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Old 11-05-2011, 23:53
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For some reason, she reminded me when she was doing the pitch of that scene in the Witches with Anjelica Huston in the conference room, lol! It was those darn gloves she was wearing!

Her pitch was awful, she was really lucky to have won it.
I think they won it because as Lord Sugar observed, their description of the app got straight to the point, telling people what they'd get - and the boys' team somehow lost sight of the fact that they needed to come up with an idea with global appeal. I wondered at an early stage how mostly UK regional accents were going to have an appeal outside the UK.
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Old 11-05-2011, 23:54
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Yes indeed, making their own intolerance and attitude problems other people's fault by dismissing those others as 'fools'.

Edna could have simply asked Susan to get to the point and if she couldn't within a couple of minutes, say "I'm sorry I'm going to have to move on".
it's interesting that she comes across as such a bully and yet is supposed to be a 'human resources' person!
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Old 11-05-2011, 23:58
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it's interesting that she comes across as such a bully and yet is supposed to be a 'human resources' person!
I said pretty much the same thing to my flatmate. Her people skills are questionable!
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Old 11-05-2011, 23:58
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it's interesting that she comes across as such a bully and yet is supposed to be a 'human resources' person!
I know, a Business Psychologist and coach - scary.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:07
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I'm pretty shocked the girls won, how did that happen, ha. The whole outcome of this episode has been surpising with the girls winning and then what happened in the boardroom with the boys. Just bafflement in all directions.

I am going to pat Edna on the back for not loosing the task rather than for winning it. The girls all knew they had performed badly and the win doesn't hide that fact. The contrast on the faces of the audience members to the boys pitch in comparison to that of Edna's explained it all really.

I really hope this spat between Edna and Susan doesn't become a prolonged and tedious one. If people argue over details of a task then thats one thing but when personal issues pop up and get mistaken for such issues, thats another. I think with those two it seems a personal dislike for each other that they can't seperate from doing the job professionally. They both need to get over it.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:09
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I said pretty much the same thing to my flatmate. Her people skills are questionable!
I know, a Business Psychologist and coach - scary.
she's gonna give these people a bad [badder] name!

i know a HR person, she is also full of it!

i hope the job doesn't attract a certain type!

<<shudders>>
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:09
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She was VERY lucky. Her pitch was atrocious and what was it with the black gloves!



Perhaps she does Ann Summers evenings?
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:13
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Perhaps she does Ann Summers evenings?
Ha ha. Makes me wonder what she would have handed out instead of doughnuts. Maybe something to fit the hole in the dough?
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:15
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Perhaps she does Ann Summers evenings?
does she have matching kinky boots? i bet she does!
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:17
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she's gonna give these people a bad [badder] name!

i know a HR person, she is also full of it!

i hope the job doesn't attract a certain type!

<<shudders>>
Aren't HR supposed to be good at defusing situations, not inflaming them?
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:19
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I don't think she does either. But that doesn't stop people wishing this was the case.

People keep making nasty comments about her facial structure, um, I mean facial expressions and saying she has an attitude, even though that is just... how her face is.

If you look at her profile picture, she has the same straight-face and lower cut eyes she has in the show. I guess she didn't like the look of the photographer and was giving them the "ghetto stare-down" too, huh?

Sad in this day and age, people can have such a blind, ignorant hate for an individual just because they don't like the look of them.




If it makes you feel any better, I have many more reasons for disliking her rather than simply her looks.

She's arrogant, has a misplaced superiority complex, she's haughty, loud, over-bearing, over-confident, and then ...............................................
Right at the bottom of the list - I can't stand her stupid white lipstick.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:20
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I wonder what the business proposition is that she wants to put to Lord Sugar if she wins.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:21
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Aren't HR supposed to be good at defusing situations, not inflaming them?
maybe, if diffusing is 'just shut up and sit down in that corner!'
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:22
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I don't think she does either. But that doesn't stop people wishing this was the case.

People keep making nasty comments about her facial structure, um, I mean facial expressions and saying she has an attitude, even though that is just... how her face is.

If you look at her profile picture, she has the same straight-face and lower cut eyes she has in the show. I guess she didn't like the look of the photographer and was giving them the "ghetto stare-down" too, huh?

Sad in this day and age, people can have such a blind, ignorant hate for an individual just because they don't like the look of them.
Looks have nothing to do with it. It's her overbearing personality that's a turn off. It was pretty much accepted last year that Paloma was stunning but she was disliked due to her character.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:26
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I wonder what the business proposition is that she wants to put to Lord Sugar if she wins.



I imagine it might be something to do with a training camp for whipping people into shape.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:29
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maybe, if diffusing is 'just shut up and sit down in that corner!'
If you can't compromise CRUSH THEM. That seems to be her strategy
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:29
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I imagine it might be something to do with a training camp for whipping people into shape.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:31
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well done for what? Being a crap PM and only winning because the guys had an atrocious app?

She was a terrible PM.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:37
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Yes indeed, making their own intolerance and attitude problems other people's fault by dismissing those others as 'fools'.

