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Old 09-05-2011, 14:46
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Thing is this isnt casualty or a documentry its a ficton show. I do understand where people are coming from but if we took everything litreley then we would never watch the show!!!
You are not reading my point.
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:48
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Not the point, it is unlikely he would have survived the technique but this is Hollywood CPR, some suspension of disbelief is in order I feel!
Good for you. I thought this required a bit much myself, which was my point. Especially when it would have been the work of moments to do something a little bit more realistic.
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:50
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I've got it!

The techniques Rory taught her were out of date because he qualified in 1990!
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:50
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also did you see the way they tried to open the sails in a storm it would have ripped the sails apart.

Also did you see the way they all had nice teeth

also did you see the way amy suddenly became a sword fighter

also did you see the way the woman with an eye patch turned up on a boat

also did you see the way there was an alien on a pirate ship....

COME ON GUYS ITS FICTION!!!!!!!

Actually they didn't (Lee Ross' teeth were all bad). I can't believe my lovely Kenny has turned bad.

Generally, I don't expect these things to be right (maybe in a medical drama, but not here).

Anyway, I don't know how to give CPR, but I would have given Rory CPR without any questions asked.
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:53
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I dunno, that Amy gets lots of things wrong.

Last series (young) Amelia got it for boiling baked beans, this series it is incorrect CPR.

Someone send the girl back to school!
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:55
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I dunno, that Amy gets lots of things wrong.

Last series (young) Amelia gets got it for boiling baked beans, this series it is incorrect CPR.

Someone send the girl back to school!
Unforgivable!
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Old 09-05-2011, 14:57
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So your're a first aider and a medical professional.

Being a medical professional does not make you knowledgable in first aid, as well you know!

I am a first aid instructor and have been 20years for SJA. I have never known any case where a rib cage is broken in CPR, it just does not happen in properly administered CPR.

And that web page simply says that bty performing CPR with more that 125 pound of pressure can increase the risk of fracture...any pressure can increase the risk of fracture depending on the circumstances, but this is not par for the course.

Bottom line, you do not have to break someone's rib cage to prove that CPR is done correctly. It is a myth that this happens, and it happens in only very small minority of cases when there are specific reasons for it to happen.

I am leaving the thread, but only because its getting silly in here!
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Old 09-05-2011, 15:03
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Actually they didn't (Lee Ross' teeth were all bad). I can't believe my lovely Kenny has turned bad.
I heard he was pretending to be bad to get the undercover scoop. Also, Colin asked if he could sneak back some of the treasure.

Generally, I don't expect these things to be right (maybe in a medical drama, but not here).

Anyway, I don't know how to give CPR, but I would have given Rory CPR without any questions asked.
To be fair, Rory does seem to give her only about two minutes of explanation and otherwise seem willing to trust that she can figure it out from having seen movies.
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Old 09-05-2011, 15:04
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Originally Posted by LInk
What if I crack a rib when I do CPR?

Frequently ribs are broken with the pressure CPR places on the sternum. Some studies quote up to 30% of cardiac arrest victims have broken ribs as a result of CPR. This happens more frequently the older the victim since the cartilage is less compliant and the bones more easily crackable. But remember, it's better to have a cracked rib than be dead.
Link here

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Old 09-05-2011, 15:05
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Before I comment, and I am bad at reading the signs, can someone confirm if this is a joke thread
I have to agree... I wasn't sure for a second if it was a joke or not... it seems it isn't
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Old 09-05-2011, 15:10
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It seems we reach a new low on here with every episode that airs
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Old 09-05-2011, 15:12
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So your're a first aider and a medical professional.

Being a medical professional does not make you knowledgable in first aid, as well you know!

I am a first aid instructor and have been 20years for SJA. I have never known any case where a rib cage is broken in CPR, it just does not happen in properly administered CPR.

And that web page simply says that bty performing CPR with more that 125 pound of pressure can increase the risk of fracture...any pressure can increase the risk of fracture depending on the circumstances, but this is not par for the course.

Bottom line, you do not have to break someone's rib cage to prove that CPR is done correctly. It is a myth that this happens, and it happens in only very small minority of cases when there are specific reasons for it to happen.

I am leaving the thread, but only because its getting silly in here!
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:05
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I'm sorry if there's already a thread on this, but I couldn't find one - I was shocked to see such an inaccurate portrayal of CPR in Doctor Who of all places, whose primary audience will have no first aid training. Anyone young watching is likely to imitate what is seen in a real-life resuscitation situation with no further knowledge to replace it for years yet, and the CPR Amy was doing would not maximise chances of survival.

