When the majority of the cut pirates are touched by Lily Cole, they end up on the surgery beds...

When Amy, Doc and Captain are touched they arrive in the ship laying on the ground unattached to any life support machines and are able to walk around the ship to find Rory and crew ect. - How?

All the beds were taken?

Easier to advance the plot if they all arrived alive (and awake).

She hadn't had a chance to put them on a bed yet, or their injuries were only a prick of the finger as oppose to a big cut. You just don't see the Siren putting the other people on the beds because we were watching what was going on on the ship not the space ship

Sharon87's got it — there's no evidence to suggest that the Doctor/etc get any different treatment.

So they were just lucky they awoke before Siren reached them? Unlike the other pirates who had a slight cut on their hands ect...

The pirates who arrived earlier were probably less aware and more terrified than the Doctor, Amy and Rory. They're less likely to grasp what is going on and explore.

It's a metaphor for the state of the NHS.

...or episode 7 ?

For all we know, everyone awoke before the Siren reached them. Why assume otherwise?

It was a plot hole, and occurred to me too. A big one too, as without an explanation for how they escaped, then all the running away part of the episode was pointless - they might as well have all got caught right at the beginning.

Its not a bloody plot hole. Its a plot device. How boring would the episode be if The Doctor, Amy and The Pirate bloke ended up in stasis forever? Stop whinging.

It's neither a plot hole nor a device.

Established facts: people touch the Siren. At some point later they are on beds. Question: what happens in between? Answer: when we follow the Doctor/etc through, it seems they don't immediately end up in the beds.

There's no plot hole, no dramatic licence.

LOL. Agree.

Some people don't seem to understand that it's a drama, not a documentary. It has to be interesting, not drearily literal. We don't get to see every little detail and IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I particularly like the "that just isn't feasible" brigade...well, duh!

There are a couple of recent thread titles that have made me chuckle!

To be honest, my biggest problem with this episode was that it didn't seem to think through things like this. This could have easily been fixed with a few extra lines of script. Just have them locked in a holding area and the Doctor helps them escape by way of the sonic. Just a few lines of dialogue would remove any ambiguity. They could even have made a slightly topical joke about them being "non-important" patients and therefore being dumped in a waiting room because all the beds were full!

Personally, I was more put out by the fact that the Doctor risked his, Amy's, Avery's and - somewhat - Rory's lives on a completely unsupported assumption that the siren, perhaps might not be killing people but maybe moving them somewhere else. He's been given no reason to think that was happening and could have killed all of them on a whim. I found that very out of character for him.

I felt there were a few of these instance throughout the episode, where the writer jsut needed to have spent a little more time to provide a coherent explanation for why things were happening the way they did. A few little tweaks could have made the episode excellent, instead of average, in my view.

Still, average Doctor Who is still better than most else on telly - particularly on a Saturday evening, so I won't complain too much!

It's not a plot hole. Everyone was teleported. And even if they woke up before he put them on the bed, she sang, which is a sedative, allowing her to put them on the beds.

Well, the one minor thing in this episode that bugged me (apart from thinking it pretty bad in general) was that seemingly the sonic screwdriver does wood now.

Not talking about the doors, as I am sure they had metal fastings, but the water barrels - the lid was all wood and still the Doctor was using sonic to open/fasten it ...

Curious to see if he will sonic more wood in the future ...

Why should they be locked in a holding area? They were sedated. It wore off before the Siren could get them onto beds, probably because she was dealing with Rory first as he was more seriously injured. As for the Doctor suddenly realising what was going on and risking their lives, he knew there was something strange about the ship, the 'I feel as if something's watching me' etc, and it came to him as he watched her and he knew they had to act quickly. If the Doctor asked you to so something, and trust him, wouldn't you do it?

Was the Siren part of the NHS - as otherwise I can't understand why they'd dump patients on the floor.

Newer patients's or injured probably always arrive like that besides it makes more scence that the main supporting member's are conscious i like your observation.

The whole episode was poorly written and poorly directed, it was just bad.

And it was so easy to fix to make the episode far better. Just a few extra lines of dialogue here and there.

Whoever wrote that should be thrown overboard.

I agree, there was no plot hole or error in this instance whatsoever.

I cant wait til next week and the discussion that the doctors wife cannot really be his wife as we didn't see her sign the marriage certificate

Yes, you're right! The one that got me was when the Doc unbolted a door with the sonic. He wasn't able to do that in Vampires of Venice.

Not really the biggest continuity gaff ever. If it were the only thing that was off in the episode, it wouldn't be so bad. I think the problem is that there were lots of "little things" that were wrong in the ep and they all added up to make it less than ti could have been,


Well that's a reason right there.


It didn't come to him until a lot later, though. He never worked out that the siren was a healer until they were in the sickbay.

Going from "there's something weird about this ship" to "maybe she won't actually kill us when she appears to be killing us," is the sort of leap of logic the Doctor doesn't do. When he asked Amy and Avery to prick their fingers, he was talking all of "maybes" and "perhaps's."

He risked all their lives, including his own, on the off-chance they might not actually die. It was blind luck they wern't killed, rather than the Doctor's usual intelligence having worked it out. Throughout the whole episode, he'd been getting his theories wrong one after the other.


That explains why Amy - and possibly Avery - would do it, but not the Doctor himself.

Same thing happened in Amy's choice. He was willing to allow the pregnant Amy to drive to her death even though he wasn't certain which was the correct "reality"

Not quite - all through the episode, his theories had been getting better.

By his speech when they arrived on the alien ship, he was already aware that pocket universes can be perceptible across reflective surfaces - perhaps that's what gave him the clue that it was transportation, not disintegration?