The CW renews everything.

I'd guess Reign will be a mid season show and maybe continue into the summer 2016, one other will also likely be mid season or start a bit later probably The 100 again to allow for at least 2 new shows to air in September.

Well Beauty and Dixie are both DOA at the moment

Plus we have Messengers and iZombie

If both new shows do well, i think it will be bye bye Beauty and dixie
But if one new show bombs, I think they will save Beauty. Dixie has already filmed it's final episode as a proper series finale and the cast had a big leaving do.

The CW's refusal to let things end now has me seriously worried for the shows I watch on that network.

Supernatural has been creatively dead for 5 years, and TVD doesn't seem to impress people too much anymore. I don't want shows going beyond 7 (at a push) seasons

Reign is distributed by CBS Television Distribution though, which might have given it that extra push. (All the networks hits, and the 100, come from Warner Bros.)

And it surprises me The CW has the best record of the major US networks for sci-fi given their primary audience seems to be teenage girls. But I love Arrow, so I'm not complaining...

Sadly, not deservedly so. Hopefully, history reflects that.

Supernatural is fantasy, not sci-fi. The two genres usually go hand in hand, but there is a difference. Supernatural could also be called horror, of course, and horror can fit with either fantasy or sc-fi (Alien would be an example of science fiction horror).

I really can't understand why anyone watches Reign. The ratings have been on a downward slide. I have given up on the 100 as it has just turned into gratuitous mindless violence. Supernatural has characters that people like. I think Misha Collins just won a peoples choice award. I don't watch the show anymore but did immediately like him as well as the Crawley chap. I really stopped watching after John left as that was a great dynamic but dipped in a few times. As with TVD and Smallville after about the third season it was repetitive but each show has a core fandom which is enough for the cw.

I am beginning to look forward to the messengers which apparently is not for teens and I just cannot understand the idea of izombie so will be interested to see how that does although it definitely is not for me.

I'm very surprised regarding all the renewals. Obvious for Arrow, TVD, SPN etc... a little surprised that all of Reign, The 100 and JTV did too.

I just looked at the summer schedule which might explain these early renewals. It was always common wisdom that the cw would wait to see how the new shows performed. They have put the messengers at 9.00pm on a Friday which must mean they have no faith in it. The autumn shows range from 0.4 and above so they must think the new shows will bomb.

When I read a new reality show was hair cutting I thought it was a joke but then I saw Cedrics barber battle reality show scheduled. Apparently Mr Pedowitz thinks this is the future. It definitely will be cheaper than scripted shows.

I am aware there is a difference. Although i class it more as sci-fi, as do others, expecially critics who have also said Supernatural could be one of the longest running sci-fi shows. Shows like Once upon a time and Game of thrones are fantasy, and I don't see Supernatural as fantasy.

I know the CW pretty much renews everything, but I suspect that the reason Supernatural was renewed was more to do with making it the longest running 'sci fi' show in the world more than any creative decisions.

I reckon that too

The CW want to make themselves look great. They not only have a golden globe award winning performance on one of their shows, they will now have a record breaking long running sci-fi show on their network. It makes them look great. Keeping up appearances.

That is a very big slate of early renewals for CW, in fact it's their entire Fall drama schedule, which makes you wonder what on Earth they're going to commission for next Fall?

Such an extensive renewal roster pretty much guarantees Hart of Dixie is done and there won't be a change of, er, heart even if iZombie and the Messengers both tank (though Pedowitz has been somewhat equivocal on the subject).

Beauty & the Beast doesn't even have a premiere date yet. The last few episodes of Season 2 went out in the Summer, traditionally 'burn-off' territory but was nevertheless renewed for a 3rd season. Presumably it performed well enough for the CW there that they're going to run it a a full summer series for 2015. The law of syndication economics and CW politics (it's a CBS show) suggest that if it continues to perform reasonably in a summer slot it may get a 4th season.

However, CW usually likes to debut at least 3 new dramas each year, so having renewed 8 already, if either of iZombie or The Messengers (or both!) does unexpectedly well in the Spring then BATB probably has to go unless CW gives some of its renewals shorter season orders for 2015-16.

The CW already has the longest running sci-fi show, Smallville. They're just beating their own record...