The rhythm was wrong, there were no initial rescue breaths at the start (ESSENTIAL for drowning victims) and instead of the usual 30-2 pattern advised by Red Cross, SJA and so on, she seemed to follow the 'dramatic licence' pattern with 6-1, though I should state the scene would have still been the same length had it shown slightly more correct CPR. I was half-expecting them to bring it up in Confidential, but it was glossed right over there too.

I bring this up because I know shows like Casualty are pretty careful with first aid to only to show proper examples of first-aid techniques or not show them at all, as they are aware they can be imitated - as such it's a little surprising to see it done SO badly in a programme watched by a far wider audience with far less medical knowledge on average! In my opinion it should have been done properly or not at all - it should not be butchered for the sake of making a scene slightly more dramatic. Unless anyone can find a source that recommends the very strange compression cycle Amy used?
Reads like a Points Of View complaint , Karen was not portraying a trained medical professional or even a first aider, but a woman, who like most people, probably has no CPR training, panicking about her drowning husband.
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:21
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A person who has seen CPR performed on TV might well in time be required to perform it in a dangerous situation, even if they have no other training or knowledge of it. They won't be copying Amy's entirely, no, but the show gave the impression that it was the 'correct' way to do it, despite being quite fundamentally different than 'proper' CPR - showing incorrect CPR in place of 'proper' CPR only decreases the amount of people who can undertake it correctly in real life. How is that not a bad thing?



For all we know Amy has never had any first aid training, and wouldn't know what she was doing. She was doing the best that she knew and was lucky it worked at all.
OF COURSE her CPR was bad, she had only been explained the procedure a few minutes before.
I wasn't saying it was inconsistent with her character and situation, I was saying it was irresponsible of the show. Half the replies seem to be 'defending' the the actions of a fictional character - which is odd, because it was a clear production decision, this has nothing to do with whether it's believable that she would be bad at it. Believe it or not I'm not attacking a fictional character, I'm criticizing a production choice from a very real person somewhere.
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:32
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When I watched the Eleventh Hour, I didn't question the Doctor writing a virus on a mobile phone, let alone being able to distribute it to all systems in the world instantly, let alone distribute it to things that don't even have a network connection. I took that as artistic license.

Karen Gillan is not going to pound Arthur Darvill's ribcage so hard that there's a chance of it breaking, or cut off his air supply while breathing into his lungs. Nor is the Doctor going to show the source code he developed on-screen.

It's a fiction designed to progress the story.
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:45
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It's a fiction designed to progress the story.
The difference is, I don't expect them to know how to write a virus on a phone or to spend the time necessary to do the research. However there would have been someone on set that knew first aid so I don't think they would have had to have gone far to find someone to ask if it looked right. A bit lazy?
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:47
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This thread should have been called "Will someone please think of the children!!!"
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:50
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I am leaving the thread, but only because its getting silly in here!
To be fair, it was a bit silly from the start.

"Fictional TV show doesn't show CPR 100% accurately!"

Just sayin'!
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:51
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This thread should have been called "Will someone please think of the children!!!"
I thought you'd left this discussion? Any other wildly inaccurate medical advice to share with us?
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:52
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This thread should have been called "Will someone please think of the children!!!"


Coincidentally enough I have already said thats not the reason why I have problems with her CPR.
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Old 09-05-2011, 16:53
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This thread should have been called "Will someone please think of the children!!!"
**incinerates thread**
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:03
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:04
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I thought you'd left this discussion? Any other wildly inaccurate medical advice to share with us?
Yep, don't argue with SilentNate, he's a Medical Professional don't you know! We may as well all pack up and just hail SilentNate as the all knowing Oracle.

I left the thread because it was getting ridiculous, I just thought I'd see what other irrelevant comments were being posted. The thead is the forum eqivalent of a road crash.

I stand by my previous posts and maintaim that your posts are very pompous. Who cares what you do for a living.
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:05
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I thought you'd left this discussion? Any other wildly inaccurate medical advice to share with us?
Having looked through the links you've offered, as well as what other people have provided, I don't think either of you are in a position to be taking the high ground.
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:07
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Yep, don't argue with SilentNate, he's a Medical Professional don't you know! We may as well all pack up and just hail SilentNate as the all knowing Oracle.

I left the thread because it was getting ridiculous, I just thought I'd see what other irrelevant comments were being posted. The thead is the forum eqivalent of a road crash.

I stand by my previous posts and maintaim that your posts are very pompous. Who cares what you do for a living.
She.

I may be pompous buy you are very wrong
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