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Old 09-05-2011, 17:08
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Having looked through the links you've offered, as well as what other people have provided, I don't think either of you are in a position to be taking the high ground.
Wasn't trying to, just "originally" trying to maintain that it doesn't matter that Amy's CPR was inaccurate. I allowed myself to get drawn into digression and should've known better!
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:10
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She.

I may be pompous buy you are very wrong
Sorry about about "He" I don't normally assume.

As for the rest, that is your opinion as the links you provided were far fom conclusive!
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:19
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Sorry about about "He" I don't normally assume.

As for the rest, that is your opinion as the links you provided were far fom conclusive!
We were told not to worry it the ribs crack by our First Aid instructor. Should I print off you comments and report him for telling us this?
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:24
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I heard he was pretending to be bad to get the undercover scoop. Also, Colin asked if he could sneak back some of the treasure.
Ah good old Colin, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't sold the whole Universe to the Silence in order to start one of his mad schemes

To be fair, Rory does seem to give her only about two minutes of explanation and otherwise seem willing to trust that she can figure it out from having seen movies.
Must admit for once, I'm a bit puzzled about this thread. It would never have occured to me to question this. It's like Flashdance and the welding scene, although this seems to be more about whether the BBC were irresponsible to show wrong CPR (actual the only criticism about the CPR was that it was too soon over, she should have carried on much longer).

Anyway, CPR should be left to the professionals, nobody is going to look at Doctor Who and think, oh well that's how you do it. I certainly wouldn't want to start brain surgery just because I've seen it on Casualty or Holby (don't watch either so this might not be right).
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:31
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"Well m'lud I saw it on Holby City and thought I could get rid of my wife's aneurysm meself. It's all their fault really"
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:32
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We were told not to worry it the ribs crack by our First Aid instructor. Should I print off you comments and report him for telling us this?
Blimey. all I was arguing was that the comment saying unless you crack the ribs you are not doing it properly was a myth and that your comment that it was "very easy" to crack ribs doing CPR was not correct.

Not once have I said it doesn't happen! I just said it wasn't as common as some would lead you to believe, it is most in older people and also where people doing the CPR are very heavy.

I also said that in my experience it has never happend, you then tried to tell me I was wrong How do you know what my experience was.

I have not once told you you were wrong in that it doesn't happen, just not easily.

What I didn't go on to do was tell you about what my experience was because that was not the point.

Anyway, we have both hijacked this thread enough, lets draw a line now please
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:32
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Ah good old Colin, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't sold the whole Universe to the Silence in order to start one of his mad schemes



Must admit for once, I'm a bit puzzled about this thread. It would never have occured to me to question this. It's like Flashdance and the welding scene, although this seems to be more about whether the BBC were irresponsible to show wrong CPR (actual the only criticism about the CPR was that it was too soon over, she should have carried on much longer).

Anyway, CPR should be left to the professionals, nobody is going to look at Doctor Who and think, oh well that's how you do it. I certainly wouldn't want to start brain surgery just because I've seen it on Casualty or Holby (don't watch either so this might not be right).
That would fit in with my theory of Colin being the Big Bad, and also would explain that PG episode where he kept walking around in a rubbery alien suit and it was never explained why.

Let's hope that anyone actually performing CPR like Amy would be yanked away quickly by someone who knew how to do it.
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Old 09-05-2011, 17:56
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Blimey. all I was arguing was that the comment saying unless you crack the ribs you are not doing it properly was a myth and that your comment that it was "very easy" to crack ribs doing CPR was not correct.

Not once have I said it doesn't happen! I just said it wasn't as common as some would lead you to believe, it is most in older people and also where people doing the CPR are very heavy.

I also said that in my experience it has never happend, you then tried to tell me I was wrong How do you know what my experience was.

I have not once told you you were wrong in that it doesn't happen, just not easily.

What I didn't go on to do was tell you about what my experience was because that was not the point.

Anyway, we have both hijacked this thread enough, lets draw a line now please
Fair enough, I'm happy enough to leave this argument be.
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Old 09-05-2011, 18:24
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That would fit in with my theory of Colin being the Big Bad, and also would explain that PG episode where he kept walking around in a rubbery alien suit and it was never explained why.
I always knew Moffat was a genius, but this takes some serious committment and long time planning

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Let's hope that anyone actually performing CPR like Amy would be yanked away quickly by someone who knew how to do it.
Well if it comes to CPR or no CPR, then I would always go for CPR (regardless of how bad). Anyway, I wanted to see more of Rory's naked body, so I wasn't really watching the CPR

At least she did not boil beans at the same time as performing the CPR.

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Old 09-05-2011, 18:25
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...PrettyReliable

This scene gets a mention halfway down.
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Old 09-05-2011, 18:31
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All this thread proves is people will forever pick holes in Doctor Who, no matter the fact it's supposed to be a family sci fi show and may sacrifice some 'accuracies' for the sake of the story. I think they were possibly more worried about Karen cutting another actor in half than teaching her CPR for a scene that relied on her emotional connection with Rory rather than her medical attributes.
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Old 09-05-2011, 22:59
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I've read this. And lost all hope in humanity.

