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Old 18-05-2011, 18:32
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i asked this question a few days ago but how long do you think the X Facor and Britains got talent will be on for. I think till 2016
In theory The X Factor could drop 10% in the ratings every single year from now on, although it's pretty unlikely those sorts of drops would happen every year anyway, and it'd still be rating at 8m+ in five years' time. And take into account, in five years' time 8m then will be better than what 8m is now due to further general audience fragmentation. That's the sort of massive position it's built itself up to now. I think as long as there's no massive controversy (a really bad one) which could cause the public and newspapers to snub the show in huge numbers, BB-esque post-2007, I can certainly see TXF (and BGT probably) running for one more 3-year contract beyond the current one till 2016 like you've said. Beyond that, it's difficult to say at this point because a lot of things can happen in five years.
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Old 18-05-2011, 18:35
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i asked this question a few days ago but how long do you think the X Facor and Britains got talent will be on for. I think till 2016
Idol in America has been in decline for around 4 seasons now (although this season is actually up in some measures).

It all depends on how steep the decline is, how good their reality development slate is and how cheaply they can produce it.

I think, once its peak has been reached, and it starts to have a serious decline, 2, maybe 3 years more.
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Old 18-05-2011, 18:36
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Secret Millionaire had 2.39m (inc +1) according to C4 Sales so that will have been ahead of it. I won't be surprised if it was bottom at 9pm - dreadful rating.

EDIT: It wasn't quite bottom, but the rating is still woeful.

About +1, I think it could prove very useful for the BGT live shows this year as they'll be starting at 8:30pm on +1. ITV should give the channel a bit of promotion in time for BGT, as I think we could see audiences approaching 1m on +1, which will help out it's overall total and perhaps lessen the dent from the earlier slot.
We'll be getting very annoying state the obviouis discliamers then about not voting if watching on ITV1+1!

New BBC1 drama series commissioned, 'The Syndicate':
That sounds familiar - think it might have been a US series actually which was swiftly pulled.

Broadcast now has an article about the BBC considering acquiring The Voice, with comments from a spokesperson:

I know the article says they're just "considering" it at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do get it. The BBC has struggled to find a successful Saturday night light entertainment hit since Strictly, with pretty much just the Andrew Lloyd Webber shows doing respectably out of all the other shows they've tried. They need another Saturday night hit to come through now and I think this one could do well compared to how most LE Saturday shows for them have rated in the last 5 years. The format of the show is good, it's been successful in the countries it's been shown in, and although it could be considered a bit too similar to TXF, having it in Q1/Q2 at a different time of the year to TXF (but before BGT returns) could work. I've seen some comments saying that The Voice is too 'serious' and 'niche' to work well over here (like SYTYCD and Must Be The Music for example), but I don't think it's as serious as people make it out to be, particularly with the chair gimmicks for the auditions and other gimmicks which makes the show more viewer-friendly than those two programmes. And they can always change the tone a little bit for the British version so it's more suited to the UK audience.

If the show does come here, I think it'd be a relatively good time to launch the show early-ish next year, with the upcoming TXF probably in decline for the first time in 5 years and people saying "TXF's not as good as it used to be" with the new judges in place. TXF will still be a massive show, of course, but there might just be more of an apatite for a new, fresh singing show next year, maybe the biggest apatite for a new show of this kind in quite a few years. Like C14E said yesterday, Channel 4 will perhaps be interested in getting this show too, as they haven't got much going for them at the moment and don't have that big light entertainment show right now that they had for the past decade with BB. A few episodes of BFGW and MPD really isn't enough in terms of 2m+ entertainment shows. As unlikely as it is to happen, I'd say that even though they've got TXF/BGT, ITV should at least consider their options regarding the show, because I always think they're lacking that tentpole show on Saturdays in the first quarter. They don't need to make it another supsersized-show like TXF running for months, they could have a 'scaled down' version of The Voice with auditions running for one month and a week of live shows, so it's all done and dusted within 6 weeks, meaning there's not much viewer fatigue for that singing contest genre. Obviously it wouldn't hit XF levels but it could do a solid job. But I accept it's unlikely to happen due to various reasons. With Channel 5 committing a lot to Big Brother, and with other broadcasters possibly interested in The Voice, I can't see them getting it because they'd find it difficult in terms of cost etc. I do think we'll be hearing a lot about this show within the next 12 months, and it's launched well in other competitive markets like the US and Holland at a time when, some would say, the talent show genre had reached saturation point, so what's to say it wouldn't do well here too.
I think The Voice would be good for the BBC, but the BBC not so good for The Voice. They just don't get international formats right for some reason, and I think The Voice relies on itself being a bit more current than most shows you'd find on BBC1. I'd like to see C4 take the gamble, but to be honest although it stops it becoming a breakout hit probably the best fit for it is Sky.

