Im sorry but i really cant see what the issue is here. When doing a story about pirates it will involve many of the things in black spot, and i think say that someone might have copied of disney one of the biggest companies gulity of copying is a bit rich

are you of the opinion that bill and ted copied dr who out of interest

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Well, if nothing else- your post serves as an object lesson in ' using hyperbole in lieu of fact'.

The comparison of men bound to ship because of a singular agent- is conceptually tight.

Though, an ego heavily invested in one interpretation- is not going to have the latitude to see anything else.

When did I ever miss out on the Who treatment?

It's Pirate writ large- with Who underpinnings.

I mentioned it from the start.

But the framework is pure Pearl- with a little 'Dead man's chest'

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So- it's feasible that Moffat the magpie did lift a shiny jewel or two from Disney?

My complaint is how obvious it was- like they put a plank between the two ships and made off with the treasure

Well, there was a 'kid' and it didn't die but it was taken so, it was-

As none of them died- they were all kidnaped


Doctor persuaded Pond and t'other- to rescue the crew- believing them to be alive.

This question is interesting:


Pirates of the Caribbean has a time travelling element because in some cases- people are in 'living stasis' as they live but time has no influence on them.

They don't burn in the fires of time'.

Also, when they travel to the underworld- they're time traveling because the underworld doesn't contain time- it's endless suffering.

When you puncture the membrane betwixt here and damnation- you're effectively 'time travelling'

I know you are, but you listed that element to it it among the things you felt contributed to your feeling that this episode was a direct lift:

Moffat didnt write this episode

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Yes, within the context of the other elements that i've mentioned.

That alone would strike a parallel with the original- but contextualised- it pushes the discussion in a different direction

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That lends credibility to my theory- didn't think it would be Moffat's style.

Some junior hack out to impress.

Moffat's writing has beautiful cadence- you could dance to it.

Why would the brilliant mind that is Steven Moffat take ideas from a 2003 disney film?

Has the OP even watched POTC or CotBS? The only thing they have that are alike are the fact there are pirates and that there is the word 'black' in the title.

Giant MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to you. Get away with you you scurvy dog!!!

He's quite clearly taking the mick... theres no other way to reason with lines such as:

"Pirates of the Caribbean has a time travelling element because in some cases- people are in 'living stasis' as they live but time has no influence on them.

They don't burn in the fires of time'.

Also, when they travel to the underworld- they're time traveling because the underworld doesn't contain time- it's endless suffering.

When you puncture the membrane betwixt here and damnation- you're effectively 'time travelling'"

Which is clearly not about time travelling but about a riff on Dante's Inferno...

Right from the beginning of this thread I got the impression that you were a touch deranged.

With the contention that someone pointing out that SM didn't write an episode where you suggested that SM had stolen ideas for the episode lends credibility to your theory the only thing you have now proven is the level of your demented obsession.

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Moffat didn't write it, apparently.

Which increases the chances of a 'direct lift'.

I didn't say he did, I was replying to your suggestion that he did, and in the process, lifted stuff.

Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson is the inspiration for this episode.Black Spots where given to pirates to mark a guilty verdict. Treasure Island set out the template for most of our ideas about pirates.

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Regurgitated ideas- Like flames to a Moffat.

Moffat is a skilled writer- I haven't sensed something borrowed, something Who, till now.

As I mentioned- Moffat has s sinewy cadence- that's both poetic and functional- that's incredibly hard to sustain.

This literary interloper has lifted elements from popular films- wholesale in some senses.

It was hard to think that Moffat got cheap- but less so when we think of casual contributors

Does the Doctor have a jar of dirt?

I.
Don't
Think
So.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcj6CAhe7s

This is so obvious to anyone with any intelligence who is even the vaguest bit well read.

Looking at the obsessive and increasingly incoherent posting of our OP, ask yourself what sort of a person, in real life, comes up to you and says 'hello' with a rictus grin every time he speaks?

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So, pour scorn on my theory because my face doesn't represent a Smilie in real life?

That's lunacy.

Yes, Louis presented the 'black spot as judgement' theory- undeniable- it's there in black ink-

but that doesn't bring the sails down on my good ship 'Disney', as the complete explanation for every element of the 'Who' tale.

A type of completeness that your theory lacks.

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Say, nine elements are transferred to WHO.

But not a tenth- does that undermine my theory of cross pollination?

Though, it's probably a stretch to say that Captain Avery regained his heart

'Dead Man's Chest'

The captain, Henry Every actually existed, and indeed disappeared in mysterious circumstances and was never heard from again after 1696.

He was written about by Daniel Defoe, the well known writer of Robinson Crusoe.

Perhaps nobody else should have written about him or offered their interpretation of events either? They've all nicked ideas after all.

Oh and the Mughal's treasure did exist, and was actually stolen by Every just before he disappeared. Weird huh?

Even if they didn't have any treasure, the siren would have appeared to them through the water/mirrors etc.


Black pearl = ship in Pirates
Black spot was not a ship. That was, if anything, a reference to Treasure Island.


(Facepalm) So any baddie in a pirate story rips off Pirates then?


No-one died in the episode.


Avery was never cursed. And what were they supposed to do, go home and live happily ever after?

simple answer - no , unless we're to assume that all filmakers and writers saw POTC and then went back in time to rip it off .

but speaking of imitation -

who are you trying to sound like ? are you going for 19th century dandy or misunderstood aesthete ?

or Forest Gump?

Hello, Milton Blake.

Just wanted to say I remember your bean thread with much affection.

This one is not as amusing, unfortunately.

(Wasn't this thread closed? I'm sure it was when I was on the forum earlier)