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Aussie overnights will be out shortly.
I wonder what sort of retention we can expect from Downton Abbey. Excellent start for it last week. |
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Indeed, as recently as November 2009 it had a monthly overnight average of 1.54m for its first airing episodes on Channel 4 (exc +1). That means on average it was pulling 1.5m + every day just 20 months ago. Now fast forward to 2011 and it has averaged overnights of just 0.96m and 0.97m for the last 2 months respectively.
Unfortunately for Channel 4, I don't think they have anything they could replace it with that would be either a UK drama (something they desperately need) or as commercially lucrative in the 16-34 demo. Also if Channel 4 axe Hollyoaks it then paves the way for Channel 5 to move Neighbours into the 6:30pm slot which could cause a bit of a headache for C4. Would be great for C5 though being able to increase Neighbours' ratings by airing it later in the evening and banish the 6:30pm slot of death that they currently have. Quote:
Isn't Saturday 2nd June possible for the BGT final next year anyway? I thought the Diamond Jubilee events will be Monday/Tuesday?
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The earlier start would be partly to allow them to strip the 3 live shows (semi + YT) over the first May holiday weekend. it also means that they're done before The Champions League final the following weekend and Eurovision the next then it's heading into the Jubilee celebrations.
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They managed it in the US - I think it was pretty much done as a regular live show. Except in the VT, they'd look at the YouTube clip. I haven't seen the whole episode but that seems to be how it worked.
Remember though the US is five times the size of the UK. And as for the live shows I think both ITV and BGT - plus if we're honest the viewers - would prefer five semi-finals topped up with acts that shouldn't be there than a couple of semis purely with talent. In all honesty the really bad acts this week come to half a dozen or so at most - and there are certainly eliminated acts who could have taken their place. At most I would cut one semi-final, but replace it with a wildcard show, but really there is no need to at the moment as it would be changes for changes sake. Quote:
There is nothing broken about BGT finals week so why are you attempting to fix it.
The current format retains momentum even if it no longer grows, having gaps in between semis and finals could lose momentum as people forget who is actually in the finals. Quote:
Aussie overnights will be out shortly.
I wonder what sort of retention we can expect from Downton Abbey. Excellent start for it last week. And talking of Aussie shows again, More4 would be wise to snap up Grand Designs Australia. |
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12.19m for BGT's results show?
Really? Makes you wonder whether it was worth generating all that tabloid hype about a "fixing storm" to try and drum up more interest. I suppose it did mean a couple million more watched the final. How does the 12.19m figure compare with the final 30 minutes average of last year's BGT final? Brucie should be pleased. Not only did SCD beat BGT in 2010, it looks like it might do in 2011 - unless ITV run TXF up to 18th December to continue the Christmas No 1 "gifting" tradition. But that will only dent both shows, one assumes. Indeed, SCD's December 2010 final not only beat the 2010 final of BGT, it's now beaten the 2011 final too. As for the BGT winner and runner-up, if both were young singers, what's the difference between BGT and TXF? Isn't TXF supposed to unearth "new singing sensation megastars", and BGT the dancing dogs, puddle-dancing teenagers, middle-aged spinsters who knock out a tune? |
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Makes you wonder whether it was worth generating all that tabloid hype about a "fixing storm" to try and drum up more interest. I suppose it did mean a couple million more watched the final.
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Very respectable for DW by the way, 5.5m.
Add in the timeshift viewing, and the official ratings should even be ahead of the average for the crucial England qualifier on ITV! Which I don't think anyone could reasonably have expected. |
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I am going to assume that this is true (if it isnt i take it back) but its amazing how little hype SCD will get about that fact.
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Very respectable for DW by the way, 5.5m.
Add in the timeshift viewing, and the official ratings should even be ahead of the average for the crucial England qualifier on ITV! Which I don't think anyone could reasonably have expected. |
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Very respectable for DW by the way, 5.5m.
Add in the timeshift viewing, and the official ratings should even be ahead of the average for the crucial England qualifier on ITV! Which I don't think anyone could reasonably have expected. To be Honest i think Doctor who is the surprise rating of saturday. I never expected it to get 5.5m. |
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I'm not sure I follow that, tbh...
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what I meant was that SCD never gets the credit for its big ratings for ITVs Simon Cowell shows do.
Or pretended to be to bag more tabloid column inches.... |
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Ah, ok. I thought you were suggesting SCD was fixed too.
Or pretended to be to bag more tabloid column inches.... |
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I level no such claims at SCD.
Well how to you know SCD Is not fixed. It could be you know. |
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Well how to you know SCD Is not fixed. It could be you know.