i asked this question a few days ago but how long do you think the X Facor and Britains got talent will be on for. I think till 2016
I think Britains Got Talent will survive a few more years, although possibly disappear for a year or two at some point.

As for The X Factor - I think it will go first, but it'll be replaced rather than axed and evolve into another format.
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Old 18-05-2011, 18:39
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Confirmation that Long Lost Family will be back for a second series.

http://www.itv.com/beontv/longlostfamily/default.html
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Old 18-05-2011, 18:54
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Regarding The Voice, I think this would be a great format for the first series, on any channel (the exact dates are just examples to show the pattern):

Monday 2nd-Thursday 5th January: Blind auditions
Friday 6th-Saturday 7th: Battle Rounds 1 and 2
Friday 13th-Saturday 14th: Battle Rounds 3 and 4
Friday 20th-Saturday 21st: Top 16 live (8 each night, results within shows)
Friday 27th-Saturday 28th: Top 8 live (performances on Friday, results on Saturday)
Friday 3rd-Saturday 4th February: Final

So basically the auditions would be stripped across a week with the battle rounds over 2 weekends. Then each coach will have their top 4, and all 16 will perform the following week, with 2 contestants from each coach being eliminated. In week four, the top 8 would perform on Friday night, then on Saturday each coach would lose 1 more contestant, leaving them with just 1 each for the final, so a total of 4 contestants for the final the following week, which would work like last year's X Factor final.

The scheduling means it's event TV, and the auditions being stripped across the week should give it some early momentum. If it took off, the second series could be longer. The scheduling is similar to The Million Pound Drop last Autumn, and I think could work for C4, BBC1 or ITV1.
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Old 18-05-2011, 18:56
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British Soap Awards - Overnight Ratings
2007 - 6.2m (26.5%)
2008 - 6.0m (28.0%)
2009 - 5.0m (21.4%)
2010 - 5.5m (25.2%)

It rates well, however the valid comparison may be 2009. It had 5.0m (21.4%) from 8pm to 10pm whereas The Apprentice in the 9pm hour had 7.9m (32.5%).
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Old 18-05-2011, 19:29
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I'm not sure if The Voice would translate as well over here though (a bit like how SYTYCD has bombed despite still doing well in America) - and part of the magic of the US version is the fact that the judges are quite big (and credible) names in music, whereas we'd probably get someone like Ronan Keating...

Having said that I'd like to see a broadcaster take a gamble, although I agree with Brekkie the BBC's track record doesn't bode well for me... and as much as it pains me to say it I reckon Sky would make a good job of it based on their recent entertainment formats, although obviously that would restrict it from being the hit it could potentially be over here.
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Old 18-05-2011, 20:36
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I think The Voice would be good for the BBC, but the BBC not so good for The Voice. They just don't get international formats right for some reason, .
Yeah Their versions of The Apprentice and Wipeout totally flopped
Nowhere near as sucessfull as ITVs Survivor and The Race [The amazing race]
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Old 18-05-2011, 20:55
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I'm not sure if The Voice would translate as well over here though (a bit like how SYTYCD has bombed despite still doing well in America) - and part of the magic of the US version is the fact that the judges are quite big (and credible) names in music, whereas we'd probably get someone like Ronan Keating...

