Z Nation to have a television movie that will act as a bridge from season 2 to 3.
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Originally Posted by malcy30:
“With the Veronica Mars film virtually all reward levels included a digital copy, DVD or blu-ray and you received these IIRC slightly before the retail release but after the cinema. For UK backers they even had to give you US sourced blu-rays if you went for that reward as Warner only released it on DVD to UK retail.
However some of these TV and film ones can be a disaster. I backed Elstree 1977 which is a documentary about some of the extras from the original Star Wars movie. They filmed at Elstree studios hence the title.
That has turned into a disaster as the producers did not budget enough for post protection and legal costs given its Star Wars so very problematic with Disney so ran out of cash and had to sell the rights globally. They then screwed the Kickstarter backers by not reading the small print of the deal which means that backers can only receive a retail DVD or blu-ray so they have to sell rights in your country first. The problem is they can't seem able to sell rights in UK so we are in limbo on getting our disks. The film was screened at the 2015 London Film Festival in October of that year, their best hope now is possibly a UK cinema release in January 2017 so we get our disks in April to June 2017 but even that only seems to be the hope of an earliest possible date.”
“With the Veronica Mars film virtually all reward levels included a digital copy, DVD or blu-ray and you received these IIRC slightly before the retail release but after the cinema. For UK backers they even had to give you US sourced blu-rays if you went for that reward as Warner only released it on DVD to UK retail.
However some of these TV and film ones can be a disaster. I backed Elstree 1977 which is a documentary about some of the extras from the original Star Wars movie. They filmed at Elstree studios hence the title.
That has turned into a disaster as the producers did not budget enough for post protection and legal costs given its Star Wars so very problematic with Disney so ran out of cash and had to sell the rights globally. They then screwed the Kickstarter backers by not reading the small print of the deal which means that backers can only receive a retail DVD or blu-ray so they have to sell rights in your country first. The problem is they can't seem able to sell rights in UK so we are in limbo on getting our disks. The film was screened at the 2015 London Film Festival in October of that year, their best hope now is possibly a UK cinema release in January 2017 so we get our disks in April to June 2017 but even that only seems to be the hope of an earliest possible date.”
Thanks for the information. If all you generally get out of it is a copy of the DVD or Blu-Ray then it’s quite an expensive deal for a backer (something like £100 for a DVD!). But I suppose these aren’t the sort of things you invest in to make money, you invest for the love of the cause and hopefully get something you like produced (even at a considerable cost).
I’m not surprised most of these Kickstarter campaigns are disasters though. I can see a lot of people donating money and getting absolutely nothing in return.
As for your ‘investment’, Elstree 1977 sounds like quite an interesting film. I have no interest in Star Wars in particular but I am always interested in the history of the British film industry (and have been to Elstree Studios a few times). However given its niche appeal and legal issues (with Disney) I’m not surprised its had/having trouble. At least it’s actually been produced though (which I suspect is an achievement itself with most Kickstarter campaigns), so hopefully you’ll get to see it sometime. If you don’t mind me asking, how much did you invest?
I can’t see myself getting involved in such a Kickstarter campaign unless it’s something I really feel strong about. If I want to feel involved in the process I’ll stick to partaking in Amazon’s pilot season. I know it’s not quite the same, but it does allow you to get involved in which programmes go into production, and then define and influence the future of the programme by completing a survey.
Originally Posted by malcy30:
“With the Veronica Mars film virtually all reward levels included a digital copy, DVD or blu-ray and you received these IIRC slightly before the retail release but after the cinema. For UK backers they even had to give you US sourced blu-rays if you went for that reward as Warner only released it on DVD to UK retail.
However some of these TV and film ones can be a disaster. I backed Elstree 1977 which is a documentary about some of the extras from the original Star Wars movie. They filmed at Elstree studios hence the title.
That has turned into a disaster as the producers did not budget enough for post protection and legal costs given its Star Wars so very problematic with Disney so ran out of cash and had to sell the rights globally. They then screwed the Kickstarter backers by not reading the small print of the deal which means that backers can only receive a retail DVD or blu-ray so they have to sell rights in your country first. The problem is they can't seem able to sell rights in UK so we are in limbo on getting our disks. The film was screened at the 2015 London Film Festival in October of that year, their best hope now is possibly a UK cinema release in January 2017 so we get our disks in April to June 2017 but even that only seems to be the hope of an earliest possible date.”
“With the Veronica Mars film virtually all reward levels included a digital copy, DVD or blu-ray and you received these IIRC slightly before the retail release but after the cinema. For UK backers they even had to give you US sourced blu-rays if you went for that reward as Warner only released it on DVD to UK retail.
