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The Ratings Thread (Part 20)
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derek500
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“The Sky figures include FTA channels.

The 40% figure is the % of all TV viewing which is done through the Sky Platform - ie through a Sky box, whatever channel is being watched.”

Understood!!
Brekkie
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“And, from Broadcast, Loose Women could be heading for the axe: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...028558.article

Interesting to note (or not, probably not) that Sharon Powers was also the executive for the lowest rated Big Brother series in Summer 2009. Coincidence?”

IMO she was responsible for the best (BB6/CBB4) and the worst (BB10) Big Brother's.

I wouldn't read too much into that article - a fall of 2% in two years isn't that much in the bigger picture - as they point out themselves it's gone from 1.3m to 1.2m. I think it's someone looking for a story myself and as they admit themselves any planned changes have nothing to do with ratings.
seansnotmyname@
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“IMO she was responsible for the best (BB6/CBB4) and the worst (BB10) Big Brother's.

I wouldn't read too much into that article - a fall of 2% in two years isn't that much in the bigger picture - as they point out themselves it's gone from 1.3m to 1.2m. I think it's someone looking for a story myself and as they admit themselves any planned changes have nothing to do with ratings.”

BB6 was horrid, and didn't really get that high a rating. she helped ruin BB, which I was annoyed at, but if she helps sink Loose Women, she'll be my heroine.
square_eyes
09-06-2011
BBC One are fast getting a stranglehold on Wednesdays.The Waterloo Road scheduling seems inspired, impacting on whatever ITV show at 8pm, and the Apprentice is resurgent this time around.

Ahead of the football coming back, and any rescheudling of Corrie I think the only way they can counter it in the short term is with an hour long Emmerdale. There is a big soap audience crossover (WR is a soap it's in the DS Soap ratings round-up ) so the WR road viewers would be more likely to stay with Emmerdale giving a boost to the 8pm junction.

As stripped dramas go Injustice has failed, and it's fate was set in that first plodding episode. Opening episodes have to engage the viewer quickly, and even moreso with a stripped drama as it's a bigger commitment to watch over 5 nights than it is say one night a week.

ITV's factual laden summer schedule and untested Saturday night schedule is going to make for a difficult summer period I think. Interesting times.
Charnham
09-06-2011
Loose Women axe, I wont shed a single tear
D.M.N.
09-06-2011
Nigel Lythgoe says BBC have not axed So You Think You Can Dance yet: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s113/...eryl-cole.html
Fudd
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Nigel Lythgoe says BBC have not axed So You Think You Can Dance yet: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s113/...eryl-cole.html”

"Yet" being the key word there.

So BBC1's way of establishing itself on Wednesday was pulling the 8pm show back by 30 minutes? Simple but inspired, really. I hope they don't keep giving Waterloo Road more episodes though. It shouldn't turn ointo another Holby City/Casualty; IMO it'll harm the quality of the show. After the positive reviews it's good so see it rate well, and Emmerdale recorded a strong figure too. Not so good for In With The Flynns and Injustice though, but the latter held up better than I expected after how it struggled on Tuesday night.
Chris1964
09-06-2011
Mmm, I think the only chance that SYTYCD has is if the BBC simply has nothing else to put in its place. I cant see anything they can do as its clear the public here just dont go for what effectively is anonymous gymnastic vague dance. Interesting to see him mention the 5.30 start, surely it was part ratings performance that got it shoved there in the first place.
Steve Williams
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Jim Davison was never mega famous he was just loud, rude and thought he was still funny. he never had the warmth that Bruce had, (oddly I never saw any non-white contestants on GG or BB when Jim hosted.)”

I recall the BBC specifically asking for contestants who were disabled or from an ethnic minority on Big Break - I certainly remember a number of blind contestants - as it was one of the few quizzes the disabled could actually participate in. Although given they had to meet Jim Davidson, I don't know how many fancied it.

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Yes, it regularly got 15-16m every single week in its prime. I remember the Beeb brought it forward to 7.50pm and featured some racier storylines which the Daily Mail got all excited about - there was some controversy and the Beeb had to pull it off air for a week and rescheduled it for 9.30pm - that episode then got the biggest audience of the run, about 17.7m I think.

The episode in 1994 that aired straight after the Noel-fronted debut National Lottery draw (itself a 21m hit with a 23m peak IIRC) got 18.5m. I think that is Casualty's biggest ever audience?”

I do know that Casualty's most consistently succesful period was around 1996, as at the start of that year there was a big run of lottery rollovers, back when the nation was nuts about it, so that was getting huge ratings, and Casualty was actually getting more viewers. Looking at some old RTs, I see it got 17.6 million on Saturday 6th January 1996, two million more than the lottery.

