I think SCD will benefit from last year's big audience and also the change of judges on the X Factor.

How can SCD benefit from the change though. I Read somewhere the both won't clash surely it would be the Program after SCD That would Benefit from the new Judges.

What a poor night of tv last night, nothing was really appealing - EE wasn't on form but a fair enough rating, even Jamie Oliver was poor. Tonight can see TA getting a monster rating against Injustice at least double (now the decline has set in.)

You've Been Framed & Famous on ITV1 - this is a dreadful show for primetime, hoping In with The Flynns does not disappoint against it - has a good review in the Mirror, Guardian review was less than enthusaistic.

I know tv has changed a lot but what has happened to the midweek quiz show format, there have been so many over the last 20 years on bbc1/itv1 have they really ran out of ideas?

Pretty poor night all around. Countrywise suffering up against Springwatch, and Emmerdale didn't get a boost for probably the biggest episode this year. Predictable drop for Injustice and I reckon it'll be at a similar level tonight.

Very poor scheduling for Junior Doctors when it's been shown a few times on BBC3 already and Ch4's had another dire night with HO below 1m yet again and 8-11pm heavily underperforming. CSI performed well for its finale, but the 8pm slot is still having problems.

Slightly O/T, but as of this afternoon UK-TV-Guide.co.uk is dead. Anyone going to it is redirected to http://digiguide.tv/?redirfrom=uktv with the message:


Thankfully not much has changed, so you can still view schedules for free for a few weeks to come: http://digiguide.tv/listings-grid/BB...02011/15%3A00/

And on that note, ITV's schedule for Saturday 18th June confirmed:

6:30pm - You've Been Framed!
7:00pm - Odd One In
7:45pm - Penn and Teller
8:45pm - Marriage Ref
9:45pm - ITV News and Weather
10:00pm - FILM: Notting Hill

240k drop for Lead Balloon compared to episode one (which included HD).

Wonder how many HD viewers had it on series link, or found it on the EPG at 12.40am and will watch it during the week?

Geordie Show increased its ratings again last night to 362K for the third episode. Could be to do with the controversy and MTV's decision to not screen the episodes on its website. I'd say a second series is likely.

Yeah, Geordie Shore is doing well and a second series is looking very likely. They've already commissioned 2 x 60-minute 'Geordie Shore' Magaluf summer specials: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/c...028415.article

I'm amazed with golf being so good in HD, that only an average of 111,000 watched the final day's play of the PGA on BBC HD, compared to 1.4m in SD.

They mentioned it a few times on air, so a 7% share when BBC HD is available in circa 25% of homes is amazingly poor.

It would be interesting to see the figures from Saturday when it was a BBC One/BBC One HD simulcast.

I shall continue to dispute the accuracy of BBC HD's ratings!!

We should do a straw poll on here to find out many of us who have access to BBC HD actually watch it.

Also, does anyone who has HD still watch 101, apart from specific local programming?

Are you sure that figure for Animal Kindgom is correct? DS says 3.0m!

Cheers mate.

Yes, me!!! I watch 101 because its next to the other channels I watch. I'm guessing much like most people and until HD services are pushed to the main EPG for all platforms (where it's available) you will continue to see depressed audiences.

Secondly, you regularly out of hand dismiss the accuracy of BBC HD figures yet never give any reasons for this other than 'I can't believe it'..... why should ratings for BBC HD be inaccurate and those for other channels be accurate? Within the confines of 95% confidence intervals, the way BBC HD is measured is no different to any other channel. The 'sample of one' argument you continue to push is starting to wear thin. Could you give me your expose on why you think they are innaccurate or indeed quote some other research to back up these claims?

I cannot imagine watching SD BBC1/ITV1 now I have seen the HD equivalent. Downstairs I have got VM XL so a good choice of HD - in bedroom I have Freeview HD - which is still 4 decent HD channels. Picture quality isn't everything but for example watching HD Discovery versus SD Discovery Turbo the difference is incredible.

Having just looked at the DS rating, it seems incorrect. The DS rating would suggest that over 27m watched TV between 7.30-8pm which is way way too high, and the EE figure tells us it was more like ~20m watching TV. Therefore I'm inclined to believe Bushmill's figure is correct.

less than I expectedf or Angry Boys, but I was expecting to see more characters than we did see in the episodes, im pleased for Junior Doctor it did fine.

You're an insider, so is Danielle Nagler, head of BBC HD. You say one thing, she says another. Who's an outsider supposed to believe?

I asked Danielle:
She replied
Do you know what percentage of homes BARB monitors have Sky HD/Virgin HD/Freesat HD/Freeview HD?

I disagree with that. Its another 3m who have had the chance to sample the show so that when it comes back, possibly on BBC1, the public are well aware of it.

derek500 - you keep on about HD viewing figures but you have to understand that WATCHING TV IS A PASSIVE ACTIVITY.

People do not devote large amounts of thought to exactly what they are watching.

People flick the TV on and see what's on and watch it.

