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When popular films get the Doctor treatment- is it creative, or indicative of a lack of ideas?

Cursed treasure

Black pearl- black spot

Malevolent agent.

Undead

Cursed captain remains on board and sails the world/universe

I don't see it as a lack of ideas. They decided to 'do' pirates and the links to various pirate legends can be very witty.

Just a pity about the parrot.

I remember way back they 'did' the Marie Celeste.

I know this may be hard to believe, but Pirates of the Caribbean is hardly an original concept in itself...shocking i know, OP. I mean there were pirates in Doctor Who decades before this francise was conceived, and scores of other films and tv shows used all the concepts you mention.

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I don't mind homage but it seems like a direct lift.

Even the medallion featured in the Johnny Depp film

i know- cursed treasure is a Pirate staple but that- with a suggestion of undeadness- captain of a cursed boat.

Black dot- links with Black pearl.

The fit is too snug.

Also, an agent that passes between two worlds.

Yes, many standards get the Who treatment but it's shoddy work when you can see the stitching

oh please, it was Doctor Who does Pirates, but the points you mention are all highly contrived points of comparison on your part.

As i said, you are trying to allege Doctor Who has "lifted" from something that is in itself is not an original concept in any way shape or form.

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They are only contrived points if the thematic link is tenuous- but it isn't.

It's a punch on the nose in its obviousness.

And aren't you playing the two wrongs make a right, strategy?

And now you've made me break out into cliche

As I said- I don't mind homage- but taking the key points from a blockbuster and giving it a Who make over, is not homage- it's creative piracy.

actually in the points you have made the link is very tenuous, as you have to some extent distorted events to try and make the comparisons fit.



No I am pointing out that a) Doctor Who and Pirates of the Caribbean both rift heavily on pirate mythology and used well known themes as plot points and that b) it is faintly absurd to claim that Doctor Who has somehow "stolen" from something that in itself "stole" from every other Pirate themed book, film, tv show, play. Neither are wrong to borrow from pirate mythology. It's perfectly fine in both cases.

Agreed.

I've yet to see 'Pirates of the Carribean' but all the plot points that MB complains about are very familiar to me.

It seems that s/he's suggesting that with the release of POC, all the pirate memes used in that film should become unavailable for future use - which is absurd.

Still a pity about the parrot.

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The DNA is the same- no distortion.

In fact- their identical twins- but each dressed to individual tastes


That's a good defence: if you steal from a thief that has already stolen- it's not a crime?

But this smash and grab was carried out on one film not on the mythology of Pirates- but one franchise.

my last post on this topic, this is patently not true, and I suspect you know it as well as i do. Still if you feel so strongly go ask the producers of Pirates to sue the BBC.

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If it was 'patently not true'- the inconvenient counter argument wouldn't survive scrutiny- but it does.

Watch the 'Curse of the black pearl' and rewatch 'Curse of the black spot' film- it's a perfect marriage:

Something old, something new, something borrowed, something WHO

Not true. As I said above I haven't seen POC and yet the most of the non-alien features of the story were completely familiar.


That's just nonsensical. If you consider re-using plot devices 'stealing' then virtually every book in existence would be a work of theft.


Except that it wasn't. It's just some weird obsession of your own.

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Doesn't that put you at a disadvantage in a discussion about the obvious comparisons between 'Black Pearl' and 'Black Spot'?

Only in your somewhat confused imagination.


Except that it very clearly isn't.

Remind us about how the time travellers fitted into POC.

Remind us about the alien spaceship in POC.

Remind us about the holographic doctor in POC.

Remind us of who was kidnapped in Doctor Who.

Remind us of who persuaded who to set off and rescue who in Doctor Who.

Not for the point I was making that all the non alien plot devices used in Doctor Who were perfectly familiar to me and yet I hadn't seen POC.

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Have you watched the film yet?

Just answer the questions.

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No point if you havent seen the film.

If I say: The hologram represents the character that bound the dead shipmates to a ghost ship

With no insight into the film- how can you disprove the parallel?

Any answer would be construed as fanboyism

Well, I know that you are talking utter rubbish because I haven't seen the film and yet most of the plot devices are extremelyfamiliar to me from many years ago when I first read stories that used them.

In the unlikely event that you have some logical basis for your bizarre assertion you might get a bit of credibility with people who have seen POC is you can answer the questions I asked.

Doubt it, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_S...sure_Island%29

I've seen all the POC films and those are the exact same questions I would have asked!!

You can't 'KNOW' and then proceed with the opening line:


Either you 'know' or you don't and if you don't- there's space enough for a competing theory.

I'll throw you another bone:

You asked:


The obvious response is: show me the alien ship in Doctor Who

Was it alien- the hologram looked human to me

The singing was an anaesthetic- and using sound waves to create states of hypnosis- is very human.

The Captain was instantly familiar with the controls.

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But we're tackling the similitude between black Spot and Black Pearl- and to a lesser extent- the other Sparrow-featured films

It struck me as a homage to the pirate film genre and I'm sure the creative team researched the period for costumes and dialogue and stuff. Why it looks like numerous pirate films is that they represented the period in the same way using research and tried to get as near a feel of the time as p[ossible. I thought it was a great episode which reminded me of the classic series 'Stones of Blood', dead creatures in a stuck in space ship.

For the benefit of those of us who have seen the film: Answer the question.

I think your points are ludicrous. black spot = black pearl? Honestly, there is no point of comparison. Other than about them having a link to curses.

The treasure was not cursed. It was reflective. This is a wonderfully Doctor Who treatment of the old cursed treasure thing with pirate stories. Which did not start with POC. Not by a long way. This was Doctor Who's nicely scifi take on a pirate story. Siren = holographic doctor? That was a new one. Inventive and original. The exact opposite of your claim.

And if you did say what you said about binding to ghost ships then you'd be wrong. I've seen the film. You are stretching your comparison so far beyond breaking point its silly.

Did you notice the way in POC they all went around in a ship? Rip off of The Poseidon Adventure.

And for my next topic - they faked the moon landings. Disprove my "evidence"!