from time to time in a friendly way, may mean she will let her guard down and chat to him as a mate, not an interviewer, time will tell.
One thing that does sit uncomfortably with me is the suggestion that either of them are aware of this, and that it is a publicity stunt. I just cannot imagine either of them to be capable of that, and refuse to believe it of them. I would believe that those surrounding them may be manipulating the situation for ratings sake ect, but not the two individuals at the centre of all this.

The Future - who knows, my name isn't mystic meg and I don't have a crystal ball. I will be curious to see what the psychic at Josie's party had to say though, that is if they show it on Monday night. The one thing I hate in all of this is that their friendship, the one that drew us in, seems to have all but disappeared. John James: 'We always said we'd be good to eachother and stay friends whatever happens.'(Star dated 30/8/10) I only wish they would both remember these words.

There you go all my thoughts laied out. Thanks to anyone who has read them to the end, I'm sure it's all just one big ramble.
I still believe in Josie and John James, so will hold onto the rollercoaster a little longer, but I'm going to be playing Pas' game of ignore the obvious from now on. I can't deal with the speculation and rumors. I just wish they would all wake up, and show even half the courage and dignity that the young man I mentioned at the start of my post did, what they are going through isn't half as awful as what he battled so bravely through. I just hope everyone concerned finds some sort of peace. xxx”

So sorry to hear about your friend it suddenly makes all this nonsense not seem so important.

Jade =)

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by JJJ_finland:
“You are forgiven... Coming from USA.

But Eurovision Song Contest is a constest that has been held every year since 1956. European countries take part, people and juries vote their favourites and whoever wins gets the honour of holding the contest the following next year. Finland, the eternal loser, finally won in 2006 and held the contest in Helsinki in 2007 It's a big happening with parties, artists, singing and funtime for over a week before the big Final”

Think you summed it up perfectly

This year, Finland happen to be one of my favourites

Originally Posted by miljo:
“hope noone minds if i join in.i've been "lurking" for a few weeks now & have now finally plucked up the courage to join in.
i dont know if this is usual, but i hope it's ok if i give a bit of background of why i love josie and john james.
i, like many others, saw the chemistry very early on in BB. i didnt have live feed, but would spend many a night on my sofa, just dozing in case i missed anything!! i was more tired than when i was getting up with newborn babies!!!
i loved them because, it wasn't the stereotypical pairing. many people wouldn't believe that someone as handsome as john, could ever fancy someone like josie, your average size16 girl!! even though she was just as attractive as he was. i had many "disagreements"with friends who just wouldn't have it.
since then, i've scoured dailymotion everyday for new clips, slowly building up my favs list.
when the break was announced, i was literally beside myself!! i felt like i had been broken up with, yet was unable to talk about it with anyone, as then they would know about my jjj obsession!! the only person who knew a little, was my mums & that was just because, when she asked me about them, i couldn't hide my distress.
i have never lost faith, even when there was all the veiled tweets from both. but after yesterday, i'm totally in bits!!! i know none of the info received is 100%, but i was in a total state of anxiety allday, with noone to really talk about it to. thats probably why i've decided to join you guys.
while i've been reading all your post, i can tell that you are all kind, generous people who love john & josie equally as i do still.
my opinion on all this latest business is that, maybe josie found out he was coming over to stay with turtles relatives & as there just happens to be a cousin who is of similar age, i think she may have added 2+2 & come up with 5! i'm sure many people in her position who've been in a break up instantly think worse case scenario. & knowing how insecure she is, it probably clouds her judgements.

has johnjames got a girlfriend??? i honestly don't know. my gut instinct says not. i think he's come over maybe to clear things up with sean.he's staying in leicester, alledgedly, maybe because he wanted to keep a low profile for now, & that would have been harder if staying at a hotel in london, he probably thought less chance of being noticed.
josie did say in her last ok! interview that she would probably be the last to know if he ever came back.

i hope noones fell asleep reading all that, but i just felt i had to get 5weeks of stomach churning out there & with no other outlet other than twitter, well cant let out all these emotions in 140 characters!!! lol”

Welcome to the thread

Daisy_M

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by ferfer:
“Or, he doesn't have a good reason and just doesn't want to see her again.”

There has to be a reason, whether it is 'good' or not in anyone else's eyes is irrelevant.

wishit

06-05-2011

Lovely post I agree it makes you wonder where it all went wrong.

sammm16

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by wishit:
“What I mean is that if he is in the uk I really would have thought that he would have spoke to Josie to finally have closure, I may have worded it wrong but I know they have split but I felt that if he did have some feelings for Josie he would have spoke to her because she is really hurting I feel. Sorry for confusing you”

Oh I get what you mean.

For all we know though, maybe Josie doesn't want to see him. I would say that will be very much the case if she believes he has a new girlfriend. On the other hand, maybe John just really doesn't want to see her and he doesn't need closure.

xx Mojo xx

06-05-2011

Welcome to the thread Miljo, think we've all felt like you. You have certainly come to the right place. I have thought of little else over the last 24 hours, in fact i've gone over things that many times I'm starting to contradict myself, no wonder Josie has been accused of it, so many opinions can cloud your own judgements and now I'm totally confuddled, and on that note i'm going to tesco and when I get back there had better be some bliddy good news for a change, this rollercoaster only seems to go downhill!!!!!!!!

sammm16

06-05-2011

Amazing post Cassy. Sorry to hear your sad news as well. x

conchie

06-05-2011

well, something quite sad about Sean's tweets... whatever way you take them....... they do not lead us in the direction of a reconcilation anytime soon.

