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leeowls87
11-11-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“. But your final sentence I would challenge you on. If the viewing figures fall to 6-7 million then there will be a very strong case to cancel it. Viewing figures in this instance will be very relevant, correct me if I'm wrong aren't viewing figures relevant to ad revenue?”

In a word No

Viewing figurus in The US mean nothing, If a show gets a demo of 2.0 and 6 million viewers and another show gets a 1.2 but 10 million viewers the show skewing younger at the 2.0 demo would be more celebrated and renewed over the older skewing 1.2 show every time

Look at Empire it gets 3+ in the demo (this week aside) yet only really gets 8-9 million viewers, Blue Bloods gets 1.1-1.3 in the demos and is (well until this season anyway) was always around 11-12 Million viewers

All Networks would take the Empire numbers over Blue Bloods 100% time

It's all about the age of the people watching not the numbers watching

As for the rest of this debate about quality etc I'm not sure anyone's arguing with you about that but that wasn't anything to do with the original discussion we were having about Bull being renewed or not, the show may be awful (I haven't actually seen it yet) but if the demos are good then that's all that matters to CBS
brianeccleston
12-11-2016
Well i see their has been some rather lively debate in the last day

As has been pointed out. The US market and the UK market are very different in that total viewers have very little meaning at all in the US as it is the demo that is the thing that matters. If a show does not have a reasonable demo then it is highly likely it will be cancelled.

Yes their is exceptions at time but it almost never has anything to do with total viewers. CBS renewed Code Black for this season despite the fact it's demo was rather awful last year, this was purely down to the fact they wanted to keep a medical show on the network. My gut feeling up until last week was despite its demo this year it would probably still stayed on, unless they found something else. However after they fed a new episode against the baseball i find it unlikely, but nothing would surprise me.

As for Bull which seems to have started the lively debate off. CBS will see it as a success. Its getting a good demo (what matters) it holds well for its slot and lead-in. Also they were desparate to keep MW as he had offers from other Networks. If it continues as it is and MW is happy doing it, it will be almost guaranteed a season 2.
brianeccleston
12-11-2016
Some news and apologies if its been posted.

Freeform have cancelled the series order for Nicki. As had been said previous it had been postponed due to certain things in her family and i said i thought it may well be dropped. The official line now is that it is being re-developed. But im sticking with my thought that it will not happen and this is just a way of getting to that situation.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/10/nic...-date-set.html

Freeform are also looking at a winter 2018 premiere for Marvel's Cloak and Dagger that it ordered straight to series in April. They are rewriting the initial script.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/clo...ng-winter.html

The Passage - Vampire Drama Receives Pilot Production Commitment at FOX

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/the...-receives.html

Criminal Magic - Magical Crime Drama from iZombie Producers in Development at The CW

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/cri...rama-from.html
little-monster
12-11-2016
Criminal Magic sounds good.

I was actually looking forward to the Nicki show. But then i end up never liking most of Freeforms programming anyway.
koantemplation
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Criminal Magic sounds good.

I was actually looking forward to the Nicki show. But then i end up never liking most of Freeforms programming anyway.”

I'm not sure if it has been done before but I would like to see a 'Now You See Me' type show, where Magicians are hired by the Police or the FBI/CIA to set criminals up and capture them.

That's what the title 'Criminal Magic' brought to mind for me.
little-monster
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I'm not sure if it has been done before but I would like to see a 'Now You See Me' type show, where Magicians are hired by the Police or the FBI/CIA to set criminals up and capture them.

That's what the title 'Criminal Magic' brought to mind for me.”

I haven't seen that film but that does sound good for a tv show
little-monster
12-11-2016
http://www.gamenguide.com/articles/6...ed-in-2017.htm
The future of Netflix's Marco Polo is in doubt.
brianeccleston
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I'm not sure if it has been done before but I would like to see a 'Now You See Me' type show, where Magicians are hired by the Police or the FBI/CIA to set criminals up and capture them.

That's what the title 'Criminal Magic' brought to mind for me.”

I agree that was what i thought until i read the info. Think if done right a "Now You See Me" type show would be good.
David_Flett1
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by brianeccleston:
“Well i see their has been some rather lively debate in the last day

As has been pointed out. The US market and the UK market are very different in that total viewers have very little meaning at all in the US as it is the demo that is the thing that matters. If a show does not have a reasonable demo then it is highly likely it will be cancelled.

Yes their is exceptions at time but it almost never has anything to do with total viewers. CBS renewed Code Black for this season despite the fact it's demo was rather awful last year, this was purely down to the fact they wanted to keep a medical show on the network. My gut feeling up until last week was despite its demo this year it would probably still stayed on, unless they found something else. However after they fed a new episode against the baseball i find it unlikely, but nothing would surprise me.