The final episode of the 1993 series was of course the one where there was a riot at Holby and they had to shove it post-watershed at the last minute, I remember Auntie's Bloomers filling the gap. The Beeb apologised for that episode in the end, for being too graphic, and they replaced the producer.

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Poor at 9pm though which is yet another sub-1m show at 9pm for the channel within a week.”

It's a shame Travels With My Family got under a million, it was highly entertaining documentary of the old style. I assume it was simply completely overshadowed by The Apprentice.

In its style it reminded me of a Forty Minutes, and it's perhaps a shame we don't have a successful strand like that these days, Forty Minutes used to be on for six months of the year and would usually get quite a loyal audience. I don't think that even three or four series on people know what the Wonderland strand is about. It certainly doesn't have the recognition that Cutting Edge gets.

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think Big Break was getting 14m at some point during its 1993/94 series!

I'm not enirely sure how the Generation Game ratings went between Bruce's departure and Jim's arrival, but I seem to recall they fell initially, which wasn't surprising because Jim's first full series was a bit weak: it still contained the plays for the final game. Those plays suited Brucie, but not Jim. There was also rumoured to be mutual dislike between Jim and his assistant, Sally Meen. For Jim's second series, there was a new assistant, and more of the games seemed a better fit with Jim, and I suspect he had much more input than he did in the first series. Lots of his showbiz mates used to appear quite regularly.”

The first ever episode of Big Break, in 1991, got 16.5 million viewers, and it was a big show in its day even though it was clearly just Bullseye-but-with-snooker.

Davidson's first series of the Gen Game was awful, they fiddled the format a bit and it was all a bit of a mess. I remember he had the worst catchphrase ever, going into the conveyor belt, where he said "If you don't know what happens here..." and the audience had to shout "...you're already dead!", which was crap. I remember the contestants entered in a 2CV, that was quite good.

As you say, Jim's second series got rid of most of the contrived bits and Jim seemed a bit more relaxed, which was of course later to become to the show's detriment because it became a load of self-indulgent unfunny rubbish. They also changed producer, I remember Guy Freeman did Jim's first series, but didn't do the second as he took over on Noel's House Party - and he was the one who was sacked mid-series because Noel had fallen out with him, the beginning of the end for that show.

I remember when Brucie was in charge, the Gen Game's ratings fell during the 1992 series so in 1993 it was moved back to Fridays - as the first series in 1990 was - but rather fortunately it was during the six months that ITV had moved The Bill to Saturdays, so it didn't go up against that but You Bet, and the Gen Game's ratings rocketed again, I'm pretty sure it was its highest rated series, and they "promoted" it back to Saturday the following year. Those were the days, of course, when a series moving from Saturday to Friday was a serious demotion (cf Russ Abbott).

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“Loose Women axe, I wont shed a single tear”

Everyone forgets they already have axed Loose Women, about ten years ago they changed the name to Live Talk for a bit, so as not to scare off male viewers, and then dropped it for at least eighteen months or so, before it turned up again. Quite why it's lasted so long I don't know, I seem to recall the first few years being pretty unsuccessful.
Dancc
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Not so good for In With The Flynns and Injustice though, but the latter held up better than I expected after how it struggled on Tuesday night.”

It's following more or less the same pattern as Father & Son last year, stabilising at around 4m a night after that initial drop from episode 1 to 2.
Fudd
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's following more or less the same pattern as Father & Son last year, stabilising at around 4m a night after that initial drop from episode 1 to 2.”

It has easier opposition tonight so it shouldn't lose anymore on last night. Have I Got News For You doesn't appear to be the ratings behemoth it once was either, so maybe Injustice could take advantage of that.
rzt
09-06-2011
It's a while away still, but there's an hour long episode of EastEnders airing on Thursday 7th July:

Monday 4th July - Episode 4240
Tuesday 5th July - Episode 4241
Thursday 7th July - Episodes 4242/4243 - ONE HOUR
Friday 8th July - Episode 4244

Looks like it's two episodes joined together. Not sure if that episode is to make up for the one which was sort-of dropped for Comic Relief or rugby (?), but it could be quite a big one
Fudd
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“It's a while away still, but there's an hour long episode of EastEnders airing on Thursday 7th July:

Monday 4th July - Episode 4240
Tuesday 5th July - Episode 4241
Thursday 7th July - Episodes 4242/4243 - ONE HOUR
Friday 8th July - Episode 4244

Not sure if that episode is to make up for the one which was sort-of dropped for Comic Relief or rugby (?), but it might be quite a big one ”

EastEnders and Emmerdale clash, with the former having the upper hand which makes a change. I don't think it was ever officially 'dropped' for Comic Relief has they had the 10 minute episode on the night. I think it was dropped for the Rugby at one point though.
Chris1964
09-06-2011
Casualty was a huge hitter for the BBC. I remember episodes were structured around some horrendous mangled accident involving constuction sites and farm machinery or anything that involved lingering pain. And ofcourse huge set pieces like a plane crash. The private lives of the staff were very much second fiddle back then.

