What would you rather happens to the Time Lords?

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Sophie ~Oohie~

07-05-2011

1. Come back nice (or as nice as they ever were)
2. Come back evil/crazy
3. Stay dead
4. Other

I wouldn't mind option 2 or 3, but hopefully not option 1 unless it's as temporary as Rory's death!

(Can the mods make this into a poll? Doesn't seem to work properly for me.

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ComeAlongPond

07-05-2011

I think I would just quite like them back again. This would really be an interesting way to develop the Docs mythology and personality. I would like them back angry at him for letting them die (more than once). He would be running as an outcast. Could be interesting....They did I believe used to be in Doctor Who so there is no reason why a brave writer couldn't bring them back. I am always so interested in the Time Lord society...maybe we should start a campaign!

Boom Head Shot

07-05-2011

Time Lords & Gallifrey need a full time return.

jcafcw

07-05-2011

I would like them to come back as they were before.

Some were good, some were bad.

There was a lot of politicking in the old Gallifrey.

13lives

07-05-2011

would definately like them to come back - would be nice to explore more of their culture - perhaps even the origins etc

Bob_1971

07-05-2011

Not fussed either way.

steven87gill

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by ComeAlongPond:
“I think I would just quite like them back again. This would really be an interesting way to develop the Docs mythology and personality. I would like them back angry at him for letting them die (more than once). He would be running as an outcast. Could be interesting....They did I believe used to be in Doctor Who so there is no reason why a brave writer couldn't bring them back. I am always so interested in the Time Lord society...maybe we should start a campaign! ”

Yes, I know SM has claimed that the Time Lords wont be back as he prefers the lonely Doc/Last Of The Time Lords vibe.

But you see, I just think he's lying through his teeth here. I think they'll be back an awful lot sooner than we think.

Sophie ~Oohie~

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by steven87gill:
“Yes, I know SM has claimed that the Time Lords wont be back as he prefers the lonely Doc/Last Of The Time Lords vibe. ”

I prefer it too, but if they came back crazy, killed his companions in front of him and/or tried to destroy the world that could be a pretty good story. Or alternatively, they came back really loving, beautiful etc and he had to destroy them again? That'd be...intense.

lordOfTime

07-05-2011

I'm one for having the Time Lords back.

And Gallifrey.

I'd only just warmed to the idea that they'd gone and would never return when I saw Gallifrey dominate the Sky in "End of Time #2" when I saw the potential again of what the Time Lords could do for he show.

It would be like proper classic Who again.

Instead of a lonely travelling causing chaos because he's got nothing else what about a traveller causing chaos because he's running away from authority from a race that won't allow him to have fun.

On reflection, doing away with the Time Lord's worked, it allowed DT and CE to work with some good emotional material whilst still having the same traditional quirky traits you'd expect of the Doctor but I think that angle has been explored enough now. Even Moffat's era hasn't explored it that much.

That said, how you bring them back after RTD's writing, Time Locking them out of existence.... that's another story.

Darkillusion

07-05-2011

I think they should come back, it would add more dimension to the show.
I Believe the Doctor needs them in order avoid becoming "Godlike", he needs some sort of equalizing force to balance out his almost unchecked abilities at this point.

Outside of the internal politic of the Time Lords, for the most part they were a good force in the universe. I know they are pledged to stay neutral and not interfere with the timeline, but there is a reason they gave the Doctor such free rein. Up to a certain point they had ability to bring the TARDIS back to Galifrey at any time, but they only chose to a couple of times. I believe the Doctor eventually disabled the circuit that allowed them to do this, but still came when they called him. I am of the thought that they allowed the Doctor free reign in order to have him battle evil ,but with the claim he is a renegade, and therefore out of their control.

I would like to see them come back as they were before, perhaps something about the time war made them go over the edge, perhaps it was Rassilon himself , on his return, that led him them astray. Maybe if Romana had remained president of the council and Rassilon had not returned the war might have been different.

Besides, how can you have a 50th anniversary (2013) without them !

Darkillusion

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“Ihat much.

That said, how you bring them back after RTD's writing, Time Locking them out of existence.... that's another story.”

I don't know, the cracks in the universe, the silents , the TARDIS like ship in the Lodger and Day of the Moon.

This spoiler :

Spoiler

lordOfTime

07-05-2011

I think I got most of that. Stupid Ad, covering the spoiler.

Sounds interesting.

Yes a writer can bring the Time Lords back however they like but what do else can do you without disregarding the time lock completely. Surely a lot is owed to the threads RTD has previously sown.

Darkillusion

07-05-2011

Yes, but even RTD basically hinted that the time lock was not impervious with the the ability of the Time Lords to place the signal in the Master's mind and the ability to send the White-Point star diamond, Dalek Caan being able to get in and save Davros - (and out..The stolen Earth?).

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Dalek_Caan:

"Dalek Caan teleported to the Time War, despite it being time locked. Once there, he found and saved Davros, something which the Doctor himself had failed to do. After the Daleks moved Earth to the Medusa Cascade in 2009, Dalek Caan resided on the Dalek spaceship, giving cryptic information to Davros."

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_lock:

"When the Doctor used the Moment at the end of Last Great Time War, the entire war was time-locked. (IDW: Don't Step on the Grass) Davros suggested once that Emperors and Time Lords had attempted to breach a time-lock, but failed. Dalek Caan was able to overcome the lock on the Time War after making an emergency temporal shift, and travelled back to the Gates of Elysium to save Davros. The process flooded Caan's mind with total knowledge of the past, present and future, driving him insane. (DW: The Stolen Earth) The only other things capable of breaching the time lock was something that was already in place, like the signal that had been transmitted back through time into the Master's mind, and, on at least one occasion, very small objects, such as the White-Point Star diamond sent by Rassilon to follow the signal in the Master's head. (DW: The End of Time) "

I appears that RTD wrote the Time Lock as not being absolutely impervious.

etldlrl

07-05-2011

What we don't want is the Time Lords back in a way that allows them to be endlessly pompous and tedious. If they can emerge from the Time War in a diminished capacity then that could work out quite well.

lordOfTime

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by etldlrl:
“What we don't want is the Time Lords back in a way that allows them to be endlessly pompous and tedious. If they can emerge from the Time War in a diminished capacity then that could work out quite well.”