However some of these TV and film ones can be a disaster. I backed Elstree 1977 which is a documentary about some of the extras from the original Star Wars movie. They filmed at Elstree studios hence the title.
That has turned into a disaster as the producers did not budget enough for post protection and legal costs given its Star Wars so very problematic with Disney so ran out of cash and had to sell the rights globally. They then screwed the Kickstarter backers by not reading the small print of the deal which means that backers can only receive a retail DVD or blu-ray so they have to sell rights in your country first. The problem is they can't seem able to sell rights in UK so we are in limbo on getting our disks. The film was screened at the 2015 London Film Festival in October of that year, their best hope now is possibly a UK cinema release in January 2017 so we get our disks in April to June 2017 but even that only seems to be the hope of an earliest possible date.”
Wasn't it released in the US a couple of months ago?
Originally Posted by dodrade:
“Wasn't it released in the US a couple of months ago?”
“Wasn't it released in the US a couple of months ago?”
Yes Elstree 1977 was released in the US a few months ago as a limited cinema release and then almost immediately retail DVD and BD. It actually had its first wide scale release in Australia in January via iTunes and on DVD. I recently bought the Australian DVD so I could actually watch it new via eBay for only £8.
As I said in my OP the producers ran out of cash in post production which meant they sold global rights to a marketing company who are then trying to sell rights country by country. Now as you say this means it has been released in Australia and US it is out there but in UK nothing. The producers say they can't comment but it looks like the people they sold it to want more cash for UK rights than the various distribution companies are willing to pay hence it's in limbo here. Then as I said the small print of the deal the producers signed meant backers in a country can't get their disks until it appears at retail hence no clue when or if we will ever get the disks promised for the UK.
Regarding the question on cost I think the BD was £25 so you are giving away around £10 to help fund the production. This was similar to the Thunderbirds 1965 project I backed one of the few success stories of movies / TV on crowd funding. That was initially £20 for DVD or £25 on BD as an early bird but most backers were £5 more and they did a finally sale of disks right at the end for £5 on top of that so £30/£35.
Actually a lot of the costs are covered by the few mega expensive rewards like tickets to premiere, autographs etc as they are making only £5 or so per disk for funding the show.
I think with Veronica Mars the disks were much more expensive but not the £100 quoted above as a big chunk of what you paid funded the production. I think the closest example today is the Star Trek Axanar fan movie which is now in rights hell as they are being sued by CBS. Think that was around $100 for the disk so a very big chunk of the cost was to cover production. I believe that is where CBS got cheesed off as the producers were using the crowd funding to make a quasi commercial Star Trek film and to build their own studios for other future productions. So not like many of these were the people making them are fans working on a shoe string like my Elstree 1977 example.
I'm only getting downloads of the 14 new episodes and 12 old episodes, a t-shirt and a coffee mug for my troubles regarding mst3k. However I don't begrudge them the money as I've had dozens of hours of free entertainment watching the old episodes on you tube. I suppose I would be slightly peeved if the new episodes are on Netflix before the backers get them though.
Crowd funding for this sort of thing can be controversial, the film Anomalisa was supposed to be a short for kickstarter backers only until Paramount expressed interest in it as a feature, at which point the crowdfunding became irrelevant & the backers were waiting years to see the film.
If you wanted to watch old mst3k, I recommend-
Space Mutiny
Manos: The Hands of Fate
Hobgoblins
Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
The Crawling Eye
Mitchell
Santa Claus
Devil Fish
Among many others. They're all on youtube
Crowd funding for this sort of thing can be controversial, the film Anomalisa was supposed to be a short for kickstarter backers only until Paramount expressed interest in it as a feature, at which point the crowdfunding became irrelevant & the backers were waiting years to see the film.
If you wanted to watch old mst3k, I recommend-
Space Mutiny
Manos: The Hands of Fate
Hobgoblins
Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
The Crawling Eye
Mitchell
Santa Claus
Devil Fish
Among many others. They're all on youtube
The Summer TCA's begin today. This is when networks discuss in front of journalists about their network, their shows and the future. Going by previous years, there is always renewals and cancellations announced.
First up is Netflix.
First up is Netflix.
AMAZON PRIME order The Last Tycoon to series
Netlfix pick up Ozark, a show starring Laura Linney about the world of drug money laundering.
Netlfix pick up Ozark, a show starring Laura Linney about the world of drug money laundering.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Narcos rumoured to be ending after season 2”
“Narcos rumoured to be ending after season 2”
They can't really drag that one out can they, everyone knows the ending.