Apart from sensible ppl like Lach etc who try and get it through your skulls that ITS A FICTIONAL KIDS TV PROGRAM.
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Old 10-05-2011, 00:18
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I'm sorry if there's already a thread on this, but I couldn't find one - I was shocked to see such an inaccurate portrayal of CPR in Doctor Who of all places, whose primary audience will have no first aid training. Anyone young watching is likely to imitate what is seen in a real-life resuscitation situation with no further knowledge to replace it for years yet, and the CPR Amy was doing would not maximise chances of survival.

The rhythm was wrong, there were no initial rescue breaths at the start (ESSENTIAL for drowning victims) and instead of the usual 30-2 pattern advised by Red Cross, SJA and so on, she seemed to follow the 'dramatic licence' pattern with 6-1, though I should state the scene would have still been the same length had it shown slightly more correct CPR. I was half-expecting them to bring it up in Confidential, but it was glossed right over there too.

I bring this up because I know shows like Casualty are pretty careful with first aid to only to show proper examples of first-aid techniques or not show them at all, as they are aware they can be imitated - as such it's a little surprising to see it done SO badly in a programme watched by a far wider audience with far less medical knowledge on average! In my opinion it should have been done properly or not at all - it should not be butchered for the sake of making a scene slightly more dramatic. Unless anyone can find a source that recommends the very strange compression cycle Amy used?
so we should rely on a fantasy show like Dr Who to teach kids CPR now??!! Come on, how absurd. Unless a kid just happened to need to use CPR within an hour or so of watching the episode (quite unlikely!) they wouldn't remember even if it was 100% accurately detailed. SOME PEOPLE DRIVE ME MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-05-2011, 00:48
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Blimey.....3 pages really........bugger knows what will happen when Rory breaks a fingernail in the next episode....10 pages of "how the nail file would never have fixed that"
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:40
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Maybe Rory really *did* need a bunch of air pumped into his stomach...
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Old 10-05-2011, 03:48
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Although to be honest, I was more annoyed by the pointless scene than the incorrect CPR. There was no drama in it, since everyone watching has seen this exact scene a billion times before, right down to the "patient magically resuscitates himself after CPR-giver gives up". The only thing it was missing was some chest punching and someone shouting "live, damn you, live!"
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:21
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Blimey.....3 pages really........bugger knows what will happen when Rory breaks a fingernail in the next episode....10 pages of "how the nail file would never have fixed that"
That's DS for you.
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Old 10-05-2011, 04:42
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My nurse of a mum was screaming at the TV how wrong she was doing it and how it should be 30 compressions in a row not 5. It was quite funny. The not pinching the nose thing was quite bizzare, even if your just copying what you've seen on TV you know you have to pinch the nose somewhere along the line (that goes for both Karen and Amy).

Of course it's more the fact that Amy still managed to bring Rory around while doing it so wrong, rather than Amy actually getting it wrong on her first go is what I imagine is annoying some people. Rory should be dead. But you know it's a Sci-fi drama show, nothing to get too upset about really is it.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:24
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Blimey.....3 pages really........bugger knows what will happen when Rory breaks a fingernail in the next episode....10 pages of "how the nail file would never have fixed that"
I disagree.

It should have been an emery board.

How could they let a mistake like that get to air?

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Old 10-05-2011, 09:01
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Blimey.....3 pages really........bugger knows what will happen when Rory breaks a fingernail in the next episode....10 pages of "how the nail file would never have fixed that"
Unfortunately it got a bit side tracked!

I think most of the "on topic" remarks where pretty much on the same line though ie It's not real?!?!?
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:34
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I am just sorry that someone reminded us of the boiling of the beans. Can the woman get nothing right? No wonder her "making a cake" thing was plausible only in Rory's dream.
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:29
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I wasn't saying it was inconsistent with her character and situation, I was saying it was irresponsible of the show.
What is your stance on Amy wielding a cutlass in a confined space full of trip hazards and slippery surfaces and other people?

Is this not an irresponsible production decision? Shouldn't Amy have been seen to be given proper training in the safe use of bladed weapons in a combat environment? There is clearly a danger that a child might pick up a sword or cutlass and cause injury to themselves or someone else through incorrect usage because they saw Amy do it on Doctor Who.

It's disgraceful!
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:43
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What is your stance on Amy wielding a cutlass in a confined space full of trip hazards and slippery surfaces and other people?

Is this not an irresponsible production decision? Shouldn't Amy have been seen to be given proper training in the safe use of bladed weapons in a combat environment? There is clearly a danger that a child, might pick up a sword or cutlass and cause injury to themselves or someone else through incorrect usage because they saw Amy do it on Doctor Who.
The two things are not comparable.

One is something that anyone with the slightest intelligence knows is dangerous and would be unlikely to suddenly undertake in an extremely stressful situation.

CPR, on the other hand is something that anyone might need to do and if they do it will be under extreme stress.

Having said that, it's unlikely that someone doing it Amy's way would worsen the situation.

What the BBC should have done was broadcast some information after the programme on how to get proper training. (As they should after any programme showing someone administering potentially life saving first aid.) They make such PSA's when other programme occurrences warrant it.
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:46
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You have to be ******* kidding me. Make a pubic service announcement about how to do CPR?

People are absolutely ridiculous. IT'S A TV SHOW! GET A LIFE!!!
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:52
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