No I want Gallifrey back.

I miss Gallifrey and I barely even know it.

Joanne1938

07-05-2011

The thing is, when the universe was rebooted the time war never happened, Galifrey and Skaro were recreated and everything went back to normal. The thing is some might say these races are destined to meet and not to get on. So how is the Doctor going to stop the time war from happening (again?)
However this also means that the Master is out there somewhere, I just hope the "Doctor's Wife" isn't going to turn out like the end of the universe thing. Thats been done (though it did bring John Simm into Dr. WHO). If Idris is a Time Lord and not the TARDIS, I have a funny feeling she's Romana.

AndiC

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by Darkillusion:
“I don't know, the cracks in the universe, the silents , the TARDIS like ship in the Lodger and Day of the Moon.

This spoiler :

Spoiler

http://doctorwhospoilers.com/2011/summaries/s6ep3/

"We have a few new tidbits to add to the spoilers for this episode. At Wondercom on 4/1/11, Neil Gaiman, Mark Sheppard and Toby Haynes did a "Doctor Who" panel and showed a clip from this episode: (The Doctor's Wife)

The TARDIS is on a burnt-out planet and the Doctor’s pals are talking to a woman in ripped-up Victorian dress and a 19th century soldier. Also: a green space creature with a squid face [an Ood] and glowing green eyes. The Doctor takes an orb from him, opens it, pushes some steampunk-y looking buttons and hears a scramble of voices. He gets all spooked and says "somewhere, near by, there are Time Lords."

TimeLords? Now THAT’s exciting.

Okay, not everyone likes the TimeLords. But still. Chances are they won’t hang around long.
and then this:

The Doctor, Amy and Rory are on the spaceship graveyard planet, meeting a group of four or five people — including an Ood. Amy is alarmed by the Ood, but the Doctor tells her not to be scared. The Ood has a broken speech globe, but the Doctor repairs it — at which point, a babble of weird voices comes out until it shuts off. The Doctor is incredibly freaked out, and starts asking who else is there. Just The Room, explains the older woman in the group of natives. They’re inside the Room and standing on it — the whole planet is The Room. The Doctor can meet The Room if he likes. The Doctor is very eager to do so — and Amy asks what those voices were. "Time Lords," the Doctor explains. Near here someplace, there are "lots and lots of Time Lords."

Also during the clip, the character Auntie (Elizabeth Berrington) explains that “House” is everywhere and asks The Doctor if he’d like to meet him, which he replies, “Yes, I very much would.”

”

Yes but i don't think there going to be real, rather than faked by a mysterious force.

I SHOT BAMBI

07-05-2011

4. Other - I like the idea that many others managed to escape the time war like the doctor and are now living individually as scavangers just trying to survive. not necessarily good or bad, just surviving the best they can throughout time and space.

lordOfTime

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by Joanne1938:
“The thing is, when the universe was rebooted the time war never happened, Galifrey and Skaro were recreated and everything went back to normal. The thing is some might say these races are destined to meet and not to get on. So how is the Doctor going to stop the time war from happening (again?)
However this also means that the Master is out there somewhere, I just hope the "Doctor's Wife" isn't going to turn out like the end of the universe thing. Thats been done (though it did bring John Simm into Dr. WHO). If Idris is a Time Lord and not the TARDIS, I have a funny feeling she's Romana.”

But if the Time War never happened, and the Time Lord's are back? How come the Doctor has never tried to go home? Or The Time Lords try to contact him? I'm sure the Doctor would have taken Amy and Rory there for sure.

Old Man 43

07-05-2011

The universe was re-booted back to how it was before the cracks started appearing. The Time War still happened and is still Time Locked along with the Time Lords.

Joanne1938

07-05-2011

Because he doesn't know. There have been clues, if the Pandorica resurected one Dalek in the last series it could resurrect them all. There's the little girl, she must have got Timelord DNA from somewhere and if its not the Doctor, who? Also if there are Time Lords in next week's episode, where did they come from? There's more going on than the silent parasites infecting the whole universe and all species trying to get away from them.

Boom Head Shot

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by Old Man 43:
“The universe was re-booted back to how it was before the cracks started appearing. The Time War still happened and is still Time Locked along with the Time Lords.”

The Time War & Time Lords being time locked away, could lead to a way to explain the cracks tbh.

Old Man 43

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by Boom Head Shot:
“The Time War & Time Lords being time locked away, could lead to a way to explain the cracks tbh.”

The cracks were caused by the TARDIS exploding.

Boom Head Shot

07-05-2011

Originally Posted by Old Man 43:
“The cracks were caused by the TARDIS exploding.”

I know..

But if a writer wants to bring Time Lords back, then the cracks and the universe/Tardis exploding is another way to explain it. Lead everything back to the Time Lords, not being there to regulate time. And it's all the Doctor's fault, for time locking the Time War.

johnnysaucepn

07-05-2011

I'm all in favour of the show continuing to reference Time Lord culture, Time Lord biology, Time Lord mating rituals, whatever. But the Time Lords themselves are too powerful, too controlling, to be a permanent fixture. We need to keep the frontier vibe - no-one around to call for help.

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