They do what is MOST CONVENIENT.

Searching up the EPG to channel 143 let alone 169 is something which DOES NOT ENTER MOST PEOPLE'S HEADS. Even if they have HD.

Apologies for the capital letters but you have made the same point literally hundreds of times and you appear unable to digest the answer.

We also have the issue that large numbers of people with HD ready TVs think they are watching EVERYTHING in HD AUTOMATICALLY.

I know two highly educated people - people who read broadsheet newspapers, buy and sell shares regularly with share portfolios of tens of thousands of pounds who both were absolutely convinced they were watching everything in HD as they had an HD TV set.

Continuing with the HD theme, here are the most recent reach figures for seperately recorded HD channels.

Viewers daily % viewers weekly %

ITV 1 HD 1.465m 2.6 4,637m 8.1
BBC HD 0.473m 0.8 1.987m 3.5
Discovery HD 0.112m 0.2 0.574m 1.0
Eurosport HD 0.191m 0.3 0.545m 1.0
MGM HD 0.031m 0.1 0.183m 0.3
MTVN HD 0.041m 0.1 0.251m 0.4

ITV1 HD has a plumb 113 slot on Virgin but is hidden away as 51 on Freeview, BBC HD is 50 on Freeview but is hidden at 187 on Virgin. Looking at these figures we can estimate that c.10% of viewers watch some HD in an average week.

I look forward to the day that the HD channels take the respective SD slots and SD is pushed further down the EPG.

HD viewing will only become regular even in HD homes when the EPG numbers change.

Ask yourself - why did only 300,000 people watch Primeval on Watch when it gets 3m on ITV and over 50% of homes have Pay TV?

Surely it should have got over 1.5m on Watch?

Answer: No. Because people can't be bothered to look for it down the EPG.

If people can't be bothered to look for actual different programmes, they certainly can't be bothered to look for HD pictures.

Only idiots would think that they were watching HD when the picture is the same as before - I know we have more than our fair share of stupid people in this country - but considering most people pop into Dixons/John Lewis etc to check out the HD demos - and see the results are breathtaking to most eyes. I understand the EPG argument - I would love to move my HD channels to the top of the guide, the best I can do on my Freeview TV is set the HD channels as favorites and they appear first as default at the push of a button.

This is a Ratings thread and people are entitled to query HD ratings as well as SD. Based on some research I would say 10% of viewers regularly watch in HD - by the time of London 2012 and the digital switchover is complete I expect the numbers to be much higher. A full size HD Freeview tv can be bought for under £300 now - things will start to change rapidly.

Well, my advice is to believe a researcher not a channel head.
Otherwise, again shock horror....head of channel thinks their ratings should be higher....pretty much think we would get that response from every channel head to be honest. If Danielle has a problem why isn't she speaking to the BBC Research team who commission BARB, am guessing she has and they've told her it's fine and that there is a whole lot of difference between penetration and actual audience. Sony TV in theory has the potential to reach 28m viewers who have a digital satellite platform yet only manage to achieve less than 100k reach a day!! Clearly it must be wrong!

I cant tell you the penetration of the HD split because BARB does not break it down that way in the published files. BARB do measure, control and weight accordingly though and so do represent HD homes correctly (their panel design and penetration is pain stakingly assessed by stakeholders so don't be under any illusions that it's just allowed to not be representative).

I'm still struggling to understand your (and Danniele's) logic, people have it so people will watch it? Ever thought the fact it sits on a shocking EPG and its programme scheduling might have something to do with it? What do I know?

The other thing is that the BBC has no incentive to get people to watch its HD channels.

Before the Sky EPG swap, Richard Keys told viewers endlessly - go to Sky Sports HD1 on channel 408 etc etc etc.

Why? Because Sky wants everyone to get HD because Sky makes money out of HD.

Now consider the BBC. It makes no difference to the BBC if people watch in SD or HD. So they have no reason to promote HD.

How often does the BBC say "Go to channel 143 / 169 etc for HD"?

Answer: Never.

In addition to not caring whether you watch in SD or HD, there's a 2nd, important, reason:

If viewers keep scrolling up their EPGs to 143 / 169 etc, there is an increased risk people will stumble over non-PSB channels that they hardly ever watch.

Result: BBC would LOSE viewers.

Remember - we are talking about people buying new HD ready TVs.

So they are getting a much better picture than they had with what may have been a 10 year old TV that they have just thrown out (or has just broken down).

Not ratings related but it'll be interested how the departure of Laurence Fishburne will affect CSI. Given the mixed reactions by fans of the show, I think it won't affect ratings too much although I wonder if Channel 5 acquires a hot US show like Person of Interest, Unforgettable would they have the guts to move CSI and have the new show on Tuesdays.

With regard to HD debate, we've retuned our programme schedule so that, all HD channels feature first. It's usually BBC1 HD, Sky AtlanticHD and BBCHD that I watch, I would watch BBC4 And More4 if they were available in HD