As for Bull which seems to have started the lively debate off. CBS will see it as a success. Its getting a good demo (what matters) it holds well for its slot and lead-in. Also they were desparate to keep MW as he had offers from other Networks. If it continues as it is and MW is happy doing it, it will be almost guaranteed a season 2.”

I take your point and I acknowledge the same point made by littlemonster. Perhaps my personal view and which in all honesty should start a separate thread is that we have a rich seam of new original content from more providers will more people give up on an average new show and even give up on shows they have followed for so many seasons if they too become tired. As I mentioned earlier we don't spend more time watching more but we're more discerning in what we watch. So maybe the questions I should be asking everyone and if you wish it to be in a new thread feel free to move it.

Are you becoming more discerning on what you watch with so many more avenues open to you?

Do you give up on new shows earlier as a consequence of more being available?

Do you stick with a show that you may feel has run it's course or do you stick to it because of your loyalty to the show or your favourite stars?

With Netflix, Amazon, the revamped Hulu investing heavily in content, traditional players raising their game too is this a new golden age?
koantemplation
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by brianeccleston:
“I agree that was what i thought until i read the info. Think if done right a "Now You See Me" type show would be good.”

I'm not sure if 'Leverage' might be a bit too similar, having thought about it.

But hopefully it could be different enough, especially if it was 'magic' (not supernatural magic BTW) that was used rather than con tricks.
brianeccleston
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“I'm not sure if 'Leverage' might be a bit too similar, having thought about it.

But hopefully it could be different enough, especially if it was 'magic' (not supernatural magic BTW) that was used rather than con tricks.”

I would say Leverage was different as it was more the con tricks. Lets face it was an American version of the UK Hustle with certain things changed so that it was not a rip-off
David_Flett1
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I haven't seen that film but that does sound good for a tv show”

You should definitely see the first, original and clever but the second was very disappointing and I agree with koantamplation it would make a good TV show.
little-monster
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“You should definitely see the first, original and clever but the second was very disappointing and I agree with koantamplation it would make a good TV show.”

Thanks
Baz_James
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“With Netflix, Amazon, the revamped Hulu investing heavily in content, traditional players raising their game too is this a new golden age?”

Surely one of the requirements for a golden age is shared experience, ie. mass audiences and scheduled broadcasts. It's difficult to see how it can be a true golden age if you're unable to discuss a programme the next day because of the risk of spoilers for people who won't watch the show for another six months and incomprehension from people who don't happen to subscribe to a particular service. I hate what Netflix and Amazon and Hulu and Sky has done to fragment television and isolate viewers. It's like going to the cinema to find that you can only watch the film if you sit in a single soundproof pod and sign a non-disclosure agreement.
David_Flett1
12-11-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Surely one of the requirements for a golden age is shared experience, ie. mass audiences and scheduled broadcasts. It's difficult to see how it can be a true golden age if you're unable to discuss a programme the next day because of the risk of spoilers for people who won't watch the show for another six months and incomprehension from people who don't happen to subscribe to a particular service. I hate what Netflix and Amazon and Hulu and Sky has done to fragment television and isolate viewers. It's like going to the cinema to find that you can only watch the film if you sit in a single soundproof pod and sign a non-disclosure agreement.”

It's always been like that, we had cinema, DVD, cable/satellite/TV windows that stretched 2 years. You had regional windows where TV shows would be first shown in the US long before here in the UK. These barriers are being broken down, not always but more shows that have been secured by UK broadcasters or in the case of HBO Sky Atlantic are shown at the same time not months behind. There are still gaps the new season of NCIS for example isn't scheduled to show here until next February, it has been running in the US since September. There are plenty of spoilers out there even access to the show itself unfortunately these spoilers will seep through spoiling the experience for many.

You say you hate what Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and Sky have done yet they have opened up more content than could ever have been provided by linear TV. There would not have been enough advertising revenue or funding from the licence fee to fund the rights to US shows through our FTA commercial channels or the BBC nor make the depth and breadth of original content on their own.

There may be a point to your argument that SKY in the UK and cable in the US put content out of reach of many but you should also recognise that Netflix has broken that system. In the US almost every major player has a stand alone service where you no longer have to be tied to a whole package of channels you didn't want. SKY have responded in the UK with NOW TV which doesn't tie you into a contract and offers great value. The option also appeals because you can opt in and out of these services and cut the cost dramatically and have more content available than you could probably ever afford under the old system and I dare say have time to watch it all. Subscribe to Netflix and watch a number of full series of shows you want, throw in a few films too. Then opt out and pay for Amazon or Now TV and do the same, with entertainment passes for Now TV, offers for Amazon and Netflix you could probably see everything you wanted on all three services for around £8 a month by opting in and out and you could have all three for the entry price of SKY on satellite. So whilst SKY or cable was an expensive option you can now cherry pick for a lot less.