Edna could have simply asked Susan to get to the point and if she couldn't within a couple of minutes, say "I'm sorry I'm going to have to move on".
What she should have done is ask Susan to take a couple of minutes out to think her idea through and in the meantime move on. Instead she just shut her down. Great business psychology for someone who supposedly is "passionate about HR".

The two things which stood out for me:

When she announced who would be doing the big pitch in the style of an X-Factor compere: "and the person I've decided will do the pitch is ............. me".

Her fixed grin when the team feedback about her pitch was *tumbleweed*.

She has an extraordinary ego, even by Apprentice standards.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:45
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The two things which stood out for me:

When she announced who would be doing the big pitch in the style of an X-Factor compere: "and the person I've decided will do the pitch is ............. me".

Her fixed grin when the team feedback about her pitch was *tumbleweed*.

She has an extraordinary ego, even by Apprentice standards.
Perhaps a bit of racial stereotyping, but she reminded me a lot of Omarosa from the US Apprentice.

Also, I believe that apart from Susan she also has a problem with Melody (remember her being told off by her in last night episode while selling the soup?), otherwise she would have let Melody do the pitch.

Her defence in the final boardroom would probably have been that her staff was being sulky instead of helpful.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:47
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What she should have done is ask Susan to take a couple of minutes out to think her idea through and in the meantime move on. Instead she just shut her down. Great business psychology for someone who supposedly is "passionate about HR".

The two things which stood out for me:

When she announced who would be doing the big pitch in the style of an X-Factor compere: "and the person I've decided will do the pitch is ............. me".

Her fixed grin when the team feedback about her pitch was *tumbleweed*.

She has an extraordinary ego, even by Apprentice standards.
Agree entirely - and not just shut her down, but created enmity on Susan's part for the future. It could have been handled better.
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:54
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If you can't compromise CRUSH THEM. That seems to be her strategy
i'm hoping she can now chill out and show her more human side! <fingers crossed>
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Old 12-05-2011, 00:54
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well done for what? Being a crap PM and only winning because the guys had an atrocious app?

She was a terrible PM.
You call it as you see it but I think terrible is way too strong. Terrible was Edward last week. Terrible was Susan's app pitch.

Isn't it telling that the only evidence of Edna's terrible Pming was a poor pitch and a slap down to an idea that had broke down? And strike me if I wrong, but didn't this terrible PM split the team into a focus group - as her first decision - (something the boys didn't do) and wasn't it the said focus group who came up with the idea for the app?

She was lucky(ish) but nowhere near terrible IMHO.
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:04
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What she should have done is ask Susan to take a couple of minutes out to think her idea through and in the meantime move on. Instead she just shut her down. Great business psychology for someone who supposedly is "passionate about HR".

The two things which stood out for me:

When she announced who would be doing the big pitch in the style of an X-Factor compere: "and the person I've decided will do the pitch is ............. me".

Her fixed grin when the team feedback about her pitch was *tumbleweed*.

She has an extraordinary ego, even by Apprentice standards.
Wouldn't someone with an extraordinary ego have thrown a strop or hissy fit say like, oh I dunno... Susan?

Perhaps a bit of racial stereotyping, but she reminded me a lot of Omarosa from the US Apprentice.

Also, I believe that apart from Susan she also has a problem with Melody (remember her being told off by her in last night episode while selling the soup?), otherwise she would have let Melody do the pitch.

Her defence in the final boardroom would probably have been that her staff was being sulky instead of helpful.
Wow. Not only do you gleefully admit to stereotyping, but rush to conjecture as well. As PM, why shouldn't she want to do the pitch? We've all seen enough aprentice series to know what LS thinks of shirkers. As for Susan, I think the problem is entirely in her and FM's heads. Edna didn't show any evidence later that she held a grudge over it.

Agree entirely - and not just shut her down, but created enmity on Susan's part for the future. It could have been handled better.
Susan was talking rubbish and needed to be stopped. That's all Edna did. Did we see her get personal? No. Did we see her give a professional reason for shutting Susan up? Yes. I thought all of those crying foul over the Edna backlash were being too sensitive, but I'm beginning to see an agenda here.

i'm hoping she can now chill out and show her more human side! <fingers crossed>
You, however, are too honest for me to have a go at
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:29
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Susan was talking rubbish and needed to be stopped. That's all Edna did. Did we see her get personal? No. Did we see her give a professional reason for shutting Susan up? Yes. I thought all of those crying foul over the Edna backlash were being too sensitive, but I'm beginning to see an agenda here.
Susan might actually have had an idea but she was bad at getting her thoughts together and expressing them. The approach suggested by allafix preserves the time imperative without making a team member feel discarded, and thus losing their cooperation for the rest of the task and for future working relations. Don't forget the scene was followed by an interview section with Edna where she made comments about not suffering fools gladly and "if you don't agree with the way I do things, you need to get out of my team". I think it's this that's contributed to people's opinions, as they've possibly formed an impression about the attitude behind Edna's approach to others (I did anyway). Had it been the scene with Susan alone, possibly the comments here wouldn't have been so negative.

Oh God, dare I ask what agenda you 'think' you're beginning to see?

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You, however, are too honest for me to have a go at
Which implies that everyone else you've quoted is being dishonest, which implication I find offensive.
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