Everyone backed the idea. Care to tell us who's performed so much better thus far as to make the idea that people see Jim as the best candidate such a ridiculous proposition in your eyes?

Exactly. That performance did more for him than winning any task as pm could have done!

Now all the candidates are more comfortable with eachother their true personalities are going to come out. So I can see Jim maybe getting worse and becoming too overly confident.

Jim kind of reminds me of Phillip, and he may be heading the same way, for an almighty fall.

Honestly dude, lighten up

Do I really have to look up the definition of joke for you?

I am hoping that he will be a team leader next week with Edna and Melonie in his team and that his team loses.

Interesting comparison - I hope for Jims' sake its not too close a path as Phillip is now known as "Pantsman", not "Mr Bodyrocka".

Can't stand the guy. Has passive aggressive traits if you ask me. The way he got Leon to change his mind about bringing him into the boardroom was fair enough but then when Leon chose Glen instead and Glen was basically trying the same tactic Jim used (although not quite as eloquently) Jim piped up "He's made his decision now, it's final" or something like that. Who does he think he is?!

An incredibly funny chap?!

Seriously, just calm down dear, it's only a reality TV program. I think Jim managed to exploit (expertly so) Leon's 'guilt' when it came to making a decision over who should be in the boardroom. In his heart of hearts Leon knew that Jim didn't deserve to be there (neither, imho did Glen!). Personally, I am amazed that Vincent is still in the process; I have a feeling that the only task he will excel in would involve selling cars.

Jim, like everyone, has the propensity to be a complete ass (his suggesting Glen be taken instead is an example of this). That said, he has been the one of the only candidates this year which has not started by being overly egotistical and aggressive; an example which I'd hope other candidates would seek to emulate.

Of course it was cheeky of Jim, but it was up to Glen and Leon to challenge him and they didn't. Jim will need to be careful he doesn't get above his station though. Ultimately, Sugar likes to feel like he's in charge of proceedings.

I think Jim is too clever and manipulative to do that.

I think Jim may be the first candidate to make Lord Sugar *feel* he's in charge while working his Jedi magic on him! Can't wait to see that!

I think the difference is that Phillip wasn't particularly competent. Jim has thus far proven himself to be very competent.

Don't jokes usually involve some form of humour?

I think he's sharp, diligent, on the ball...and a nasty piece of work.

Jim's boardroom performance was already becoming too strident and domineering before Leon selected him to go in for the firing routine. And he was in denial about the charges of racism and stereotyping which the global magazine group made against their app. Over 12 weeks someone like Tom for example will come out as handling criticism better, and having more integrity.

It is not a question of how Jim's jedi-magic will work on Lord Sugar. He'll be found out when he tries to play the smart-alec with Karren or Nick, and then Lord Sugar will be down on him like a ton of bricks. The too-clever-by-half candidate gets caught out on this one every year.

Nick also commended Jim for taking over during the failed pitch by Philip, saying "Jim's in charge when things go wrong. When Vincent dried up, who's in there? Jim's in there".
Think that would have definitely been reported to sralan, which would have certainly helped his case...

[quote=Creamtea;50023898]Can't stand the guy. Has passive aggressive traits if you ask me. The way he got Leon to change his mind about bringing him into the boardroom was fair enough but then when Leon chose Glen instead and Glen was basically trying the same tactic Jim used (although not quite as eloquently) Jim piped up "He's made his decision now, it's final" or something like that. Who does he think he is?![/QUOTE]

The next Alan Sugar I presume

I think it's too early for me to have a favourite yet, but I thought Jim was great in the boardroom. Everyone on the team seemed to look to Jim when it came to deciding who should come back into the final three, suggesting that he's hugely influential and that will work in his favour in future weeks.

I think Jim displayed his strengths, but it really showed up Leon's weakness - being incredibly indecisive and not standing up for what he believed in.

Ok, just so that we're clear on exactly why Jim's accused of being a "nasty piece of work":

LAS: (to Leon) What's your instinct, who are you bringing back in.
Leon: Based on, sort of, the feedback I've been hearing today, I'd like to bring back Alex and Jim.
LAS: Alex and Jim

Jim: Well, it's interesting that he chose myself and Alex. There's actually a few fall guys; Vincent fluffed his speech and I had to save the day, and I don't fluff speeches. Glenn designed the app that turned out to be crap. On two tasks and I've given 100% effort...
Leon: Jim has done a sterling job throughout and, uhm, listening...
Jim: Well then I'm not the person you should be bringing in if you think I've done a sterling job tonight, so you need to change your decision.

Leon: ...so on the basis of Jim's dealing here... I mean, (to LAS) do you want me to change, is that...?
Jim: Change!
LAS: I'm not answering, you're the man, you're bringing in two people
Jim: It's obvious, it's obvious
Leon: Yeah, it's obvious! Ok...
((suspense music pause))
Leon: There's a potential that it could be down to the concept, so ok, on the basis of the failing of this task down to the app, I'm gonna bring Glenn.

