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Old 10-06-2011, 11:54
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Andrew Marr's Megacities seems really low with just 2.46m (11%) on BBC One in the 8pm hour
Puts George's earlier comments in context then.

BBC1 delivered a solid 5m for its DofE interview after a 2.46m inheritance against ITV's soaps - and after ITV had aired its interview early, as a deliberate spoiler; ITV's DofE interview delivered a less solid 4.1m after what must have been a very similar 2-odd mil inheritance against BBC1's soap.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:56
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http://www.attentional.com/screenwatch/

But what was the average audience for those who watched season one on C4?

It's so sad that a top show was relegated to More4. It's not as though C4 is full to capacity with 'quality' in primetime.

I'm still waiting for a C4 rerun.
I actually think it's a really good fit on More4. Good Wife & The Closer is a great Thursday night drama lineup. Good Wife Season 2 was drama of the year, great writing, acting, best ensemble cast of any show I can remember.

SO many trailers for Shameless USA during the ad breaks last night, but I think I might give it a go, William H Macy is an amazing actor, and it looks really good.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:02
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I actually think it's a really good fit on More4. Good Wife & The Closer is a great Thursday night drama lineup. Good Wife Season 2 was drama of the year, great writing, acting, best ensemble cast of any show I can remember.
But so few are watching it!! it may 'fit' the channel, but viewing has dropped considerably without a C4 showing.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:10
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Puts George's earlier comments in context then.

BBC1 delivered a solid 5m for its DofE interview after a 2.46m inheritance against ITV's soaps - and after ITV had aired its interview early, as a deliberate spoiler; ITV's DofE interview delivered a less solid 4.1m after what must have been a very similar 2-odd mil inheritance against BBC1's soap.
Spoiler it was a WARM UP and what thanks do they get eh!
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:15
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But so few are watching it!! it may 'fit' the channel, but viewing has dropped considerably without a C4 showing.
True I guess. I don't monitor the ratings of shows I enjoy as they generally don't do well. (Psychoville, Spiral, Culture Show to name but a few).

Channel 4 shunted the first series all over the schedule, switching the firstlook episode from Channel 4 to More4, I only monitored what episode I was on from the DS Thread. I would have given up myself only for that. I think that probably lost them more viewers than anything else.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:39
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D.M.N, Do you know how the other channels do at breakfast time compared to bbc breakfast and Daybreak? Like bbc2, C4, C5?
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Old 10-06-2011, 13:53
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But so few are watching it!! it may 'fit' the channel, but viewing has dropped considerably without a C4 showing.
It would be better off on Sky Atlantic where viewers expect quality US dramas that are not necessarily going to get big ratings via shoot outs and car chases.

There it would be shown soon after the US and in HD unlike the mess Channel 4 have made where they bought it in HD and screened it in SD late at night...with HD probably getting aired totally unannounced months from now on a daily basis at 11 in the morning like they did with the last Brothers and Sisters series (that also got dumped from C4 HD to More 4 SD)
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Old 10-06-2011, 14:16
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It would be better off on Sky Atlantic where viewers expect quality US dramas that are not necessarily going to get big ratings via shoot outs and car chases.

There it would be shown soon after the US and in HD unlike the mess Channel 4 have made where they bought it in HD and screened it in SD late at night...with HD probably getting aired totally unannounced months from now on a daily basis at 11 in the morning like they did with the last Brothers and Sisters series (that also got dumped from C4 HD to More 4 SD)
More4 aired episodes just 5 weeks after they aired in the States, that's pretty close to US scheduling.
Not sure how close Sky usually airs to the US, but for eg Boardwalk empire was shown in UK in January but aired in US mid September.
How many viewers would it get on Sky?
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Old 10-06-2011, 14:58
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Per Media Guardian:

"The BBC is in talks with the Department for Culture, Media and Sport about cutting the red tape involved in axing a service, the clearest indication the corporation could close a channel to save money.

The DCMS and the BBC have held talks about changing the so-called public value test – a lengthy consultation the corporation must undertake if it wants to launch or close a service.

According to sources the BBC wants to remove a stipulation that it must launch a PVT if it wants to close a service."

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Old 10-06-2011, 15:27
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Huge figure for Emmerdale last night. I reckon it's a combination of BBC1 performing very poorly and Emmerdale having two amazing episodes-probably the best double this year. Injustice got a slight boost too, despite BBC1 doing well in the 9pm slot.
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Old 10-06-2011, 15:32
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Thursday 9th June 2011
BBC One
13:45 - Doctors took 1.40m (21.3%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 8.01m (39.5%)
20:00 - Andrew Marr's Megacities: 2.46m (11.0%)
21:00 - The Duke At 90: 5.01m (21.24%)
* 21:00 to 21:15 - 4.42m (18.9%)
* 21:15 to 21:45 - 5.06m (21.5%)
* 21:45 to 22:00 - 5.50m (23.1%)
* slot average: 4.22m (17.84%)
22:35 - Question Time: 2.68m (21.4%)

