Hopefully. It was a terrible idea for a show and a waste of the actor.

Really? Isn't Bull doing fine? Last I heard it was outrating the likes of Mom, Odd Couple and other sitcoms.

Bull is doing just fine but as i said in my own cancellation/renewal post above, i think it's too early to decide Bull's fate.

Really good grief, I thought that was a shoe in for multiple seasons.

USA have ordered a pilot for a new crime series called Unsolved. The show will be about the unsolved murders of TuPac and Notorious BIG.

TuPac aint dead! He be livin' with MJ and Prince in some illuminati mansion right.

Haha. Sounds believable.

I really like Bosch (2 series on Amazon currently) and Man in the High Tower,( series 2 starting at Christmas) both based on books and both very good.

Bosch is one of the most amazing series to come out in recent years in my opinion.

Bull isn't in danger of being cancelled Its CBS 2nd highest rated Drama, Is it Helped by NCIS being its Lead In? for sure Yes but thats the perk of being in that spot and it actually holds the demo fairly well out of NCIS

CBS isn't known for cleaning house and only cancel a few dramas a season, Pure Genuis is certain we all agree on, Code Black is about 90% certain as we all agree on as well, they may only cancel one other show and Bull is well behind the likes of CM:BB, Elementary heck even Criminal Minds is more at risk then Bull and they wont cancel every new show this season

Bull is almost certain to come back barring something very very bizarre ratings collapse to fractional or some other behind the scenes stuff

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I have watched the first couple of episodes and the second was worse than the second. It started of with 15.4 million viewers and after only 4 episodes has dropped to 11.6 million.

Personally I always liked Michael Weatherly in NCIS and my wife was a huge fan but the chemistry isn't the same on NCIS, the storylines are pretty weak and perhaps Michael Weatherly thought so too. Losing 4 million viewers after only 4 episodes may not worry CBS but it obviously is a big disappointment to 25% of those who tuned in and to be honest probably did so because of Michael Weatherly.

But hey, that's TV sometimes you just get tired of the same old formulas, my wife hasn't missed an episode of NCIS has 4 or 5 box sets but over the last season she just became tired of it. What has happened however is with Netflix and Amazon making new original content there is some great new stuff being produced and as I said earlier Goliath and Night Of have been two of my favourite shows all year. I loved Stranger Things and the Marvel series on Netflix. There is just so many more new avenues open to everyone and maybe that is presenting a new slant on the usual crime/law/medical formulas that have gone before. Would Bond have gone in the direction it has if Bourne hadn't come around?

We don't spend anymore time watching TV but we spend our time better watching really good stuff rather than sticking with stuff that is growing tired or new stuff like Bull for us doesn't work. God forbid Mark Harmon jumps ship and tries something new that is just as forgettable as Bull because he is one of my wife's favourite actors.

Which is a weak argument to use for a show on why it should be cancelled. But i already explained that to you in another thread.

Perhaps you may also have read that I said hopefully It is my personal opinion and obviously shared by millions of others. The first reply agreed with me. I thought that this forum was for open and honest discussion where people could give their views including one that "hopes" a show is cancelled. I have already pointed out that even despite having far more alternative viewing options such as Netflix and Amazon I don't watch more, I just watch better and I do think there are many like me that are more discerning and to be honest more satisfied by what is now being produced.

By all means Bull may settle around 9-10 million viewers, it may be successful in the eyes of CBS and they may order a second season but if they do and the figures drop to around 6-7 million will it have been the right decision. No UK broadcaster has picked it up as yet. Are they hedging their bets too?

This forum is open to all views. Whether you want Bull cancelled or not, doesn't bother me. My issue with what you said is that you keep referring to the 4 million decrease in the ratings as your argument for the show to be cancelled. But viewers are irrelevant. US ratings are different. They go by demo. And that isn't an opinion. That is actually a fact. And at the moment, Bull is doing well in the demos. Myself and a few others have said this. But you haven't taken note of that and you are still using the same argument. But its an argument that doesn't make sense.

Even if Bull does drop to 6-7 million, that still doesn't mean it will be cancelled, as long as the demo's are fine.

Am I to assume you live in the UK? Why would you hope something gets canned when it doesn't even air there? It's not like it's clogging up your TV, lol.

Is it really that significant that it hasn't been picked up here yet. I will say I find it surprising no one has. I would have thought Micheal Weatherly was enough to get someone to take a chance on it.

Maybe when the UK people had a look at it they saw something they didn't like. Maybe they are hedging their bets. Maybe the likes of Sky haven't got the budget, maybe they think they've got enough.

Perhaps UKTV has been caught out too often or again they dont think they have a spot for it. Which surprises me as they've lost a lot of their 'first run' US imports just recently.

Okay Okay settle down. I gave an opinion you disagreed, I offered a different opinion, that's what makes the world go round, that's what forums such as these are for. But your final sentence I would challenge you on. If the viewing figures fall to 6-7 million then there will be a very strong case to cancel it. Viewing figures in this instance will be very relevant, correct me if I'm wrong aren't viewing figures relevant to ad revenue?

