Sorry to be picky but that article has made a bit of an error. They have bigged Bull up as the Number 1 New US Drama in the states, which is false. That title actually goes to This Is Us. I dislike it when articles big things up to be bigger than they really are.

Thanks for sharing anyway Darth.

Fourth and Final Season of Rectify will begin on AMC UK on January 3rd
12th and final season of Bones will begin on Sky Living on January 16th
Second half of season six of Suits will begin on Dave on January 29th

I did wonder abou that claim. But someone will claim it's accurate in some way shape or other.

Hollywood reporter reported Bull was the top new program of the season and had averaged 16.89 million viewers. Strange as the opening show was the highest at 15.562 million where it has dropped each week to 13.614, 12.999, 12.285, 11.611 million averaging 13.212 overall but take away the opening episode and the average is 12.624 million. I acknowledged little monster correcting me on demos being more important than viewing figures but that is in a forum such as this. The media on the other hand use viewing figures to highlight the success or otherwise about a programme. Taking the Holllywood Reporter article at face value gives a wrong impression to readers about Bull. Provided you can escape spoilers it is best to take the opinion of those who have seen a show and perhaps pay more attention to the latest viewing figures than one form the opening episode to guage response.

Untitled Comedy from The Good Wife Creators in Development at CBS

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/unt...-creators.html

Stranger in a Strange Land - Adaptation In Development at Syfy

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/str...tation-in.html

I know i have said this before but come on FOX and NBC. Announce what is going on with Wayward Pines and The Night Shift already.

Haven't seen Wayward Pines I take it you liked it and is well worth a watch.

No. But i have both seasons clogging up room and i want to know whether to delete them or watch them, depending on it's fate.

Do you not want to risk being disappointed if you follow a series and that it may be cancelled before a satisfactory conclusion or in the case of some a hurried conclusion that didn't fit the original outline or intent of the series? I know that Wayward Pines is based on the Blake Crouch trilogy so the intention surely from the outset was to film all three books.

I save up watching a whole series but couldn't wait for a planned 2,3 or more. For one thing I am sometimes too disappointed after sticking with the first or in the case of Outlander wanting to give up halfway through the second season. On the other hand I watch something like Leftovers and just hate waiting for the second season because I enjoyed it so much. Upon reading that the 3rd season will be the last I was disappointed but when I think about it I am actually glad because there will be a conclusion, hopefully a satisfactory one unlike investing so much time in The Fall and being so disappointed with the ending. I promise no spoilers, some agree with me, some thought it best to end that way.

Regarding clogging up room, how do you decide how long to keep things and doesn't it worry you that you may discover more than you want because of spoilers?

A very subjective question. When do you think a show should be cancelled? And yes you know more about demos determing that than I do as US viewing figures don't have the same impact as here but I think some shows outlive their fans expectations. I enjoyed The Good Wife and maybe the last season was one too many as was Person of Interest and Dexter, I have thought the same about Suits and I'm not even sure I will stick with the second half in the new year. Curiously though having access to more shows through Now TV, Netflix, Amazon etc is making up my mind quicker. I give up more easily on shows because there are so many more to choose from and I don't have anymore time than before to watch them so now I find I am cheery picking many more than I would normally.

It is No1 in Viewers though

We know that isn't important but to the general UK population who show no interest in US Ratings and see things in only viewers as the UK Model for TV Ratings does they will go by that

Wouldn't surprise me if the person who wrote the article was unaware of the demos as well

Makes sense though to advertise to a new Market as the No1 show which technically is correct in some form.

You could easily watch season one of Wayward Pines. It's a self contained story that has a proper ending because it's based on the original paperback trilogy. Season 2 was basically created out of nothing because of how well the first season did but I didn't bother with it because I considered the story told, and I don't really feel i've missed out.

In viewers, yes it is. Although to be fair, the article didn't state that. So yes they are correct. But i suppose I and many others view a shows success in demo's

Oh well.