BBC Two
19:00 - Clydebank Blitz: 1.02m (5.2%)
20:00 - Springwatch: 2.155m (9.7%) inc HD
21:00 - The Shadow Line: 1.45m (6.14%) inc HD
* series low
22:00 - Mock The Week: 2.01m (10.2%)
* 2010 series average: 2.6m (10.3%)

ITV1
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.84m (36.7%)
* +1: 103k (0.5%)
20:00 - Emmerdale: 7.65m (35.5%)
* +1: 183k (0.8%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 8.52m (36.9%)
* +1: 182k (0.8%)
21:00 - Injustice: 4.41m (18.65%)
* +1: 242k (1.37%)
22:35 - When Piers Morgan Met Andrew Lloyd Webber: 980k (7.6%)

Channel 4
18:00 - The Simpsons: 1.44m inc +1
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 910k (5.3%)
* +1: 22k (0.1%)
20:00 - Help! My House Is Falling Down: 1.57m (7.0%)
* +1: 441k (1.9%)
21:00 - Born To Be Different: 1.89m (8.0%)
* +1: 366k (2.1%)
22:00 - Dermot's Big Fat Comedy Gala 2011: 1.02m (5.9%)
* +1: 181k (1.9%)

Channel 5
13:45 - Neighbours: 653k (9.9%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.25m (9.4%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 773k (4.9%)
19:30 - Zoo Days: 353k (1.7%)
20:00 - Emergency Bikers: 819k (3.7%)
21:00 - Extreme Fishing with Robson Green: 1.20m (5.1%)
22:00 - FILM: Outlaw: 780k (5.9%)

Primetime Shares
ITV1 - 23.0% (+1: 0.7%)
BBC One - 20.7%
BBC Two - 6.8%
Channel 4 - 6.0% (+1: 1.2%)
Channel 5 - 3.7%

Multichannels
BBC Three
21:00 - Stacey Dooley Investigates Kenya: 320k (1.4%)
22:00 - EastEnders: 981k (5.0%)
22:30 - Ideal: 514k (3.3%)
23:45 - Stacey Dooley Investigates Kenya: 286k (4.7%)

BBC Four
21:00 - Unnatural Histories: 315k (1.3%)

ITV2
21:00 - Peter Andre: The Next Chapter: 754k (3.2%)
* +1: 180k (1.0%)

E4
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 355k (1.9%)
21:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 597k inc +1
21:30 - How I Met Your Mother: 507k inc +1

Film4 (inc +1)
17:30 - FILM: The War Of The Worlds: 274k
21:00 - FILM: The Foot Fist Way: 267k

More4
19:45 - Grand Designs: 507k inc +1
21:00 - The Good Wife: 268k (1.1%)
* +1: 61k (0.3%)

5*
18:30 - Home and Away: 416k (2.4%)

GOLD (inc +1)
18:30 - Last Of The Summer Wine: 153k

Dave (inc +1)
20:00 - QI Xl: 377k

Yesterday (inc +1)
21:00 - FILM: Nazi Hunters: 161k

Source: DS, Broadcast, Attentional, C4 Sales. Ratings include HD and are tape-checked.
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Old 10-06-2011, 15:56
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More4 aired episodes just 5 weeks after they aired in the States, that's pretty close to US scheduling.
Not sure how close Sky usually airs to the US, but for eg Boardwalk empire was shown in UK in January but aired in US mid September.
How many viewers would it get on Sky?
Boardwalk was delayed for the launch of Atlantic. Sky have said season two will be shown straight away, like Game of Thrones (19 hours after HBO).

The Good Wife on More4 was three months behind the US at the beginning and caught up when they took breaks.

Sky would promote it and it would almost certainly average more than More4 is getting.

Sky1 and More4 are very similar in viewing share, even though Sky1 is in half the homes. US shows on Sky1 get consistently higher ratings than they do on More4.
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:01
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That's a good figure for Corrie's Thursday episode. They've got Michelle Collins joining next Thursday, so that could boost ratings again.
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:03
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Huge figure for Emmerdale last night. I reckon it's a combination of BBC1 performing very poorly and Emmerdale having two amazing episodes-probably the best double this year. Injustice got a slight boost too, despite BBC1 doing well in the 9pm slot.
Emmerdale is enjoying a real boost from being against Andrew Marr's Megacities - which is in the wrong slot on the wrong channel. It's pulling a good 1.5m less than Watchdog was getting at 8pm on Thursdays,
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:28
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a much better week for Hollyoaks
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:29
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Besides the Prince Phillip programme, BBC1 didn't have a good night. Andrew Marr's vehicle is flopping and EastEnders is almost a million adrift of Coronation Street, whereas on Thursdays it is usually ahead.

Stong for Emmerdale's two episodes.
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:31
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I always thought it was counted as one. I'm surprised BBC1 didn't air the hour long last Thursday to try and boost the share against Britain's Got Talent - but it'll probably get more on a 'normal' night.
Thank goodness they didn't. An extra episode wasn't needed last week. Hopefully the week it is scheduled there is a big storyline that warrants it

You've deliberately not stated that its airing from 19:30 to 20:30, haven't you?