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What Australia Watched: Sunday 5th June
Seven
18:00 Seven News 1.51m 18:30 Dancing with the Stars 1.54m 20:30 Downton Abbey 1.87m *up 60k week-on-week. 21:40 Castle (R) 0.64m Nine 18:00 Nine News Sunday 1.50m 18:30 In Their Footsteps 0.94m 19:30 60 Minutes 1.03m 20:30 The Mentalist 0.78m 21:30 The Mentalist (R) 0.55m Ten 18:00 Ten Evening News 0.39m 18:30 Merlin 0.88m 19:30 MasterChef Australia 1.45m 20:30 Hawaii Five-O 0.66m 21:30 NCIS (R) 0.39m ABC1 20:30 The Kennedys 0.64m 7TWO 17:00 Downton Abbey (R) 0.18m |
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Indeed, SCD's December 2010 final not only beat the 2010 final of BGT, it's now beaten the 2011 final That SCD rating came on a day when swathes of the country were housebound due to snow. |
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Seven
18:00 Seven News 1.51m 18:30 Dancing with the Stars 1.54m 20:30 Downton Abbey 1.87m *up 60k week-on-week. 21:40 Castle (R) 0.64m Nine 18:00 Nine News Sunday 1.50m 18:30 In Their Footsteps 0.94m 19:30 60 Minutes 1.03m 20:30 The Mentalist 0.78m 21:30 The Mentalist (R) 0.55m Ten 18:00 Ten Evening News 0.39m 18:30 Merlin 0.88m 19:30 MasterChef Australia 1.45m 20:30 Hawaii Five-O 0.66m 21:30 NCIS (R) 0.39m ABC1 20:30 The Kennedys 0.64m 7TWO 17:00 Downton Abbey (R) 0.18m And is it me, or is MasterChef not really gaining much momentum this year? I know its demos are still chart topping, but Ten must be a touch apprehensive with how often its been getting beaten recently. |
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Superb night for Seven again. Their talent shows seem to have been on top of the game of late, and Downton Abbey is doing as brilliantly in Aus as it did here.
And is it me, or is MasterChef not really gaining much momentum this year? I know its demos are still chart topping, but Ten must be a touch apprehensive with how often its been getting beaten recently. Superb for both Dancing with the Stars and Downton Abbey - ITV will be annoyed that they didn't produce it! I notice NBC Universal were co-producers; have NBC already aired it or do you think they may air it sometime in the summer/autumn?
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MasterChef is turning into Britain's Got Talent. The figures are definitely not something to be sniffed at but it seems to be gradually trickling viewers.
Superb for both Dancing with the Stars and Downton Abbey - ITV will be annoyed that they didn't produce it! I notice NBC Universal were co-producers; have NBC already aired it or do you think they may air it sometime in the summer/autumn? ![]() NBCU co-produce through Carnival Films, a UK production company which they own. They covered some of the deficit (ITV didn't cover all the production costs) and I'd guess deal with international sales. Carnival also make Whitechapel and used to do Hotel Babylon.
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In the US it was broadcast on PBS.
NBCU co-produce through Carnival Films, a UK production company which they own. They covered some of the deficit (ITV didn't cover all the production costs) and I'd guess deal with international sales. Carnival also make Whitechapel and used to do Hotel Babylon. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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So did ITV Studios co-produce the show?
![]() ![]() ![]() I think producers generally have to fund new series to some extent. They recoup that money in repeats, in DVD sales or international sales (and over time can probably demand more money from the network if the show is a hit). For a show like Downton Abbey, the gap between what ITV pay to broadcast and what it actually costs to make is likely to be quite significant. So not many companies could have taken it on - Carnival Films (being owned by NBCU) didn't have that problem. US shows are very heavily funded by the studio. A new drama might cost $3m an hour to make but the network might only pay $1.5m leaving the studio with a $1.5m shortfall. |
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Only just noticed that BBC1 Scotland have been airing Holby City at 8:30pm on Fridays with HIGNFY at 9:30pm in recent weeks (Holby doesn't rate very well in Scotland). That might partly explain why HIGNFY has been a little down of late.
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No, ITV Studios didn't have anything to do with it, although they are developing a new period drama in-house hoping that it can repeat the success of Downton Abbey.
I think producers generally have to fund new series to some extent. They recoup that money in repeats, in DVD sales or international sales (and over time can probably demand more money from the network if the show is a hit). For a show like Downton Abbey, the gap between what ITV pay to broadcast and what it actually costs to make is likely to be quite significant. So not many companies could have taken it on - Carnival Films (being owned by NBCU) didn't have that problem. US shows are very heavily funded by the studio. A new drama might cost $3m an hour to make but the network might only pay $1.5m leaving the studio with a $1.5m shortfall. I'm sure ITV Studios would love to have a hit on their hands like Downton Abbey. I can't see a another 'version' pulling in the same kind of figures; it'll just appear like a copycat.
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I thought ITV Studios did at least co-produce it. Bit of a blow for them considering how much it is making overseas now.
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Ah, ok. I thought you were suggesting SCD was fixed too.
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US shows are very heavily funded by the studio. A new drama might cost $3m an hour to make but the network might only pay $1.5m leaving the studio with a $1.5m shortfall.
Co-productions have become more important especially for drama, Masterpiece which is part of PBS co-produced a range of British drama from Dowton to Sherlock. The new series of Torchwood probably wouldn't have been made without Starz coming on board. |
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