The Gen Game return was a classy triumph imo, really caught the imagination of the public and the fact that Bruce returned with it meant those who watched in the seventies tuned in as well as a new generation. I remember they gave Bruce a piece of crystal on his last show before his eventual ill fated return to ITV.

Jim Davidson first series was poor, it did improve but he was far better suited to Big Break which was very popular in its day. The Davidson/Virgo double act was remarkably good and it was a game show that could easily have fitted on ITV.JD is often derided but he was part of some big rated shows-his ITV stand up comedy half hours got huge figures in the early eighties and registered at least one number one rated show.

EDIT: According to Televisions Greatest Hits, that number one weekly rated show was 6th of June 1984(one hour from 8pm) with 14.1 million viewers. It seems to have been more variety than stand up-the cast list was The Brother Lees, Frank Carson,Windsor Davies,Clive Dunn,Melvyn Hayes,Tim Healey,The Krankies(was there ever a variety show without Krankies?),Lindisfarne,Bill Pertwee,Tony Selby and Bob Todd. Thats quite a list!
Also Jims 1979 New Years Eve special at 7pm had 16.3 million and his Falklands Special on Christmas Eve 1984 had 14.7 million.
rzt
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“EastEnders and Emmerdale clash, with the former having the upper hand which makes a change. I don't think it was ever officially 'dropped' for Comic Relief has they had the 10 minute episode on the night. I think it was dropped for the Rugby at one point though.”

I've just checked: the episode which was dropped due to rugby was shown earlier in that week as EE had an episode of Wednesday 2nd February (they ran 4 nights in a row Mon-Thu). The Comic Relief 10-minute special wasn't "officially" counted as an episode so I think this upcoming double-episode makes up for that dropped one.
Fudd
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I've just checked: the episode which was dropped due to rugby was shown earlier in that week as EE had an episode of Wednesday 2nd February (they ran 4 nights in a row Mon-Thu). The Comic Relief 10-minute special wasn't "officially" counted as an episode so I think this upcoming double-episode makes up for that dropped one. ”

I always thought it was counted as one. I'm surprised BBC1 didn't air the hour long last Thursday to try and boost the share against Britain's Got Talent - but it'll probably get more on a 'normal' night.
Charnham
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Everyone forgets they already have axed Loose Women, about ten years ago they changed the name to Live Talk for a bit, so as not to scare off male viewers, and then dropped it for at least eighteen months or so, before it turned up again. Quite why it's lasted so long I don't know, I seem to recall the first few years being pretty unsuccessful.”

forgets? thats the frist ive heard of it. Still I can hardly claim to be an expert on the ITV Daytime scheulde
Brekkie
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I've just checked: the episode which was dropped due to rugby was shown earlier in that week as EE had an episode of Wednesday 2nd February (they ran 4 nights in a row Mon-Thu). The Comic Relief 10-minute special wasn't "officially" counted as an episode so I think this upcoming double-episode makes up for that dropped one. ”

It's quite frightening to think of the cash they'd save if they actually dropped the episodes of EE, Holby and Casualty that needed dropping due to well known annual commitments rather than rescheduling.
C14E
09-06-2011
FOX:
8pm - So You Think You Can Dance - 7.13m (2.8)

NBC:
8pm - Minute To Win It - 4.65m (1.3)
9pm - America's Got Talent - 12.3m (3.6)

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...s-crown/95128/

When SYTYCD and AGT clashed at 9pm, it was 3.2 vs 2.8 in favour of AGT. In its second hour, AGT built to a 3.9 rating.

That was America's Got Talent's highest Wednesday rating since 2006 and a 20% improvement on the equivalent episode last season. So You Think You Can Dance? was down 7% vs the same night last year. Both are likely to improve in final ratings.

