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The Ambassador
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I also have to agree with comments regarding Cable. Cable is kicking major butt in television and has done for a long time but lately it is knocking every other show out the park. Game of thrones being the major player at the moment, and previously with Breaking Bad. I think about 70 per cent of the shows i watch at the moment, are from cable. I have cut a lot of ties from non-cable networks a lot this year.”

I've done well this year with Community being the only show that I watch thats been cancelled.

The majority of shows that I watch are on cable, so that helps.

Despite them cancelling Community, I have to give NBC a lot of credit for keeping low rated shows around longer than any of the other networks would. I doubt that either Parks and Rec or Hannibal would have lasted more than a season anywhere else. Likewise Friday Night Lights previously.
malcy30
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by The Ambassador:
“I've done well this year with Community being the only show that I watch thats been cancelled.

The majority of shows that I watch are on cable, so that helps.

Despite them cancelling Community, I have to give NBC a lot of credit for keeping low rated shows around longer than any of the other networks would. I doubt that either Parks and Rec or Hannibal would have lasted more than a season anywhere else. Likewise Friday Night Lights previously.”

Hannibal only survives as it costs NBC next to nothing as its French produced by Gaumount. NBC get it very cheap as co producers. Is why they can afford to continue with it on a Friday the worst audience night as cost to rating share is so low compared to shows NBC make themselves.
little-monster
11-05-2014
Parenhood has been renewed. No word on episode order, but season 6 will be the final season

Suburgatory is officially being shopped to other networks.

Although it was already known it was cancelled, NBC have decided to officially announce that Michael J Fox show has been cancelled.
007Fusion
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Chris_TV:
“I think it has got beyond a joke for American TV. At least shows on cable networks get given a chance most of the time regardless of average ratings.

However the standard networks have become a joke. It looks like hardly any new show made it onto a 2nd season. So the people who pick which shows go to a full series .”


I think that's unfair. The business model for network tv, is designed to make money from advertisement. Without it, they collapse. Cable is based on subscriptions fees from customers, which is how they're funded and survive.
lala
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by 007Fusion:
“I think that's unfair. The business model for network tv, is designed to make money from advertisement. Without it, they collapse. Cable is based on subscriptions fees from customers, which is how they're funded and survive.”

Problem with the network model is that IT IS collapsing around them in spectacular style. On demand and Netflix command a huge amount of viewership in the States, especially compared to here. Some cable tv shows get more viewers than that on the network channels. The Walking Dead and Housewives of Atlanta etc etc continue to out-rate network ratings.

Cable has taken over the water-cooler popular culture space that networks use to occupy. And the fact that cable shows have more freedom in what they can show doesn't help the networks either.
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by lala:
“Problem with the network model is that IT IS collapsing around them in spectacular style. On demand and Netflix command a huge amount of viewership in the States, especially compared to here. Some cable tv shows get more viewers than that on the network channels. The Walking Dead and Housewives of Atlanta etc etc continue to out-rate network ratings.

Cable has taken over the water-cooler popular culture space that networks use to occupy. And the fact that cable shows have more freedom in what they can show doesn't help the networks either.”

I think your right_but what does the future hold then for the network model?A slow death spiral?How do you think it will play out?
flagpole
11-05-2014
no surprise The Crazy Ones has gone.

SMG is a delight. but RW is now a caricature of himself.
koantemplation
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by flagpole:
“no surprise The Crazy Ones has gone.

SMG is a delight. but RW is now a caricature of himself.”

I didn't think he was too bad but the comedy was too 'shouty' for my liking, but it is a shame it has gone.
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes if they keep cancelling shows too early they are going to make a self fulling prophecy, as viewers are not going to risk getting into a new show, so the rating will be low and it will be cancelled. And so viewers will have even less faith in the next show, which will get even lower ratings and be cancelled. Etc etc.”

Perhaps the ad funded network model is slowly dying and poor decisions by tv executives is accelerating an already existing trend?
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I remember there being a load back in 2010. The media called it something along the lines of "cult cancellation" as tons of shows that had cult followings came to an end.”

Are financial troubles meaning this kind of axing "splurge" will become an annual event as networks become more jittery and cut potential losses earlier?
koantemplation
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Perhaps the ad funded network model is slowly dying and poor decisions by tv executives is accelerating an already existing trend?”

Well a good show does get the viewers so not sure if that is the reason.

A lot of the shows that have been axed haven't been that good in the end. Most I've only watched just to see how bad they are ala 'Crisis' and 'Revolution'.

They've been trying to find the next 'Lost' and 'Friends' but have failed.

They seem to learn too late what the problems are but keep making the same mistakes early on.
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Well a good show does get the viewers so not sure if that is the reason.

A lot of the shows that have been axed haven't been that good in the end. Most I've only watched just to see how bad they are ala 'Crisis' and 'Revolution'.

They've been trying to find the next 'Lost' and 'Friends' but have failed.

They seem to learn too late what the problems are but keep making the same mistakes early on.”

But will cables increasing popularity and high quality overtime undercut ,undermine and overshadow network tvs prestige in the long run?Much lower network ratings in the future may become the norm and hence create a vicious cycle?
koantemplation
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“But will cables increasing popularity and high quality overtime undercut ,undermine and overshadow network tvs prestige in the long run?Much lower network ratings in the future may become the norm and hence create a vicious cycle?”

