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Old 15-11-2014, 10:28
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FOX need Mindy project because apart from gotham, all their new shows have flopped. So they need more episodes to fill in the gaps for the reat of the season. It reminds me of Till Death. That never had good ratings but FOX kept it on for 4 seasons and got enough episodes for syndication.

I think CBS have thrown in the towel way too early on The Millers. It's ratings have declined but not so bad it deserved to be cancelled so quickly the way it has. They should of kept it on for the rest of the season, as they have no idea how their midseason shows will do. The Mccarthy's isn't doing amazing and we have no idea how The Odd Couple will do.
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Old 15-11-2014, 18:03
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Article headline from zap2it:

"CBS canceled 'The Millers' and nobody cared"
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Old 15-11-2014, 23:27
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Maybe people should start the campaign to get FWBL back on screen now The Millers is gone?

I'm still bitter about that you see.
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Old 16-11-2014, 12:19
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Maybe people should start the campaign to get FWBL back on screen now The Millers is gone?

I'm still bitter about that you see.
The cast have probably already released from their contracts. Even Community, a show which several people were looking at reviving, just made it the hour the contracts were due to expire...
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Old 16-11-2014, 13:05
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CBS were harsh with Friends with better lives. The demo's were good. The last episode that aired was at a 1.6, which is an average performing sitcom these days.
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Old 16-11-2014, 13:45
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CBS were harsh with Friends with better lives. The demo's were good. The last episode that aired was at a 1.6, which is an average performing sitcom these days.
People seem to like it too, but if the cast have been released from their contract, it's severely unlikely to return...
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Old 17-11-2014, 15:48
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Cedar Cove renewed for a third season
Anger Management to end after 100 episodes.
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Old 17-11-2014, 15:50
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Only watched the first episode of Anger Management as it didn't really land with me, but I always felt the deal they gave him was rather bizarre. I suppose 100 episodes only represents just over 5 seasons though ..
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Old 17-11-2014, 22:03
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Anger Management only got to 100 episodes because of the 10/90 deal FX did with Lionsgate, it's essentially a way to get a sitcom into syndication within 2 and a half years.

HBO has ordered Westworld to series, it's based on the film and it's created by Jonathan Nolan who created Person of Interest for CBS, JJ Abram's Bad Robot is also producing as well. It's interesting that HBO has become more open to outside studios, The Leftovers and Westworld are from Warner Bros and the pilot they did with Ryan Murphy Open was produced by Fox. HBO in the past only developed shows they could own outright but I wonder if the fact that Showtime and Starz having success with shows that came from outside studios like Homeland, Shameless and Outlander prompted HBO to relax their policy.
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Old 17-11-2014, 22:26
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Anger Management only got to 100 episodes because of the 10/90 deal FX did with Lionsgate, it's essentially a way to get a sitcom into syndication within 2 and a half years.
It must have the longest season 2 of any sit com.

Over 80 episodes in total.
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Old 17-11-2014, 22:36
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FOX need Mindy project because apart from gotham, all their new shows have flopped...
The Mindy Project getting more episodes is less an indictment of their current crop of shows and more a indictment of what they have on the shelf. The six additional episodes that Mindy just got is the number of episodes Fox ordered of Weird Loners. That comedy was supposed to debut in Mindy's slot out of New Girl at the end of the season. That plan has apparently changed since we'd assume that Mindy will now stay put and not move for 6 random episodes. You'd also assume that Mindy will now get a full fourth season which is even more concerning for Fox.

It reminds me of Till Death. That never had good ratings but FOX kept it on for 4 seasons and got enough episodes for syndication.
Sony (who owned Till Death) literally gave Fox that show for what I'd assume is basically nothing. If I remember rightly Fox were getting the show so cheaply that they aired original episodes of it against the Super Bowl. And there aren't a whole lot of advertisers paying for ad time on another network during the Super Bowl.

CBS were harsh with Friends with better lives. The demo's were good. The last episode that aired was at a 1.6, which is an average performing sitcom these days.
Not on CBS it isn't and that seems to be what people keep forgetting when it comes to Friends with Better Lives. On any other network that show probably gets renewed. On CBS it just wasn't strong enough. The Crazy Ones had similar issues although that probably would have survived had its stars actors and producer not commanded huge salaries making it near impossible to turn a profit on it.
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Old 17-11-2014, 23:46
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Sony (who owned Till Death) literally gave Fox that show for what I'd assume is basically nothing. If I remember rightly Fox were getting the show so cheaply that they aired original episodes of it against the Super Bowl. And there aren't a whole lot of advertisers paying for ad time on another network during the Super Bowl.


