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Old 08-05-2011, 10:33
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You can't 'KNOW' and then proceed with the opening line:



Either you 'know' or you don't and if you don't- there's space enough for a competing theory.

I'll throw you another bone:

You asked:



The obvious response is: show me the alien ship in Doctor Who

Was it alien- the hologram looked human to me

The singing was an anaesthetic- and using sound waves to create states of hypnosis- is very human.

The Captain was instantly familiar with the controls.
Im sorry but i really cant see what the issue is here. When doing a story about pirates it will involve many of the things in black spot, and i think say that someone might have copied of disney one of the biggest companies gulity of copying is a bit rich

are you of the opinion that bill and ted copied dr who out of interest
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:44
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For the benefit of those of us who have seen the film: Answer the question.

I think your points are ludicrous. black spot = black pearl? Honestly, there is no point of comparison. Other than about them having a link to curses.

The treasure was not cursed. It was reflective. This is a wonderfully Doctor Who treatment of the old cursed treasure thing with pirate stories. Which did not start with POC. Not by a long way. This was Doctor Who's nicely scifi take on a pirate story. Siren = holographic doctor? That was a new one. Inventive and original. The exact opposite of your claim.

And if you did say what you said about binding to ghost ships then you'd be wrong. I've seen the film. You are stretching your comparison so far beyond breaking point its silly.

Did you notice the way in POC they all went around in a ship? Rip off of The Poseidon Adventure.

And for my next topic - they faked the moon landings. Disprove my "evidence"!
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Well, if nothing else- your post serves as an object lesson in ' using hyperbole in lieu of fact'.

The comparison of men bound to ship because of a singular agent- is conceptually tight.

Though, an ego heavily invested in one interpretation- is not going to have the latitude to see anything else.

When did I ever miss out on the Who treatment?

It's Pirate writ large- with Who underpinnings.

I mentioned it from the start.

But the framework is pure Pearl- with a little 'Dead man's chest'
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:48
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Im sorry but i really cant see what the issue is here. When doing a story about pirates it will involve many of the things in black spot, and i think say that someone might have copied of disney one of the biggest companies gulity of copying is a bit rich

are you of the opinion that bill and ted copied dr who out of interest
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So- it's feasible that Moffat the magpie did lift a shiny jewel or two from Disney?

My complaint is how obvious it was- like they put a plank between the two ships and made off with the treasure
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:01
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Remind us of who was kidnapped in Doctor Who.
Well, there was a 'kid' and it didn't die but it was taken so, it was-

As none of them died- they were all kidnaped

Remind us of who persuaded who to set off and rescue who in Doctor Who.
Doctor persuaded Pond and t'other- to rescue the crew- believing them to be alive.

This question is interesting:

Remind us about how the time travellers fitted into POC
Pirates of the Caribbean has a time travelling element because in some cases- people are in 'living stasis' as they live but time has no influence on them.

They don't burn in the fires of time'.

Also, when they travel to the underworld- they're time traveling because the underworld doesn't contain time- it's endless suffering.

When you puncture the membrane betwixt here and damnation- you're effectively 'time travelling'
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:04
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But we're tackling the similitude between black Spot and Black Pearl- and to a lesser extent- the other Sparrow-featured films
I know you are, but you listed that element to it it among the things you felt contributed to your feeling that this episode was a direct lift:

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When popular films get the Doctor treatment- is it creative, or indicative of a lack of ideas?

Cursed treasure

Black pearl- black spot

Malevolent agent.

Undead

Cursed captain remains on board and sails the world/universe
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:05
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So- it's feasible that Moffat the magpie did lift a shiny jewel or two from Disney?

My complaint is how obvious it was- like they put a plank between the two ships and made off with the treasure
Moffat didnt write this episode
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:07
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I know you are, but you listed that element to it it among the things you felt contributed to your feeling that this episode was a direct lift:
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Yes, within the context of the other elements that i've mentioned.

That alone would strike a parallel with the original- but contextualised- it pushes the discussion in a different direction
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:09
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Moffat didnt write this episode
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That lends credibility to my theory- didn't think it would be Moffat's style.

Some junior hack out to impress.

Moffat's writing has beautiful cadence- you could dance to it.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:15
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So- it's feasible that Moffat the magpie did lift a shiny jewel or two from Disney?

My complaint is how obvious it was- like they put a plank between the two ships and made off with the treasure
Why would the brilliant mind that is Steven Moffat take ideas from a 2003 disney film?
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:16
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Has the OP even watched POTC or CotBS? The only thing they have that are alike are the fact there are pirates and that there is the word 'black' in the title.

Giant MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to you. Get away with you you scurvy dog!!!
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:17
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He's quite clearly taking the mick... theres no other way to reason with lines such as:

"Pirates of the Caribbean has a time travelling element because in some cases- people are in 'living stasis' as they live but time has no influence on them.

They don't burn in the fires of time'.

Also, when they travel to the underworld- they're time traveling because the underworld doesn't contain time- it's endless suffering.