Personally I blame the quality of recent shows (or lack of quality) and the spate of one season cancellations for lack of viewing figures on Network TV shows.

They seem to be making a lot of them up as they go along rather than having a 3 or 4 season arc already written out.
little-monster
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Personally I blame the quality of recent shows (or lack of quality) and the spate of one season cancellations for lack of viewing figures on Network TV shows.

They seem to be making a lot of them up as they go along rather than having a 3 or 4 season arc already written out.”

I can so agree with that. Shows these days just drag and drag without no end in sight. They don't just know when to stop.

I always say if you haven't got a good story to tell that really needs to be told and is a testament to the project, then don't bother.
little-monster
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Are financial troubles meaning this kind of axing "splurge" will become an annual event as networks become more jittery and cut potential losses earlier?”

Possibly. I am not sure.
little-monster
11-05-2014
Parks and Rec's seventh season has confirmed to be it's last
little-monster
11-05-2014
NBC announce their Schedule for 2014/2015

http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/05/nbc...s-release.html
Callum Collum
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“She sounds English in the show. In real life, I assumed she would have spoken English with a French accent, but someone on-line produced some quote from one of Mary's contemporaries that said Mary spoke English with a very noticeable Scottish accent.”

I'm not sure what accents would have sounded like then. The languages themselves were quite different. I believe Mary would have spoken Middle Scots. She may well also have spoken English but remember that it is an English before Shakespeare.
lala
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“I think your right_but what does the future hold then for the network model?A slow death spiral?How do you think it will play out?”

I think the networks will eventually become just producers or simply 'studios', in which shows are developed and then distributed via On demand only without any linear scheduling. I can see this happening within 15 years.
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by lala:
“I think the networks will eventually become just producers or simply 'studios', in which shows are developed and then distributed via On demand only without any linear scheduling. I can see this happening within 15 years.”

Thanks for replying.Do you think that will ultimately mean fewer big budget shows and maybe fewer shows overall?

Do you think the networks are anticiapting this big change that you envisage?
Mr Master X
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Perhaps the ad funded network model is slowly dying and poor decisions by tv executives is accelerating an already existing trend?”

Do most networks even take into account ALL viewing figures and revenue from a show though? From what I've heard barely any have evolved past the Nielson ratings garbage. I always wonder how many shows cancelled in the past actually had good ratings and made money, but were cancelled based on Nielson ratings inaccuracy.

I'll be honest, shows getting cancelled used to gut me, but I'm finding I just can't let myself get hooked on anything much recently. The last few years have seen massive cuts to what I watch due to cancellations. This year has just been crazy. I've already decided not to give anything new a chance, unless it's a sure thing or the story will continue somehow (Flash for instance). Have both Almost Human/Intelligence building up on box, probably just going to delete. Most of these shows cancelled could easily get a short TV movie/1-3 episodes extra made while sets are still up and then air in the first break of new season shows. Show of faith? There's a reason ratings are getting less and less; no one wants to watch a show and get invested knowing full well it's going to get cancelled.
Raven
11-05-2014
Great news that the Mentalist has survived Loving the whole reboot this season, has breathed a lot more life into it . . . but was really expecting the axe to fall so pleasantly surprised (for once)
Rowan Hedge
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“MENTALIST RENEWED

Bad teacher
Intelligence
Hostages
Friends with better lives
Crazy ones

all cancelled”

Has bad teacher aired yet? I thought that was due to air at the end of the month, good news about The Mentalist but I fear its dead show walking so to speak, the Red John plot was strung out far too long and effectively killed the vibe and I would have preferred RD to have been either Lisbon or the red haired girl.
MrSuper
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Chris_TV:
“Thank goodness shows like The X Files were made in the 90's because they would not stand a chance now.”

Thank goodness indeed! Despite some duff seasons that will always be a classic to me, love that show. Thank god for the 90's cos it wouldn't stand a chance in this day and age. People would be like David Duchovny/Gillian Anderson, who?
Hildaonpluto
11-05-2014
Originally Posted by Mr Master X:
“Do most networks even take into account ALL viewing figures and revenue from a show though? From what I've heard barely any have evolved past the Nielson ratings garbage. I always wonder how many shows cancelled in the past actually had good ratings and made money, but were cancelled based on Nielson ratings inaccuracy.

I'll be honest, shows getting cancelled used to gut me, but I'm finding I just can't let myself get hooked on anything much recently. The last few years have seen massive cuts to what I watch due to cancellations. This year has just been crazy. I've already decided not to give anything new a chance, unless it's a sure thing or the story will continue somehow (Flash for instance). Have both Almost Human/Intelligence building up on box, probably just going to delete. Most of these shows cancelled could easily get a short TV movie/1-3 episodes extra made while sets are still up and then air in the first break of new season shows. Show of faith? There's a reason ratings are getting less and less; no one wants to watch a show and get invested knowing full well it's going to get cancelled.”

Thanks for the detailed reply.Its a vicious cycle I can only see continuing sadly and the decline of network tv continuing at a faster pace.
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