Well, to support why I think Supernatural is fantasy and not science fiction I will lay out what I believe to be the difference between fantasy and science fiction, as I have seen it explained many times. Science fiction takes place in a completely NATURALISTIC universe; there aren't any hints of magic or God or gods or the devil or demons or faeries. Anything that strikes the audience as extraordinary has an explanation that is based on science or technology (even made-up science and technology) and follows rational laws of cause and effect. Fantasy, by contrast, has magic and/or the supernatural intruding into the natural universe or world, and strange things in programmes are explained by these things rather than by science or technology. Thus defined, Supernatural is much more of a hard-core fantasy programme than Game Of Thrones, whose fantasy elements certainly exist but are not in evidence that often.

cbs renewed new ncis scorpion and madam secretary lot of renewals espically on back of cw yesterday

confirmation of the cbs renewals here

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...cis-new-763015

I might give Madam Secretary ago now, but NCIS:NO is out. Not a patch on the original NCIS.

Good news about Scorpion, hopefully they'll stop having the team argue now they know they can focus on the story more.

Shameless renewed for season 6

I'd personally classify Supernatural as horror rather than fantasy or sci-fi, but each to their own.

Regards

Mark

True as to the BIB. But as you also say Supernatural is certainly in the Horror or Fantasy genre.

Supernatural might be creatively dead but its still very much commercially viable. It comfortably remains one of their best performing shows and continues to sell well internationally. Its going to continue until one or both of the two leads decide they don't want to do it anymore.


That and the fact that its their third best performer.


Like all of the networks they're talking up year round scheduling and very specifically to them they're talking about more staggered starts to the season which allows them to schedule more shows in the same space of time. They've also said they intend to debut at least the same number of new shows next season as this so we'll see how they actually juggle all of this. Its certainly possible.

Also to be honest the only renewal decision they've made I'm slightly surprised about is Reign and really that's only because I assumed they'd wait to see how the mid season stuff performed before making a decision on that. Everything else on the Fall schedule always struck me as a lock for renewal anyway.

The early renewals on CBS are slightly more surprising to me. Big vote of confidence for Madam Secretary though. Although telling that they haven't renewed the WB owned Stalker just yet.


Its all smoke and mirrors designed to distract at the TCA events. It'll be interesting to see what Fox pull out of the bag...

NBC I'd assume will announce at the very least an early renewal of The Blacklist while ABC will go all in on How To Get Away With Murder and maybe Black-ish too.

It's the Television Critics Association Winter Press Tour, there will be a number of early announcements this week on renewals and development proposals by the networks.

For instance CW is mulling over an Arrow spin-off revolving around The Atom, amongst other things.

Indeed, and on this I'd argue that CW is ahead of the game on "year-round programming" compare to the other networks, being not so constrained by history.

Renewing two-thirds of their entire drama slate now, when the remaining third has yet to air (I'm ignoring HoD's pre-Christmas 'teaser' ep) does suggest their goal is to have a rolling schedule of programming throughout the year. Deferring the entirety of BATB Season 3 to May is strongly indicative of this, IMO.

As you say, juggling the available network hours and programming budgets is certainly feasible, though if they debut 4 new shows again next season and any combination of iZombie, Messengers, Beauty & the Beast and Hart of Dixie get a renewal order they're looking at slotting up to 16 dramas plus Whose Line...?, America's Next Top Model, Penn & Teller and whatever other 'non-scripted' shows they have into just over 500 hours of primetime a year. Clearly staggered premieres, a mix of season lengths and 'straight through' runs with fewer hiatuses, pre-emptions and repeats would be needed.

It'll be interesting whether they go through with The Atom series because Flash has done fantastic business but Atom not exactly a known superhero and might come across as an Ant-Man clone despite not being one.

I do wonder if there is any other CBS or WB brands that The CW could develop beyond DC, Charmed would be a good one if it a bit recent since it's CBS owned or perhaps Star Trek although I suspect if that returns to TV, it'll be on CBS.

I would like to see them do a comedy block maybe pairing Whose Line with a sitcom and Jane The Virgin.

Madam Secretary seems like the likely successor to The Good Wife. I think Stalker is a goner, the others on the bubble are CSI and Hawaii Five-0. If Cyber does well, CSI will be axed.

Comedy wise, I wouldn't be surprised if they renew The Odd Couple since it's CBS owned but of course we need to see ratings first before a decision is made. Mike and Molly I think will be renewed perhaps for a final season since Melissa McCarthy has a busy career with films.