I know their has been talk labout ratings and demos lately so just to give some expanded detail on why the demos 18-49 matter so much more than total viewers, and apologies for going slightly of topic. Obviously the networks make money on the rates they can charge for the ads. Taking away the selling of shows to intenational broadcasters, as the networks dont always make money from this as they dont have the distribution rights as is the case with Criminal Minds on CBS which ABC has international sale rights.

In the 2007-2008 season ABC were able to charge over $400k for a 30 second advert in Greys Anatomy compared to about $250k that CBS could charge for CSI, despite the fact CSI had almost 5million more viewers than Greys. NBC were able to charge almost 3 times as much for adverts in Friends as CBS could charge for Murder she wrote despite the fact they had nearly the same viewership for the 2 seasons that they aired concurrently. Glee and The Office drew nearly half the viewers as NCIS did in 2009-10 season but NBC could charge nearly double the price what CBS could for a 30 second advert.

This year is the same as in the upfront prices for adverts, ABC were able to charge more than what CBS could for NCIS despite the fact NCIS gets around 80% more viewers and dont forget Greys goes out at the same time as TBBT. Likewise Fox were charging close to $450k this year for a 30 second advert in upfronts despite it only getting half the audience of NCIS, which CBS were charging $150k for upfront adverts.

Thanks for that Brian

CW are the now the second network to present their midseason schedule

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/cw-...-premiere.html
Frequency and No Tomorrow will conclude in Jan. Regin returns in Feb. iZombie returns in April. Plus more

According to TVWise FoxUK have bought UK rights to Bull and are going to start it with NCIS from early 2017.

They are obviously hoping Weatherly fans from his NCIS days will watch. We could well see them paired in the schedule so Fridays with NCIS at 9pm and Bull at 10pm.

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2016/11/fox-...cbs-show-bull/

Reading the press release I see that CBS market this as #1 new drama, so given the earlier debate here, they obviously measure by absolute audience number not demo.

The Building - FOX Developing Fantasy Drama from Neil Gaiman + Legal Drama from Rosewood Producers

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/the...g-fantasy.html

The Building is based from the netflix movie, Parallels. I remember there was a thread here ages ago and a few members said that it had the potential to be a television series.

Its purely marketing. If they went on demo for international it would mean very little to most countries as most of the world just relies on viewers. They are also using the Live+7 DVR ratings in the press release to get the figures which are hardly ever used to determine if a show will get renewed or cancelled. In US markets its demo that matters.

I agree that Fox UK will probably put it on after NCIS at 10pm as it makes the most sense

Dr. Mirage - Comic Adaptation in Development at The CW

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/dr-...tation-in.html

Duck Dynasty to end after 11 seasons on A&E. The show will conclude next year.

Shame about Frequency. It has its faults but it is one of the better of the new shows this season. Hopefully with a little reworking it can return.

Excellent news about iZombie. It can't come back too soon.

Would be nice for a second season of Frequency but I wonder where they would go with it without dragging it out anymore than they are already. Glad that Bull has been picked up as it is one of the better new shows this season along with Designated Survivor, Timeless, Son of Zorn, Speechless and The Good Place - although knowing the history of US TV and cancellations (losing Forever, Limitless and The Player over the likes of Bilndspot and Quantico) I can see a fair number of these (as well as Code Black and Scream Queens) going in favour of newbies like This is Us, Pitch, Exorcist and returning shows such a Black List and Quantico.

I will always argue to value of the demo rating over the audience total, but you have got me thinking...

If you’re talking about the general success of a programme then maybe the total audience is the best measurement. After all, it translates to how many people are actually watching a programme, which translates to the programmes actual popularity.

If you’re talking about the success of a programme in terms of to the network it airs on, then obviously the demo rating is the best measurement as it translates to how profitably the programme is for them. And the end of the day, they are a business and their aim is to make as much money as possible, not entertain as many people as possible.

So if you’re trying to tell someone, a random person on the street, how successful a new television programme is maybe you should use the audience total as a measure. If you’re trying to tell someone in the television industry, use the demo rating.

Have you seen Bull?