Z nation is a dead cert for renewal. It's syfy's highest rated show.

Son Of Zorn could go either way. It's demos are up one week and then low the next.

I have a theory why Shield is so far behind, I think it could be down to the interruptions to the series in the US, there has currently been 2 and 4 week break between certain episodes so far, I think the UK rights holder prefers to show an unbroken run of episodes taking viewers up to the mid season break. Personally I prefer the late start and regular episodes to the patchy showings of the US.

Shield is not the only series, there are quite a few that are weeks behind, I'm pretty sure they delay these series too so they are not broken up as much. I also find the Xmas break tends to disrupt the schedules.

Amazon renew One Mississippi for a second season

Isn't that in the same block as Family Guy and The Simpsons? Does it rate higher when those two are airing new episodes, but lower if those shows are either reruns or pre-empted?

It does air in the same block as the other FOX animated shows. However i am not sure if it rates higher or lower depending if those shows are airing new episodes or not.

Here I am hijacking this thread again, anyway here goes.

I understand you opinion entirely, and with the exception of 1 show I agree completely, but where this issue becomes especially relevant is that this new innovative idea from Marvel and ABC is to show the first two episodes of (The) Inhumans in IMAX cinemas in 73 countries, so great we can all pay to see this event and then wait 3 months for whoever to start showing the whole series in one long run. Hence my complaint, but God, or worldwide broadcast rights forbid viewers then try to watch the tv show at US pace.

so then why don't the US broadcasters make shows available at US pace internationally on a pay platform so they get the revenue not the VPN?

And stop people moving to Delaware.

They seem to think this 'inovated idea' is a quadruple win....

"We think this is a quadruple win — a win for Imax, a win for Marvel, a win for ABC Studios and a win for ABC to launch a show in an innovative way and get attention,"

No mention of the viewer, so I guess the viewer loses out.

Agree, so much wrong with this idea so certainly wouldn't get my approval as an innovated way of how to start watching a renewed or new series.

It’s more than a theory, I think it’s simple fact.
Sky tend to have two models: 1) Show a season at US pace (or just a few weeks behind) but take a long mid-season break (which essentially sees it air Oct-Dec and then Mar-May) – such as Supergirl, The Flash, Arrow etc. or 2) Delay the start of a new season until January but then show the entire season weekly without interruption (Jan-May) – such as Blue Bloods, Hawaii Five-0, NCIS:LA etc.


Sky One did adopt a US pace model one year – showing the likes of Prison Break and NCIS:LA the day after their US broadcast. But the frequent ‘gaps’ in the schedule resulted in lower ratings overall (apparently the average viewer didn’t know when to tune in for new episodes, or simply didn’t like the inconsistency) so Sky abandoned it after just one year. You have to give them credit for trying it, but it failed, so you can’t blame them for not doing it again.

Yes, there are issues with UK broadcasters not following exact US pace. The Inhumans IMAX premier being a (minor) one, but also cross over episodes and of course spoilers. But evidence shows that in the UK more people watch when there are fewer interruptions in the scheduling of episodes.


Because it would devalue the UK rights to the programme. They’ve obviously done their calculations and decided they can get most money from international broadcasters if there isn’t also an option for viewers to pay to watch it elsewhere at US pace (and any money they might earn for this alternative option wouldn't outweigh the value it would take of the broadcast rights).

Plus the Broadcasters don't actually own the show, they just buy first showing rights.

Even when ABC and Marvel are under the same Disney Umbrella they are separate entities. So ABC don't own the rights to AOS as much as BBC own Great British Bake Off

As for why don't Marvel make the shows PPV after ABC has broadcast them, simply money. They get more from selling the rights to individual territories who base the price they're willing to pay on their audience figures.

No surprise about Pure Genius. Sad to say but i think its trying to do to much for what viewers want.

All this not ordering more episodes and could get a 2nd season is a bit of a farce though. The Networks just dont want to be the first to officially cancel a show this year.

Thin Ice - FOX Orders Antarctica Comedy Pilot from New Girl Creator

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/thi...ca-comedy.html

Yeah. I remember saying something similar during last season. It is a bit silly.

I realise it devalues the UK broadcast rights, not the entire UK rights as the US owner keeps the download rights, only flogging the first broadcast rights to Sky, UKTV or whoever.

It could be argued that this could benefit UK broadcasters, as because some might have paid to download a show the broadcast rights would be a lot cheaper. US owners keep all the revenues from download sales. They are happier ish. UK customers get the shows when they want them, US pace, download or UK pace, broadcast.

I realise this is an incredibly simplistic example, but its a lot better than people doing things on the internet that they are told is not right or is frowned upon by the tv companies. And it would certainly reduce the likes of VPN getting revenue instead of tv companies.

It doesn't just devalue UK rights though it devalues all territories rights, so the Producers probably view that it's more profitable to not offer streaming. At least with the few watching it via VPN or Torrents both parties can pretend its not there

Currently the most pressing issue to the US TV producers is the European Single Digital Market, that can really screw up territorial rights

Sorry but this really is a bee in my bonnet.