As far as content is concerned HBO changed TV production, they invested heavily in writers, actors and production which raised the game of everyone. It is not only argued but accepted that some of the best writers, actors and productions are found on TV. Cinema has become more a vehicle for franchises, how much can you squeeze out of a story, a format?

You will never ever return to the age where 20 million sat in front of TV and talked about it the next day, that era has gone. Yes there were great dramas that have stood the test of time, comedies we will never forget but there wasn't the depth or breadth of content that exists today and for decades it wasn't always available here in the UK.

Not everyone can afford to go to the cinema but 16 weeks after cinema release you can download almost every film "legally" in HD quality at a little over the price you would have paid in a video store without the trouble of going to get it and return it the next day. Almost 40 years ago a video store would have charged £2.50 - £3 on average for a movie which had a 12 month window, nowadays it's £4.50 for a HD download after 4 months. How does that work out in terms of inflation? You can have access to a huge library of films after just 6 -9 months through subscription.

It is more of a shared experience today than it ever was, we may not all sit down at the same time and watch the same thing but we can sit down and watch much, much, more and for the most part I would say higher number of quality shows. We share those conversations with others on here, at work or play with family and friends. You here people discussing Netflix, Amazon, Sky everyday. Not everyone subscribes but access is affordable and that is a choice many didn't have before.

There are 25 and 1/2 million TV licences but there is also 18 million Pay subscribers, they don't all subscribe to one thing but that is an awful lot of people discussing something that may encourage others to waatch or as the case may be miss.
Maccadanny
13-11-2016
This thread is going way off track, can we keep to the subject and not have all the ramblings. Open another thread if you want to discuss all the ins and outs of streaming and Sky and all that crap.
little-monster
13-11-2016
Timeless confirmed for a 7th december airdate on E4
David_Flett1
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Maccadanny:
“This thread is going way off track, can we keep to the subject and not have all the ramblings. Open another thread if you want to discuss all the ins and outs of streaming and Sky and all that crap. ”

If you look at my previous reply to my last that is exactly what I suggested.

However it is also necessary and valid to answer points raised by someone who replied directly to my post and indeed directly to me. They rasied the issue of Sky, Amazon, Hulu and Netflix, the shared experience that no longer exists. I thought it was necessary to address those points directly to the person who rasied them with "me". You may think they are ramblings, you do not need to read them but I felt it was only fair to answer them. In a previous reply

It really is ironic because if you go back to my first two posts, they were a single sentence replies regarding Bull. The debate was opened up by others pointing out that I was wrong that viewing figures didn't matter it was demo's that counted.

I also acknowledged the opinions regarding viewing figures and demo statistics, they were right to pick me up on that and I will be more careful in future on the assumptions I make.
gilesb
13-11-2016
You don't need anyones permission to start a new thread or to wait for people to ask you to start one.

If you want to make a long ramble about a different topic then start a new thread don't hijack this one, it is immensely frustrating.

Anyway back to cancelled/renewed shows and pick ups...
David_Flett1
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by gilesb:
“You don't need anyones permission to start a new thread or to wait for people to ask you to start one.

If you want to make a long ramble about a different topic then start a new thread don't hijack this one, it is immensely frustrating.

Anyway back to cancelled/renewed shows and pick ups...”

I didn''t hijack this thread I began with single sentence replies, others extended my replies into other areas which I also replied to and tackled the points raised in their reply to "me".
Tyyleer
13-11-2016
I check this thread everyday in the hopes of there being news of a UK broadcaster picking up How to get away with murder... but nothing
mogzyboy
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Tyyleer:
“I check this thread everyday in the hopes of there being news of a UK broadcaster picking up How to get away with murder... but nothing ”

Universal show it. I have no idea when they are going to start showing S3, though.
Tyyleer
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Universal show it. I have no idea when they are going to start showing S3, though.”

They've dropped it and won't be showing S3. I'm hoping another channel or Netflix pick it up asap.
David_Flett1
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Tyyleer:
“They've dropped it and won't be showing S3. I'm hoping another channel or Netflix pick it up asap.”

I think there might be a chance Netflix will pick it up even if it is only for the UK and Europe, they have both the first and second seasons.
gilesb
13-11-2016
Originally Posted by Tyyleer:
“I check this thread everyday in the hopes of there being news of a UK broadcaster picking up How to get away with murder... but nothing ”

I am also disappointed about that too, it can't have had that bad a ratings on universal surely?
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