Tch, three new programmes starting back to back, how's that going to help any of them find an audience? They did exactly the same with the first series of Odd One In and it didn't help that at all. They should have put one of those in between the two halves of Britain's Got Talent.


More likely it was because episode one was truly awful.

I expect CBS will make Channel 5s decesion for it, CSI is in dire need of a leed.

As I type we know this

Regulars CSIs
Nick Stokes - George Eads
Sara Sidle - Jorja Fox
Greg Sanders - Eric Szmanda
Morgan Brody - Elisabeth Harnois (promoted to series regular, after guest role in S11)

Other regulars
Dr. Albert (Al) Robbins - Robert David Hall
David Hodges - Wallace Langham
David Phillips - David Berman
Captain James (Jim) Brass - Paul Guilfoyle

and finally, Catherine Willows (Marg Helgenberger) should really be lead, but its unclear how many episodes she will be in S12, S11 was meant to be her last.

The problem is Catherine aside, I see no logical lead for the show.

NBC's schedule change might not be paying off after all (surprisingly, IMO). The Voice, broadcasting its first live show, posted declines vs its own 10pm hour last week but also in the 9pm hour vs last weeks America's Got Talent premiere.

America's Got Talent was also down from last week. The hour long second episode drew a 3.6, down 16% from last weeks 4.2 premiere that ran to 10pm. But in the 8pm hour it was effectively flat.

Fast Nationals:
Last night vs Last week:

8.00pm - 3.2 vs 3.2
8.30pm - 4.0 vs 4.1
9.00pm - 4.8 vs 4.7
9.30pm - 4.5 vs 4.8
10.00pm - 4.6 vs 4.9
10.30pm - 4.2 vs 4.9

8pm - America's Got Talent - 12.6m (3.6)
9pm - The Voice - 12.2m (4.5)

38% of the AGT audience were A18-49. 49% of the audience for The Voice were aged 18-49. That's up a bit from last week (44%) but with the AGT lead-in it's definitely skewing older than it used to (prior to that it was around a 60% skew).

The more traditional summer battle resumes tonight - America's Got Talent is airing 9-11pm and will clash with So You Think You Can Dance which airs from 8-10pm. NBC have Minute To Win It at 8pm.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...f-rises/95006/

I never question the Sky pay HD multichannels ratings as BARB seem to reflect (even those without the same EPG numbers) HD shares in line with subscribers.

So those viewers don't have this problem looking for HD versions!!

e.g. A show on Discovery HD will get more individual HD viewers than say a similar type programme on BBC HD, which is available in many more homes.

But thats because Discovery is on Ch. 520 and Discovery HD on Ch. 536. It's much less of a leap to switch from one to the other than looking for BBC or ITV HD channels.

What you don't seem to appreciate, Derek, is the barrier in a lot of people's heads between 101-5 and "the rest". The terrestrials will continue to gain disproportionately higher shares than multichannels (even their own HD equivalents) simply because of their position on the EPG and the way they are conceived by the public at large. That difference does not exist between, for instance, Discovery and Discovery HD.

There's a key difference:

If you're willing to search the EPG deeply enough to find Discovery (SD) then you're willing to search a miniscule fraction further to find Discovery HD.

(Not sure why Discovery didn't do the HD channel swap?)

In contrast the BBC1 audience is massively more skewed towards casual viewers.

EDIT: Beaten to it by sn_22!!!

Re this debate you don't need to be Einstein to work out why ITV doesn't hand back its PSB licences do you?

EPG position is everything.

My old man keeps asking me whether when it says "HD ready" on a TV set advertised in the paper it means he gets HD telly if he buys it. Er, no. I keep having to tell him, and he's well educated and not (yet) senile.

For people who aren't so bright, they may well have assumed one leads automatically to the other, and if the picture quality is a bit better than their old set - well, of course it is because they're now "watching in HD".

I think you make a very fair point.

Also, when continuity announcers say "and now on BBC1 and BBC1HD", I suspect many now just think "well that means us, because we're watching BBC1 on our HD ready set". Indeed, they might even know they've got a Freeview HD set and still just assume channel 1 means BBC1HD.

Plus I still think the DOGs have a bearing. Given how much DW fans, for example, rioted on the streets when a cartoon Norton popped up, I doubt many of them choose to watch a channel with "BBC OneHD" burnt into the top corner, no matter how feintly...

http://transmission.blogs.topgear.co...tarts-26-june/

Person of Interest would be an awesome pickup by Channel 5. I hope they get it.

I agree totally, but not by the difference in margins we're seeing. 30% HD share for Discovery compared to 3% share for BBC HD.

It seems to me that BARB is working fine with Sky HD but the free channels are losing out.

e.g. Does BARB allow for the 1.5m homes that have a Sky+HD box but no HD sub, so can watch all the PSB HD channels but not the pay ones?