When you puncture the membrane betwixt here and damnation- you're effectively 'time travelling'"

Which is clearly not about time travelling but about a riff on Dante's Inferno...
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:18
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So- it's feasible that Moffat the magpie did lift a shiny jewel or two from Disney?
Moffat didnt write this episode
That lends credibility to my theory- didn't think it would be Moffat's style.
Right from the beginning of this thread I got the impression that you were a touch deranged.

With the contention that someone pointing out that SM didn't write an episode where you suggested that SM had stolen ideas for the episode lends credibility to your theory the only thing you have now proven is the level of your demented obsession.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:18
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Why would the brilliant mind that is Steven Moffat take ideas from a 2003 disney film?
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Moffat didn't write it, apparently.

Which increases the chances of a 'direct lift'.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:21
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Moffat didn't write it, apparently.

Which increases the chances of a 'direct lift'.
I didn't say he did, I was replying to your suggestion that he did, and in the process, lifted stuff.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:24
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Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson is the inspiration for this episode.Black Spots where given to pirates to mark a guilty verdict. Treasure Island set out the template for most of our ideas about pirates.
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:24
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Right from the beginning of this thread I got the impression that you were a touch deranged.

With the contention that someone pointing out that SM didn't write an episode where you suggested that SM had stolen ideas for the episode lends credibility to your theory the only thing you have now proven is the level of your demented obsession.
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Regurgitated ideas- Like flames to a Moffat.

Moffat is a skilled writer- I haven't sensed something borrowed, something Who, till now.

As I mentioned- Moffat has s sinewy cadence- that's both poetic and functional- that's incredibly hard to sustain.

This literary interloper has lifted elements from popular films- wholesale in some senses.

It was hard to think that Moffat got cheap- but less so when we think of casual contributors
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:26
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Does the Doctor have a jar of dirt?

I.
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So.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcj6CAhe7s
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:27
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Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson is the inspiration for this episode.Black Spots where given to pirates to mark a guilty verdict. Treasure Island set out the template for most of our ideas about pirates.
This is so obvious to anyone with any intelligence who is even the vaguest bit well read.

Looking at the obsessive and increasingly incoherent posting of our OP, ask yourself what sort of a person, in real life, comes up to you and says 'hello' with a rictus grin every time he speaks?
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Old 08-05-2011, 11:43
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This is so obvious to anyone with any intelligence who is even the vaguest bit well read.

Looking at the obsessive and increasingly incoherent posting of our OP, ask yourself what sort of a person, in real life, comes up to you and says 'hello' with a rictus grin every time he speaks?
Hello

So, pour scorn on my theory because my face doesn't represent a Smilie in real life?

That's lunacy.

Yes, Louis presented the 'black spot as judgement' theory- undeniable- it's there in black ink-

but that doesn't bring the sails down on my good ship 'Disney', as the complete explanation for every element of the 'Who' tale.

A type of completeness that your theory lacks.
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Old 08-05-2011, 15:19
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Does the Doctor have a jar of dirt?

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So.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcj6CAhe7s
Hello

Say, nine elements are transferred to WHO.

But not a tenth- does that undermine my theory of cross pollination?

Though, it's probably a stretch to say that Captain Avery regained his heart

'Dead Man's Chest'
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Old 08-05-2011, 15:39
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The captain, Henry Every actually existed, and indeed disappeared in mysterious circumstances and was never heard from again after 1696.

He was written about by Daniel Defoe, the well known writer of Robinson Crusoe.

Perhaps nobody else should have written about him or offered their interpretation of events either? They've all nicked ideas after all.

Oh and the Mughal's treasure did exist, and was actually stolen by Every just before he disappeared. Weird huh?
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Old 08-05-2011, 15:44
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Cursed treasure
Even if they didn't have any treasure, the siren would have appeared to them through the water/mirrors etc.

Black pearl- black spot
Black pearl = ship in Pirates
Black spot was not a ship. That was, if anything, a reference to Treasure Island.

Malevolent agent.
(Facepalm) So any baddie in a pirate story rips off Pirates then?

Undead
No-one died in the episode.

Cursed captain remains on board and sails the world/universe
Avery was never cursed. And what were they supposed to do, go home and live happily ever after?
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Old 08-05-2011, 15:51
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So, pour scorn on my theory because my face doesn't represent a Smilie in real life?

That's lunacy.

Yes, Louis presented the 'black spot as judgement' theory- undeniable- it's there in black ink-

but that doesn't bring the sails down on my good ship 'Disney', as the complete explanation for every element of the 'Who' tale.

A type of completeness that your theory lacks.

simple answer - no , unless we're to assume that all filmakers and writers saw POTC and then went back in time to rip it off .

but speaking of imitation -

who are you trying to sound like ? are you going for 19th century dandy or misunderstood aesthete ?
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Old 08-05-2011, 16:34
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simple answer - no , unless we're to assume that all filmakers and writers saw POTC and then went back in time to rip it off .

but speaking of imitation -

who are you trying to sound like ? are you going for 19th century dandy or misunderstood aesthete ?
or Forest Gump?
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Old 08-05-2011, 16:34
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Hello, Milton Blake.

Just wanted to say I remember your bean thread with much affection.

This one is not as amusing, unfortunately.

(Wasn't this thread closed? I'm sure it was when I was on the forum earlier)
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