Originally Posted by Maccadanny:
“They can't really drag that one out can they, everyone knows the ending.”
“They can't really drag that one out can they, everyone knows the ending.”
Yeah i was thinking that
Plus
Spoiler
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“AMAZON PRIME order The Last Tycoon to series”
“AMAZON PRIME order The Last Tycoon to series”
Really good news, I really liked the pilot.
Deadline are also reporting that Amazon's only other drama pilot this season, The Interestings, is not going forward.
An even better Columbian production about Escobar is on Netflix.
'Pablo Escobar: El Patron del mal'. It is over 70 episodes in length and goes into great detail about all of his life. IMO it is even better than the Netflix production and well worth watching.
'Pablo Escobar: El Patron del mal'. It is over 70 episodes in length and goes into great detail about all of his life. IMO it is even better than the Netflix production and well worth watching.
Originally Posted by Maccadanny:
“An even better Columbian production about Escobar is on Netflix.
'Pablo Escobar: El Patron del mal'. It is over 70 episodes in length and goes into great detail about all of his life. IMO it is even better than the Netflix production and well worth watching.”
“An even better Columbian production about Escobar is on Netflix.
'Pablo Escobar: El Patron del mal'. It is over 70 episodes in length and goes into great detail about all of his life. IMO it is even better than the Netflix production and well worth watching.”
It probs is better as it had 70 episodes so the writers could take their time. In this show's case, they chose to only do 10 episodes per season. therefore rushing and glossing over details. Sometimes short episode orders are not always the best thing.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Amazon Prime UK pick up Life In Pieces. All episodes are available right now.”
“Amazon Prime UK pick up Life In Pieces. All episodes are available right now.”
That's good news, i lost track of that one, i can now give it another go.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Amazon Prime UK pick up Life In Pieces. All episodes are available right now.”
“Amazon Prime UK pick up Life In Pieces. All episodes are available right now.”
Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the first time Amazon have picked up a 30 minute sitcom from a major US network as one of their ‘Amazon Exclusives’. It’ll be interesting to see if they start picking up any other sitcoms from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox (which traditionally find a UK home on E4, Sky One, Comedy Central etc.)
Originally Posted by NoEntry2k:
“Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the first time Amazon have picked up a 30 minute sitcom from a major US network as one of their ‘Amazon Exclusives’. It’ll be interesting to see if they start picking up any other sitcoms from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox (which traditionally find a UK home on E4, Sky One, Comedy Central etc.)”
“Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the first time Amazon have picked up a 30 minute sitcom from a major US network as one of their ‘Amazon Exclusives’. It’ll be interesting to see if they start picking up any other sitcoms from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox (which traditionally find a UK home on E4, Sky One, Comedy Central etc.)”
I think you are right actually.
Originally Posted by NoEntry2k:
“Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the first time Amazon have picked up a 30 minute sitcom from a major US network as one of their ‘Amazon Exclusives’. It’ll be interesting to see if they start picking up any other sitcoms from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox (which traditionally find a UK home on E4, Sky One, Comedy Central etc.)”
“Unless I’m mistaken, it’s the first time Amazon have picked up a 30 minute sitcom from a major US network as one of their ‘Amazon Exclusives’. It’ll be interesting to see if they start picking up any other sitcoms from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox (which traditionally find a UK home on E4, Sky One, Comedy Central etc.)”
It's good to see Sky getting some competition at last with regards to US network pick-ups. Amazon also picked up the 30min sitcom 'Casual' from Hulu, that is well worth watching.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Z Nation to have a television movie that will act as a bridge from season 2 to 3.”
“Z Nation to have a television movie that will act as a bridge from season 2 to 3.”
That's brilliant news. When? Season 3 must be going in a new direction from season 2
Originally Posted by big brother 9:
“That's brilliant news. When? Season 3 must be going in a new direction from season 2”
“That's brilliant news. When? Season 3 must be going in a new direction from season 2”
No word on a premiere date. I will post it for you if i hear.
Originally Posted by Maccadanny:
“It's good to see Sky getting some competition at last with regards to US network pick-ups. Amazon also picked up the 30min sitcom 'Casual' from Hulu, that is well worth watching.”
“It's good to see Sky getting some competition at last with regards to US network pick-ups. Amazon also picked up the 30min sitcom 'Casual' from Hulu, that is well worth watching.”
I am planning on binging both seasons of Casual once Season 2 has finished. I have heard great things about it. Plus it stars one of my fav tv actresses, the amazing Frances Conroy.
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