Having said that I'd like to see a broadcaster take a gamble, although I agree with Brekkie the BBC's track record doesn't bode well for me... and as much as it pains me to say it I reckon Sky would make a good job of it based on their recent entertainment formats, although obviously that would restrict it from being the hit it could potentially be over here.
I think one of the issues for BBC1 would be that their entertainment formats tend to skew older - particularly obvious with SYTYCD. In the US, The Voice is a bit like SYTYCD - in raw numbers, it's nothing special. It's just that they're getting a lot of 18-49 viewers.

The Voice is somewhat similar to X Factor and on paper, it's not overly easy to differentiate (if Simon Cowell/Fuller had produced The Voice, they'd be suing each other!). I think on Channel 4 or maybe Sky1 with the right judges, it would be easier to pitch as a younger alternative to X Factor in the way that NBC have pitched The Voice vs Idol (which has aged considerably this season). The truth is that most of their viewers would be XF viewers anyway, but expectations would be lower, the audience profile would probably be better.

Then again, wasn't that what Must Be The Music was meant to do? So maybe I'm just talking rubbish!

On the plus side, if BBC1 do buy The Voice, Robbie won't be able to make any comments about ITV doing copycat formats.
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Old 18-05-2011, 20:55
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#soapawards number 1 trending. I think its audience would have been low between 8pm and 8.30pm given that there was a clash with Waterloo Road, which got a half hour headstart.
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Old 18-05-2011, 21:05
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ABC:
8pm - Dancing With The Stars Freestyle Special - 13.42m (2.4)
9pm - Dancing With The Stars Results - 17.72m (3.5)
10pm - Body of Proof - 10.48m (2.2)

CBS:
8pm - NCIS - 18.09m (3.8)
9pm - NCIS:LA - 15.37m (3.2)
10pm - The Good Wife - 12.44m (2.5)

FOX:
8pm - Glee - 8.76m (3.5)
9pm - Raising Hope - 5.53m (2.2)
9.30pm - Breaking In - 3.32m (1.4)

NBC:
8pm - The Biggest Loser - 7.28m (2.8)
10pm - The Voice - 9.87m (4.5)

The CBS line-up, the FOX comedies and Body of Proof were season finales. That rating for Breaking In sealed its fate - it's 100% dead now.

The Voice actually finished 3rd in total viewers at 10pm but comprehensively won in the demo. NBC must be looking forward to the 7th of June because the 10pm shows are hitting its momentum. It had gone from a 5.1 to a 5.7 but has fallen back the past 2 weeks.

Next week it follows the season finale of The Biggest Loser (which has in the past drawn >4.0) and the next week it airs after the season premiere of America's Got Talent (3.6 premiere last season). Both those lead-ins should help although the live show on the 7th will give the best impression of its performance.

Glee lost to NCIS in the demo. It could use that Idol lead-in for the finale - the momentum seems to have gone. I think they need to do an overhaul, axe a bunch of characters and try and bring in some new ones to try and get it going again.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...n-sinks/93111/
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Old 18-05-2011, 21:07
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Yeah Their versions of The Apprentice and Wipeout totally flopped
Nowhere near as sucessfull as ITVs Survivor and The Race [The amazing race]
Total Wipeout is truly awful compared to the original and has lost alot in translation, however much BBC1 viewers might lap it up. And The Apprentice is very much the exception rather than the rule.

To be fair to ITV too they seem to give alot more than they take when it comes to formats, and the formats they do pick up tend to be from Europe, not in reaction to what is happening in the US.
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Old 18-05-2011, 21:39
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Has Deal or No Deal has any bounce in the ratings since last Friday's winner?

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Old 18-05-2011, 21:44
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Has Deal or No Deal has any bounce in the ratings since last Friday's winner?

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Why would it have a bounce?