I did admit my idea was simplistic and I would never claim is was ideal. Also I know from personal experience tv suppliers are lax in their policing of certain issues. It's just the whole thing could be simplified, everyone would benefit and anything illegal would be severely reduced in requirement.

Gone - Abduction Thriller Procedural Based on Book Series Nears Series Order at NBC. Its been in development for 3 years.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/11/gon...rocedural.html

Deadline are reporting that Salamander that ABC were considering a couple of weeks ago, has been bought by ABC.

http://deadline.com/2016/11/abc-sala...io-1201858604/

I can't answer why established shows do not keep pace with US transmission, some of course do such as Suits but why does NCIS not begin until next January when they already have a contract with a channel who carries the show? Richard Plepler of HBO addressed this very point raising the issue of how easy it was to circumvent broadcasts through VPN and download Game of Thrones or to log into mainstream channels who put their shows online shortly after broadcast. There is no logical reason why established shows should be delayed.

You can understand it with a new show even with an actor and producer with a good track record. The UK is small in comparison to the US and the revenue comes from a limited number of broadcasters and even through the SKY platform the revenue stream for third party channles isn't as strong as what they get in the US. So you have to be pretty certain that the show you are buying for the UK ticks all the boxes and not just a few.

The reason they don't have their own pay TV platform in the UK is because the number of subscribers isn't there to support individual platforms, infrastructure and subscription management never mind the content shown on them. It may however be different in a few years because US studios now have subscription management in place. The only reason why Netflix works is because they had a large domestic base to build international subscribers.

US studios by and large are big beasts where it takes almost as much time to change course as it takes an ocean tanker. Studios were slow to respond to regional distribution through cinema, they were even slower when video came about and not until DVD replaced video did they even begin to address regional release schedules. Piracy changed with the arrival of DVD, you could now have millions of counterfeight copies and more easily distribute them. They were forced to address the situation.

With TV the same almost applies, they were just as complacent, they lived under a safe cable eco system that acted more like a cartel than something that served the interests of their subscribers. Just as DVD changed their outlook on piracy of films, faster broadband brought about a new piracy threat to their TV revenue. VPN's were a tool to make torrenting and illegal streams easier. downloads aren't like DVD pirated in millions, it is billions.

On the legal front Netflix has changed the landscape entirely, US studios have seen their cosy cable system broken up. Again complacency and slowness to respond were their problem. They were happy to sell Netflix back catalogue that had already done the rounds and they thought squeezing a few dollars more was simply too good to turn down. Netflix however changed the habits of how people wanted to watch their TV shows. As a result all of the major studios under the cable system have their own streaming service or have a slimmed down offering of a select few channels. It is entirely possible and logical to assume that this platform could easily be transferred internationally because they now have the infrastructure and subscription management set up to do so.

When this happens no show will be subjected to running at a different pace in the US and the UK.

But again, it comes down to the fact that the US broadcasts aren't on a consistently weekly basis - which evidence shows the average UK viewer wants.
Therefore the likes of NCIS: LA is held back to January, to allow it to be broadcast without interruption.

The other examples you've given are cable shows (USA Network and HBO) which do air on a consistently weekly basis - therefore allowing UK broadcasters to run at US pace without any interruptions.

From a personal point of view and I do know it is shared by family and friends they find the scheduling of some US shows irritating. An example is the last season of NCIS where in the US the first 9 episodes started in January and ended in February but episode 10 didn't begin for another 9 months. Would it not be more acceptable to have two separate seasons of 12 and a simultaneos broadcast in the UK?

Linear TV will be with us for some time but I believe there is a growing appetite for what Netflix and other streaming services are now offering and bringing us full seasons to consume over shorter periods or even with their weekly output have shorter sharper seasons.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't watch more TV but I have become more discerning about what I watch and as a result of Netflix I now don't start watching a linear TV series until they have ended and watch them over a shorter period. Is it patience? Probably in part but mostly because we have so much more on offer to us that a new show from the US or an established show we have been used to watching for many years has to offer quality over quantity.

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Thats not right

NCIS started the season in September last year and ended in May as it always does

Only Code Black is airing a new episode tonight. The rest are all having a week's break due to good old thanksgiving.

My apologies I took the broadcast dates from IMDB. Obviously they have it seriously wrong.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364845/..._=tt_eps_sn_13

Yes not sure what those dates are.

Here are the real dates.

http://epguides.com/NCIS/

Thank you for the guide.

Although it is my wife who is a huge fan I assumed that Noentry2K was right in correcting me regarding my complaint about NCIS starting in January instead of the same time as the US despite having a contract with a a UK distributor (FOX UK). Obviously NCIS did not have a long mid season break so again I see no reason for the delay. I just think it leads to people circumventing the system instead of paying for it through their normal subscriptions.