It would seem that John is indeed in the UK... all this activity suddenly is too coincidental. So.... he is either going to come back to UK to do whatever work interests him under new management, or he is cutting all ties, and just going home. Neither way indicates a thaw towards Josie.

He may well have had an idea to meet or speak to Josie......but I imagine the tweets and accusations against him from the twitter army yesterday have resulted in him just walking away... who knows.

I would hope that somehow they would have a few words. You never know........... Sean has been the silent man in the background for so long now.... but if they did meet face to face to discuss business... perhaps Sean may have had a kindly chat in his ear and try to advise and guide him as to how Josie has been since he departed, and advise him to make things ok with her before he goes. I would hope so anyway.

noseygirl

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by lilywhite52:
“Sorry but he hates her, no way John may be the most confusing man ever but he dont hate her I cant even begin to think that he does.x”

Well then maybe he is too scared to meet her because he knows he stills love her and is worried how he will react ( ther doesn't that sound better )

Rubberduck_mel

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by xx Mojo xx:
“Welcome to the thread Miljo, think we've all felt like you. You have certainly come to the right place. I have thought of little else over the last 24 hours, in fact i've gone over things that many times I'm starting to contradict myself, no wonder Josie has been accused of it, so many opinions can cloud your own judgements and now I'm totally confuddled, and on that note i'm going to tesco and when I get back there had better be some bliddy good news for a change, this rollercoaster only seems to go downhill!!!!!!!!”

I feel the same way too, think i might join you in a trip to tesco Lol

Cassy990

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by JJJ_finland:
“First....

HAH!!! The first time I even try that and I succeed ”

Congratulations on 1st post Finland.

wishit

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by dollydaydream81:
“I actually love you . I agree. I think it's all a bit confusing. I really feel for josie and hope her old friends from Bristol are rallying round. I don't know what to think about johncos at the moment everything is 'rumours' from 'sources'. If he had met someone else or was building a relationship with someone else why would he bother retweeting josies tweets etc? He was clearly upset when she said she would rather eat her toenails or wtte. Now way in the space of three weeks he has decided to come back to the u.k to start a relationship. I think some people just get under your skin and i think even in years to come there will still be a pull between josie and john x”

I agree with you I hope Josie's friend rally round her because i feel at the moment she is going to crumble. I really thought this guy really cared for her but if he has met someone so quickly and is calling her his girlfriend before seeing her again I do not think he had loved Josie the way he said he did. I still hope that one day they can at least speak because they had something special.

circle game

06-05-2011

Cassy

Brilliant post. Thankyou.

JJJ lover

06-05-2011

Cassy990 I'm not going to quote your post.

But you brought tears to my eyes.

wishit

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by conchie:
“well, something quite sad about Sean's tweets... whatever way you take them....... they do not lead us in the direction of a reconcilation anytime soon.

It would seem that John is indeed in the UK... all this activity suddenly is too coincidental. So.... he is either going to come back to UK to do whatever work interests him under new management, or he is cutting all ties, and just going home. Neither way indicates a thaw towards Josie.

He may well have had an idea to meet or speak to Josie......but I imagine the tweets and accusations against him from the twitter army yesterday have resulted in him just walking away... who knows.

I would hope that somehow they would have a few words. You never know........... Sean has been the silent man in the background for so long now.... but if they did meet face to face to discuss business... perhaps Sean may have had a kindly chat in his ear and try to advise and guide him as to how Josie has been since he departed, and advise him to make things ok with her before he goes. I would hope so anyway.”

I really hope he could but John being so stubborn hhe will not listen to anybody I think,

lilywhite52

06-05-2011

I agree, I will not stop appreciating either of them they both have faults we have seen that, we can not be Judge and Juror and condem either one of them on what we see or read on twitter. We still no nothing and I really hope that it is not to late for them to have that private converation even if its the last one its the one they have needed to have since all this started like I said earlier Josie is still very much In love with John and in time she will find that closure that maybe she needs to find.

I will see the series and I agree some people may move to other threads, but the series ia going to be what they want us to see and people will decide on that, it will probabaly not still be the truth and maybe thats something we will never know.xxxxxx

sammm16

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by wishit:
“I agree with you I hope Josie's friend rally round her because i feel at the moment she is going to crumble. I really thought this guy really cared for her but if he has met someone so quickly and is calling her his girlfriend before seeing her again I do not think he had loved Josie the way he said he did. I still hope that one day they can at least speak because they had something special.”

Just because John may have a new girlfriend, does NOT mean he didnt love Josie the way he said he did. I'm sure he did love Josie very much, but they aren't together anymore.

wishit

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by sammm16:
“Oh I get what you mean. For all we know though, maybe Josie doesn't want to see him. I would say that will be very much the case if she believes he has a new girlfriend. On the other hand, maybe John just really doesn't want to see her and he doesn't need closure.”

Maybe but I think Josie needs closure

miljo

06-05-2011

Originally Posted by Rubberduck_mel:
“I feel the same way too, think i might join you in a trip to tesco Lol ”

thanks for all the welcomes. i do feel this is the right place to get it all out, so to speak!!

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