Why does Nagler say Freeview HD isn't on the panel? Why does she say that BARB 'lags behind'?

Which makes me wonder why ITV didn't commission a summer special of Essex. Considering throughout the series they kept referring to their holiday in Marbella, I would have thought it a no-brainer.

Hopefully TG should get a clear run this summer, with no particular sporting distractions that I can think of, a massively over-running Wimbledon men's final aside. Antiques Roadshow and Opera Star (if still running) shouldn't present much competition.

But I do think airing a flagship show in July and August is a bit daft, frankly.

im not saying anything

Brilliant for Geordie Shore, increasing yet again... what was the MTV+1 rating? It's doing very very well.

Wow Magaluf special? I am going to Magaluf on 4th July, I would love to see them!!

Here's a better question: why don't we have a seperate HD ratings thread just for you? You're obsessed.

Looks like ITV have shifted their schedule back 15 minutes on Saturday 18th, so it now seems to be:

18:15 You've Been Framed
19:15 Odd One In
20:00 Penn & Teller: Fool Us
21:00 The Marriage Ref
22:00 ITV News
22:15 FILM: Notting Hill

I just got those timings from the ITV Press Centre, so I don't know what BBC1's final schedule is, apart from Casualty is on from 20:50-21:40 so they've definitely moved things around. Is Lee Mack's show definitely post-watershed? The description makes it sound like a pre-watershed show and if it isn't pre-watershed then BBC1 will have no new programmes on Saturdays until 8pm (unless you count the return of Don't Scare The Hare) when the lottery is on which doesn't sound right.

I said Injustice had to stayabove 5m if it was to perform well tonight...so I'm expecting quite a low figure after yesterday's performance. ITV's 'Don't Care Abou Tuesday' continues it seems with some more dire figures. BBC1 did well until 9pm, though Junior Doctors didn't collapse.


So ITV are airing a whole schedule of new scheduling and BBC1 have no new programming until 8pm and then it's two programmes that are never off air? I'd have put my money on it being the other way round if anything!

BBC1 will probably have a solid ~5m for the 1.5 hours of Who Dares Wins and Casualty. That'll ensure they win primetime. John Bishop's Britain launched with 4m in a similar slot last year so I'm expecting a c.4m start for Lee Mack's All Star Cast too. As for ITV1, I think apart from YBF! and maybe Penn & Teller Fool Us depending on how well it's promoted, they'll be looking at <4m. However if it's any consolation, I can see them beating BBC1 in the 16-34s.

Odd One in is on for 8 episodes and ends 6th August so i would have thought ITV Will have a film on the Week After and then the X Factor will begin on 20th August.

I agree, Who Dares Wins and Casualty are very solid performers when ITV's Cowell shows are away. I notice it'll be the last in the series of Who Dares Wins though - is In It To Win It back soon? 4m sounds about right for Lee Mack, whilst Kung-Fu Panda will probably do 3-4m. Hopefully Fool Us will be above 4m but other than that YBF will probably do 3-4m, with Odd One In in the low 3's. I can see Marriage Ref actually being <3m if it isn't promoted well, which is a shame as they seem to have some decent people involved. Fool Us did really well with 16-34s in January (25% of its audience and it beat Hustle) so it should at least win its slot there (and maybe win the night).

For some reason the BBC1 schedule seems to have disappeared AGAIN (even from this post) so here it is once more:

17:35 Total Wipeout
18:35 FILM: Kung-Fu Panda
20:00 The National Lottery: Who Dares Wins
20:50 Casualty
21:40 Lee Mack's All Star Cast
22:20 BBC News

It seems like Don't Scare the Hare may have been dumped completely...

Maybe 4:35pm, weekday, CBBC1 next?

(edit, DS has a disappearing posts problem I think)

It does seem as though it's gone completely as it was on the schedule this morning but Wipeout has replaced it now.

Yeah definitely a problem with both disappearing posts and disappearing edits, as I've edited my last 2 posts a couple of times and previous edits (with the BBC1 schedule) have disappeared...

I don't think any of those ITV shows will trouble the BBC in Total People. Business as usual for the summer I predict.

Kung Fu Panda should do well, is that a premiere? I thought they were repeating the god awful Shrek 3 there which sent me to sleep at Christmas.

Yeah, I'm sure I remember some Big Break editions sitting on the shelf for three years before they were shown, occasionally accompanied by end-credit announcements saying some of the contestants had died since filming. There was one edition where two of the three contestants had died.

They didn't make any editions in 1999 or 2000, which eventually enabled them to catch up. They did the final series in 2001, and I think it took until December 2002 to finish screening them, with, if I recall correctly, the insult of having five minutes cut out, in order to accommodate the Wednesday lottery draw.