Not on CBS it isn't and that seems to be what people keep forgetting when it comes to Friends with Better Lives. On any other network that show probably gets renewed. On CBS it just wasn't strong enough. The Crazy Ones had similar issues although that probably would have survived had its stars actors and producer not commanded huge salaries making it near impossible to turn a profit on it.
Sony are more willing to cut fees in order to get more episodes compared to other studios, they co-owned Rules of Engagement which essentially plugged in gaps when CBS had cancelled a failing sitcom. Once it hit 100 episodes, CBS cancelled it.

FWBL and The Crazy Ones both were produced by Fox and a show that simply licensed by CBS isn't going to make the cut over a show that it owned by CBS Studios if it is not performing well. I do think CBS made a mistake renewing The Millers but I do wonder had they had not have Mike and Molly and The Odd Couple ready for midseason, would The Millers have lasted longer. The Odd Couple probably is CBS' best hope for a sitcom to do well this season with the familiar name and Matthew Perry but Perry hadn't a show that's lasted more than a single season since Friends.
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Old 18-11-2014, 00:24
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Mizhog just posted that Hot In Cleveland has been cancelled after this last season.
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Old 18-11-2014, 00:28
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A Place To Call Home renewed for 2 more seasons thanks to another channel stepping in.
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Old 18-11-2014, 00:52
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Anger Management only got to 100 episodes because of the 10/90 deal FX did with Lionsgate, it's essentially a way to get a sitcom into syndication within 2 and a half years.

HBO has ordered Westworld to series, it's based on the film and it's created by Jonathan Nolan who created Person of Interest for CBS, JJ Abram's Bad Robot is also producing as well. It's interesting that HBO has become more open to outside studios, The Leftovers and Westworld are from Warner Bros and the pilot they did with Ryan Murphy Open was produced by Fox. HBO in the past only developed shows they could own outright but I wonder if the fact that Showtime and Starz having success with shows that came from outside studios like Homeland, Shameless and Outlander prompted HBO to relax their policy.
HBO has traditionally had it's pick of projects. I believe the head of Showtime said the most frustrating part of his job was that no matter how the pitch he made for the show, HBO would always be the producer's first choice.

According to an article in the Hollywood Reporter, HBO say it's because the talent is being picked up by other people on all output/first look deals, locking them out and because HBO don't want to take on the complete risk for expensive projects. (Although it does ask the question do HBO hold international rights for the Leftovers or did Sky Atlantic buy it in separately?)
The Leftovers marks the first of what is likely to be a new stream of outside studio buys for HBO. The network is currently developing projects with 20th Century Fox Television's Ryan Murphy (Open) and Warner's J.J. Abrams (Westworld), among others. At a recent industry conference, HBO programming chief Michael Lombardo acknowledged that his network has loosened up with its long-held philosophy about the importance of owning its own programming. With so much top talent in deals at other studios, he noted that it would be foolish not to be open to buying projects from the outside. What's more, he added, it will allow the network famous for its hefty budgets to spread the risk. As he put it: "It's nice to have people betting with us."
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Old 18-11-2014, 01:10
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HBO has traditionally had it's pick of projects. I believe the head of Showtime said the most frustrating part of his job was that no matter how the pitch he made for the show, HBO would always be the producer's first choice.

According to an article in the Hollywood Reporter, HBO say it's because the talent is being picked up by other people on all output/first look deals, locking them out and because HBO don't want to take on the complete risk for expensive projects. (Although it does ask the question do HBO hold international rights for the Leftovers or did Sky Atlantic buy it in separately?)
HBO have funded expensive projects in the past like Band of Brothers and The Pacific although those did have co-producers like the BBC and the Seven Network but a regular series has always been HBO owned and produced, licensing from an outside studio does reduce the risk but mean they won't see any future syndication money or international sales. Shameless I believe was developed for HBO but they later passed on it and it went to Showtime and it's turned out to be very successful for them,