Minute To Win It performed particularly poorly. An AGT repeat would be doing a 2.0 in that slot. But there's only 1 week until The Voice slots into Wednesdays at 8pm.
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Scheduling wise, FOX are already making changes based on the slow start to season 2 of Masterchef (1.8 on Monday, 1.9 on Tuesday). For the time being, it will shift to the more favourable 9pm slot and a rerun will take the 8pm hour on Mondays. Then as of July 18th/19th, Gordon Ramsay will take over Mondays & Tuesdays with Hell's Kitchen split over 2 nights at 8pm and Masterchef following at 9pm.

Masterchef wasn't up to much last summer when it aired without the HK lead-in so I've no idea why it has been given an extended run this summer.
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NBC have unveiled the next show that will serve as a lead-in to the AGT live shows - only to be cancelled after 3 weeks and replaced by AGT reruns. "It's Worth What?" has contestants guessing the value of items for a $1m prize.

And FOX have scheduled their ITV Studios produced Buried Treasure for Wednesdays at 8pm as of late August, when SYTYCD finishes. It's part of the glut of shows designed to capitalise on the success of History's Pawn Stars. Quite why a broadcast network are joining that bandwagon so late, I have no idea.

What it also tells us is that X Factor USA is almost certain not to launch until premiere week.
Roscoe Barnes
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Wednesday 8th June Overnights
BBC One
19:30- Waterloo Road: 5.3m (25.4%)
20:30- In With the Flynns: 4.1m (18.9%)
21:00- The Apprentice: 7.5m (30.3%)
* peak: 8.2m

ITV1 (inc ITV1+1)
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.9m (35.1%)
19:30- Poms in Paradise: 3.3m (15.9%)
20:00- You've Been Framed and Famous!: 3.1m (13.8%)
21:00- Injustice: 4.0m (15.2%)

Ratings include HD and are full-slot averages”

BBC are really establishing a solid Wednesday night line up. Just think a few years ago the Emmerdale, Corrie, The Bill frenzy always ruled the roost. Wow, how things have changed. ITV really need to get Corrie back here if they want to get back control of Wedneday's. In doing this it could dent the Thursday 9pm slot which has benefited dramas alot this year. I guess they could move the 20.30 Corrie to Wednesday and keep the Thursday episode as it rates OK now IMO.

The Apprentice is on fine form this year. 7.5m is a very respectable rating and could timeshift to 8.5m in the officials. Injustice is holding up OK. I think it will get a boost tonight and tomorrow from the Corrie lead in. Poms and YBF did poor and ITV should be getting more than this especially as Emmerdale was quite strong last night.
Agent F
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“BBC are really establishing a solid Wednesday night line up. Just think a few years ago the Emmerdale, Corrie, The Bill frenzy always ruled the roost. Wow, how things have changed. ITV really need to get Corrie back here if they want to get back control of Wedneday's. In doing this it could dent the Thursday 9pm slot which has benefited dramas alot this year. I guess they could move the 20.30 Corrie to Wednesday and keep the Thursday episode as it rates OK now IMO.”

Whatever happens I can't see the Thursday soap block moving.

I would imagine they'd move the second Friday episode to Wednesday nights, as the 9pm slot on a Friday seems to rely less on Coronation Street.

As long as they don't commission a sixth episode...
Roscoe Barnes
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Whatever happens I can't see the Thursday soap block moving.

I would imagine they'd move the second Friday episode to Wednesday nights, as the 9pm slot on a Friday seems to rely less on Coronation Street.

As long as they don't commission a sixth episode...”

Yeah I agree there. I can't see them moving the soap block either. I think the best thing to do is move the second Friday episode to Wednesday as it does nothing to boost the 9pm show. However I do really enjoy the double bills. A 6th episode would be highly unlikely IMO.
iaindb
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“Whatever happens I can't see the Thursday soap block moving.

I would imagine they'd move the second Friday episode to Wednesday nights, as the 9pm slot on a Friday seems to rely less on Coronation Street.

As long as they don't commission a sixth episode...”

This is what I predict they will do.

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Roscoe Barnes
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“This is what I predict they will do.

& ”

Hmmmm. I've just remembered Emmerdale has 6 episodes so maybe its more possible than I originally thought...
Fudd
09-06-2011
BBC1
Doctors 2.5 hours a week
EastEnders 2 hours a week
Casualty 50 minutes a week
Holby City 1 hour a week

Total: 6 hours 20 minutes

And that's not including Waterloo Road and River City (in Scotland) which DS counts as soaps.

ITV1
Emmerdale 3 hours a week
Coronation Street 2.5 hours a week

Total: 5 hours 30 minutes a week

Even if Coronation Street adds an episode it'll only be six hours a week for ITV1, so let's not be critical eh?
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