Perhaps if you read the whole of my post and perhaps answered the whole of my post rather than one part of it you will also see in what context I made my views, most importantly that we have more choice from so many outlets and that new productions especially in crime, law and medical dramas are becoming stronger and there may be a shift to these. We should all want stronger productions and less of tired formats.

My wife has never missed an episode of NCIS, bought 4 or 5 box serts, Mark Harmon is one of her all time favourite actors but has given up on NCIS. She loves Michael Weatherly and couldn't wait to see Bull but she was so disappointed. How many of those 4 million who have stopped watching are like my wife, who wanted to watch because of Michael Weatherly but were just as disappointed. The first two episodes were so poor we can't watch anymore and I doubt any of those 4 million will return either.

Traditional TV and cable have been challenged, the arrival of Netflix and Amazon and indeed the revamped Hulu has not only given us more choice but it has raised the game of traditional cable and TV too. I won't be alone in not sticking with formats that grow tired, I won't be alone in being more discerning about what I am watching and that is my real point. I want CBS, Fox and others to up their game and I want them to make a bigger effort. US Cable has lost 6.7 million subscribers over the last 5 years, in the first three quarters of this year it has lost a further 670,000. ITV reported yesterday that ad revenue was down 4% in the third quarter and expect a drop of 7% in the next quarter. Ad revenue and subscriptions determine how much cable and TV can spend.

Some of the best television ran it's course and went out at the top, West Wing, Sopranos, ER, The Wire, they were brilliant and my favourites but had they still been running even I may have been disappointed had they just changed the scenery but not the story and production, I hope Game of Thrones stays strong and doesn't wilt and it's audience lose interest. That is the context I made my comment, perhaps you could answer that part too or at least understand my point in the context of my overall post where I and others don't want to watch more TV but better TV.

"Settle down". Who on earth do you think you are? Really?

You can challenge me all you like regarding demo's and ratings and the connection to ad revenue, but what i said is shut down and ignored.

My posts about demos and your posts about stronger productions and less tired formats have no connections to one another, which is why i didn't reply to it. So i did read your posts. I didn't post to them because it had no relevance to what i was trying politely to discuss you with. I tried very hard to try and engage in a polite and kind discussion with you. But you have come across as very dismissive and damn right rude.

I think there are more pressures than ever before, BBC are having to drastically cut services, SKY are cutting back on SKY News and are trying to negotiate lower deals with third party channels, ITV have reported a 4% drop in ad revenue over the last quarter and more worryingly are reporting that there is likely to be a 7% drop in their next quarter. Some have said that Netflix and Amazon don't impact on linear TV and traditional viewing, they do and as they grow will have an affect on revenue for SKY too as they have done in the US. US cable enjoyed decades of a cosy cartel but has been broken up because Netflix offered something different, changed viewing habits, introduced binge watching but most important of all broke the system. I have friends and family there and they save lots of dollars because they have dropped the whole cable package and now subscribe to HBO, Netflix and a few others. SKY have relaunched NOW TV have put a bigger marketing budget behind it, it has to have an impact if people can have the best of SKY for a lot less than the satellite option, can opt in and out as I do with Netflix and Amazon.

As I have said and sorry if I am repeating what I have posted to littlemonster we have more choice not to spend more time watching more but becoming more discerning about what we watch and looking for stronger content. The pressure for the UK industry is that decisions taken on what to buy are far more important than at anytime before and they will be watching carefully the reaction to some of these latest shows before buying them.

I am not challenging you, I certainly am not being rude even though I said settle down but only did so in reply to what you posted below in an earlier reply to me. I'm sorry if you took offence.


You have made your point, you disagree with mine but I made my points in a particular context which was relevant to my post. In the reply above you took one sentence out of my overall post which is out of context with the points I made. Anyone can take a sentence, a point made and describe it how they want but once again I made these points about viewing figures because they were relevant to my overall post.

If you really believe that stronger productions and tired formats have no connection to one another then maybe we should open a new thread and discuss it with a much wider audience. My bet is that today with more choice, stronger production and people haven't got the time or even want to spend more time watching TV will watch higher quality shows and less tired formats, they will be more discerning about what they watch, what they pay for.

Yes I live in the UK and generally US shows like Bull will come here and we are discussing cancelled shows. My wife was looking forward to it but was hugely disappointed in it. My view is that more stonger shows are being produced many people such as me have limited time to watch things so I want money going into procucing quality rather than quantity. As I pointed out earlier my favourite series all bowed out at the top, Sopranos, West Wing, The Wire, ER. I would have been really disappointed if they had run and run and became a pale shadow of what they once were.

I was merely expressing surprise, I mean Sky have taken Conviction and other shows this season, ITV has plumped for Lethal Weapon, as you say the BBC has got to cut more from elsewhere so why not imports. Channel 4 has opted for Timeless, I think. Can't think of anything off the top of my head that Channel 5 have brought in new from the US. So there has been money around that could have opted for Bull, but no one has, yet.

I'm not getting into this whole broadcast/streaming/download/whatever little tiff going on.

But my original point that even I seem to have ignored is that. The show not being taken up by any UK broadcaster would have virtually no effect on whether a major network continues with a show or not. And that is only my own very, very humble opinion.

Yes I agree whether a show is taken up by a UK broadcaster won't really have mpact on it continuing in the US or not.