The Leftovers, I'm guessing Sky would have had first look but it's possible it could have gone to another broadcaster since it was from Warner Bros rather than HBO solely.
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Old 18-11-2014, 10:04
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Only watched the first episode of Anger Management as it didn't really land with me, but I always felt the deal they gave him was rather bizarre. I suppose 100 episodes only represents just over 5 seasons though ..
I never liked AM because it was just another sitcom of Charlie Sheen playing himself, which is what he did previously in Two and a half men and Spin City. He has very limited range and considering how he treats people, doesn't deserve to work. But Anger Management was his baby as he was the exec producer and had more control than anyone, which is how he got his own way when he fired Selma Blair, who had the balls to stand up against him over his inexcusable behaviour on set.
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Old 18-11-2014, 13:33
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Seems the future of the 100 seems bleak, it's hotly tipped to get the axe. Which is shame I love that show.
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Old 18-11-2014, 14:05
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Seems the future of the 100 seems bleak, it's hotly tipped to get the axe. Which is shame I love that show.
I don't think so. It's doing just fine.
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Old 18-11-2014, 16:33
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Surprised ANTM has been renewed.
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Old 19-11-2014, 06:51
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Writer friend in LA has said that Gracepoint is dead, Fox apparently have already told the production team there will be NO second outing, executives are not impressed with Tennent and his rather ropey acting and failure to convince audiences with his dire attempt at a yank accent.

His second attempt to crack America is lying in tatters.
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Old 19-11-2014, 08:08
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Writer friend in LA has said that Gracepoint is dead, Fox apparently have already told the production team there will be NO second outing, executives are not impressed with Tennent and his rather ropey acting and failure to convince audiences with his dire attempt at a yank accent.

His second attempt to crack America is lying in tatters.
It was clear there wouldn't be a second season the day after the first episode premiered. The ratings were low enough that it was a certainty. Also, keep in mind that the Fox executive who ordered Gracepoint, Kevin Reilly, lost his job over the summer. There was no way the new regime was going to give any slack to a project of the guy who was replaced. Gotham will likely be the sole series from Kevin Reilly's last batch to make it to another season.
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Old 19-11-2014, 09:32
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You didn't even need Mystic Meg or Sally Morgan to tell you that Gracepoint is dead
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Old 19-11-2014, 09:39
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It was clear there wouldn't be a second season the day after the first episode premiered. The ratings were low enough that it was a certainty. Also, keep in mind that the Fox executive who ordered Gracepoint, Kevin Reilly, lost his job over the summer. There was no way the new regime was going to give any slack to a project of the guy who was replaced. Gotham will likely be the sole series from Kevin Reilly's last batch to make it to another season.
It's certainly the case that they'll killed off the majority of this season's new shows, pretty much anything that was greenlit by Reilly has been canned. Utopia was a giant fail, Hieroglyph was binned before it even got to air, Gracepoint has been kept on air by the skin of it's teeth (I think they've decided to avoid the bad press and see it out despite horrible ratings, it's only for a few more weeks). Mulaney has effectively gone - although it's seeing out it's remaining episodes in a new timeslot - and all signs seem to be that they seem to have cancelled another comedy, Weird Loners, before it gets to air as well.

The only thing left currently on air is Red Band Society - Fox ordered more scripts, at a time when other networks were doing this and it basically signalled the end of them. However, I've read that RBS is doing pretty solid numbers in the DVR ratings, so I wonder if this one will survive to the end of season 1 (highly unlikely to renew though) despite all the classic death knell signals! Their winter schedule should be announced within the next week (not over the Thanksgiving weekend though) - in fact, I'd expect most of the networks, who haven't already announced, to release their schedules very soon.

BTW, the other new shows - Empire, Backstrom - I wonder if they'll be more invested in making these ones work, despite them coming from the same fired exec's tenure? Both of these shows are fully owned by Fox (network and 21st Century Fox) - so they have an increased motivation to see them succeed - given the new network presidents are covering both of these arms now!
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Old 19-11-2014, 09:40
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Still no news on Continuum I see. I read a tweet from someone at SyFy US which said they likely wouldn't step in if it was cancelled as the financial side of things only work if someone else makes it and they buy the US rights.

I'd imagine it won't be back though - judging by her Twitter feed, Rachel Nichols is working on other stuff already.
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