Glenn: You wanna bring me back? I don't think you should. Because..
Leon: Listen Glenn, I know, I know..
Jim: The strong and the great.
Glenn: I don't think you should. What do you think Jim?
Jim: The PM's made a decision. I highlighted who I thought made flaws and mistakes and he's chosen you Glenn, so...

Glenn: I think it should be Tom
LAS: The point is, he (pointing at Leon) makes the final decision. I wanna get home tonight. Speak! (points at Leon).
Leon: This is my final decision.

That was genius in so many ways I don't know where to begin!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QW7K...eature=related 9:39 - 10:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCM7_...eature=related 0:00 - 1:09

Oh my days, what sheltered lives some must have if they see Jim as "passive aggressive"

As for the "joke" posted earlier by another FM - meh - well it wasnt "presented" as a joke stating about heavy beatings with the word "Joke perhaps?"...........and jokes are humourous also, or at least ironic - not snide little digs IMO.

Okay the boys lost the task. Every one of them nodded and agreed on the concept. Following that logic Jim then put is all into it - rescuing the imbecile that was Vincent when he couldnt string two words together - and also remaining calm and lucid when told that the app was objectionable.

So are those who think he should have been in there saying that Alex cutting up the bread was a better candidate - or that some of the others who I dont even know their names yet as they have hidden in the background so much.

Jim was ace in the Boardroom. He stayed calm and didnt lose his cool when faced with the idiotic choice of bringing him in.

Actually I think Suralan was angling to Leon to BRING Jim in very clearly, along with Alex - Leon immediately picked up on this which was why he picked Jim (I dont think he would have otherwise).however Jim was having none of it and WELL DONE to him for it!

And the reason SA was possibly angling for this was he wanted rid of the flotsam, Jim was never going to be fired anyway, however this showed what a brilliant people manager he really is!!!

He'll be a rubbish PM, lose by a country mile and get booted off by week 8

Possibly.

But this thread is in regard to his performance last night.

He did all right last night however he'll be a rubbish PM, lose by a country mile and get booted off by week8

Do I hear an echo in here

Nah I take your point - he will tread a very fine line between being absoluely brilliant and overstepping the mark and becoming too clever for his own good.

Sometimes the early front runners end up near the back of the race!

At this point though I do think he is a great people manager, very controlled.

I agree. Phillip came across as cocky but I never felt he was competent enough to justify this. To me, Jim made a couple of mistake on this task but he has also shown himself to make some good contributions to the team. He was assertive in the boardroom but surely somebody needs to be to get to the top in this environment? He pointed out that there were other people who made mistakes rather than resorting to attacking one person in particular so it didnt come across as too nasty in my eyes.


You would think so...

They both pushed on very weak Project Managers and the very weak Project Managers folded immediately, and the events got taken over by chaos (in this case Gavin pointing fingers around wildly at irrelevant people and asking the guy who just criticised him to back him up). I think that's really the core of what happened at the base of it. I'm not seeing any great player, Macchiavellian manipulator or Jedi, because if that were the case he wouldn't have been in line for a Boardroom in the first place. What he did (say he shouldn't be brought back) is pretty common : he just did well to get spineless Leon as a target for his argument.

I think Jim is obviously the strongest candidate for the boys at this stage, but the show starting to paint him as a manipulator (editing in a superfluous wink at the end, then playing this up on You're Fired by representing him as a blood-sucking vampire) makes me think there's trouble ahead or a major shift in edit somewhere soon at the very least. Lest we forget that Katie Hopkins got a very positive edit for the first two episodes and turned out to be the biggest villain of the run. He seems like a leader to the boys now, but they're about to mix genders, which is where Katie started to go down the tubes edit-wise.

I think you have a very different definition of the word "chaos" than I do if that's what you consider it to mean. I would also contest that the weak Leon was anything like as weak as Laura, who was extremely pretty but it was a wonder she could even get herself dressed in the morning.


I don't follow your logic here. Leon chose him because Lord Surallen specifically cited the blurb as being one of the app's two major weaknesses.


It's not so much what he said but the way he said it, and the way everybody else deferred to him afterwards. Again, look at how Leon didn't just change his mind, but repeated Jim's words back at him. And then Glenn, who Jim had just drawn crosshairs on, couldn't get a foothold with weak Leon and so asked Jim to make his argument for him. Both Leon and Glenn deferred to Jim. And if the only factor in changing Leon's mind was simply standing up to him, then why was Jim successful while Glenn wasn't?

Plus, of course, Jim had the advantage of being able to back up his statements by having performed well in both tasks so far.