Because Torchwood starts that night, so I bet the schedule will be

19:00 - The One Show
20:00 - EastEnders
21:00 - Torchwood

Just to annoy ITV.
When was the last time BBC ever did anything like that though. Eastenders is ultra-consistent in it's time slots unless it has to move because of live sport, charity events or breaking news. Even over Christmas/New Year it always stays in the same slots
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Old 10-06-2011, 16:54
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Besides the Prince Phillip programme, BBC1 didn't have a good night. Andrew Marr's vehicle is flopping and EastEnders is almost a million adrift of Coronation Street, whereas on Thursdays it is usually ahead.
How do you work out Corrie is 1m ahead?

BBC/ITV1+1 figures included and Eastenders is ahead.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:03
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I recall the BBC specifically asking for contestants who were disabled or from an ethnic minority on Big Break - I certainly remember a number of blind contestants - as it was one of the few quizzes the disabled could actually participate in. Although given they had to meet Jim Davidson, I don't know how many fancied it.

The first ever episode of Big Break, in 1991, got 16.5 million viewers, and it was a big show in its day even though it was clearly just Bullseye-but-with-snooker.

Davidson's first series of the Gen Game was awful, they fiddled the format a bit and it was all a bit of a mess. I remember he had the worst catchphrase ever, going into the conveyor belt, where he said "If you don't know what happens here..." and the audience had to shout "...you're already dead!", which was crap. I remember the contestants entered in a 2CV, that was quite good.

As you say, Jim's second series got rid of most of the contrived bits and Jim seemed a bit more relaxed, which was of course later to become to the show's detriment because it became a load of self-indulgent unfunny rubbish. They also changed producer, I remember Guy Freeman did Jim's first series, but didn't do the second as he took over on Noel's House Party - and he was the one who was sacked mid-series because Noel had fallen out with him, the beginning of the end for that show.

I remember when Brucie was in charge, the Gen Game's ratings fell during the 1992 series so in 1993 it was moved back to Fridays - as the first series in 1990 was - but rather fortunately it was during the six months that ITV had moved The Bill to Saturdays, so it didn't go up against that but You Bet, and the Gen Game's ratings rocketed again, I'm pretty sure it was its highest rated series, and they "promoted" it back to Saturday the following year. Those were the days, of course, when a series moving from Saturday to Friday was a serious demotion (cf Russ Abbott).
I have to admit I enjoyed Big Break. I think I only ever missed one edition, and that was due to a power-cut. Maybe I deserve some kind of medal. Yeah, you're right there were quite a few disabled contestants: wheelchair-users and blind people. One of the blind contestants won a skiing prize (either a holiday or a go on a dry-ski slope. I can't remember which.) I remember Jim telling him they'd sort out a better prize for him if he wanted. Quite a few non-white contestants too.

I wonder what Guy Freeman's doing now. I didn't like what he did with the Generation Game or Noel's House Party.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:08
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Casualty was a huge hitter for the BBC. I remember episodes were structured around some horrendous mangled accident involving constuction sites and farm machinery or anything that involved lingering pain. And ofcourse huge set pieces like a plane crash. The private lives of the staff were very much second fiddle back then.
The plane crash episode, when it eventually made it to air, was good, apart from the actual crash, which was clearly one of those old white washing-up liquid bottles painted up to look like a plane.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:10
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I've just checked: the episode which was dropped due to rugby was shown earlier in that week as EE had an episode of Wednesday 2nd February (they ran 4 nights in a row Mon-Thu). The Comic Relief 10-minute special wasn't "officially" counted as an episode so I think this upcoming double-episode makes up for that dropped one.
Yep, that's right. The Comic Relief episode was given the same episode number as another episode, but with an "A" after it.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:22
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It's quite frightening to think of the cash they'd save if they actually dropped the episodes of EE, Holby and Casualty that needed dropping due to well known annual commitments rather than rescheduling.
I'm not sure how the hospital dramas work, but dropping one ep of EastEnders in March and another in November, would just throw the production schedules all to cock, if you'll pardon the expression.

You need to drop a week's worth of episodes (i.e. four) before you can save any money.

Say they'd dropped an episode for Comic Relief earlier this year. Instead of cast and crew spending five days working on four episodes for that week, there'd be the same number of people spending five days working on just three episodes for the same cost.

So, it doesn't make sense to drop an ep. It's the same for all soaps, including the ITV ones, and of course Hollyoaks, where they still make five episodes for Christmas week, and cobble them together as 60 or even 90-minute episodes.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:33
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Broadcast reporting proposed DQF cuts to BBC News were presented to staff today.

- £89m to be cut annually
- substantial job cuts

And the first indication of a visible onscreen change:

"Bespoke business and sports slots on the News Channel will be cut entirely, with specialists being parachuted in for breaking news. The channel is also planning to run fewer features and truck-based outside broadcasts (OBs), which are deemed too expensive to continue."

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:34
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Thursday 9th June 2011
E4
21:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 597k inc +1


A stonking rating for that Big Bang repeat, up 48% week-on-week, for an episode first shown only in January.
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Old 10-06-2011, 17:34
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Will be interesting how The Mentalist Season finale does tonight, with Injustice doing less than I intially thought, I think it'll easily do 1.7m with a peak of 2m.
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