No-one knew about it until it was over.
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Old 18-05-2011, 22:01
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Monday:
8pm - How I Met Your Mother
8.30pm - 2 BROKE GIRLS *NEW*
9pm - Two and a Half Men
9.30pm - Mike & Molly
10pm - Hawaii Five-O

Tuesday:
8pm - NCIS
9pm - NCIS: LA
10pm - UNFORGETTABLE *NEW*

Wednesday:
8pm - Survivor
9pm - Criminal Minds
10pm - CSI (new timeslot)

Thursday:
8pm - The Big Bang Thory
8.30pm - HOW TO BE A GENTLEMAN *NEW*
9pm - PERSON OF INTEREST *NEW*
10pm - The Mentalist

Friday:
8pm - A GIFTED MAN *NEW*
9pm - CSI: NY
10pm - Blue Bloods

Saturday:
8pm - Rules of Engagement (new timeslot)

Sunday:
8pm - The Amazing Race
9pm - The Good Wife (new timeslot)
10pm - CSI: Miami

NEW SERIES:
The new series include three new dramas and two new comedies: PERSON OF INTEREST, a crime thriller from renowned executive producer J.J. Abrams starring Jim Caviezel, Emmy Award winner Michael Emerson and Academy Award nominee Taraji P. Henson; UNFORGETTABLE, starring Dylan Walsh and Poppy Montgomery as a former detective with a rare condition that enables her to remember virtually every detail from every day of her life; A GIFTED MAN about a preeminent surgeon whose life changes forever when his deceased ex-wife returns, starring Patrick Wilson and Jennifer Ehle; 2 BROKE GIRLS, a comedy about two strikingly different young waitresses who form an unlikely friendship, starring Kat Dennings and Beth Behrs; and an odd-couple comedy, HOW TO BE A GENTLEMAN, starring David Hornsby and Kevin Dillon, about a refined magazine columnist and his very unrefined personal trainer.

CSI finally moves from the Thursday 9pm slot and takes over the slot that was CSI: NY's until the end of the 2010 season. It also means that it gets a lead-in from another procedural which might help.

The Good Wife moving to 9pm Sundays is a surprise. It'll play opposite another serialised drama, Desperate Housewives.

Rules of Engagement on Saturdays pretty much confirms that this is the last season and that Sony have given it to CBS for next to nothing to bring it up to nearly 100 episodes for syndication (I think a 22 order takes it to about 96 or 98 or something like that). Of course, reports were that CBS weren't happy with their comedy pilots so it could make a return to a more prominent slot later in the season.

Person of Interest is obviously their big hope this season. I think it has a good shot in the 9pm hour although the only concern might be that the new comedy doesn't provide the best lead-in.

And of course, Ashton Kutcher's debut on Two and a Half Men will be interesting. They really need it to do better because the repeats were starting to kill the rest of the schedule towards the end of the season.
CSI has finally moved out of Thursday, which is the right thing to do from CBS. Kinda interesting how CSI once had a higher audience than Criminal Minds, now is the program which needs the lead-in from CM. Shocked that The Good Wife has moved opposite Desperate Housewives. We could be seeing another DH vs Cold Case battle. If The Good Wife doesn't do well at that slot, they can always move to Sundays at 10pm. CSI: Miami clearly isn't doing any favours.

The Mentalist staying at 10pm surprises me. After getting better audiences than CSI, I would be thinking they were a lock for 9pm. Can Persons of Interest attract successful numbers? With competitions from Grey's Anatomy, they could have a big challenge ahead. GA does bring huge premiere numbers and it frequently bests CSI in 18-49 demos.

Oh, Rules of Engagement. You will fulfil your syndication dreams. Will CBS even care about what ROE gets in the ratings? Will it even matter, since Saturday is a deserted day for US TV?
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Old 18-05-2011, 22:05
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Why would it have a bounce?

No-one knew about it until it was over.
Exactly. And I was surprised to find that the More4 teatime repeat is no longer there, so that's not an option either. Not sure how long that's been missing, I only watch very occasionally, but I always thought it rated quite well from the early days when we used to get more extensive figures from C4 Sales.
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Old 18-05-2011, 22:18
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Why would it have a bounce?

No-one knew about it until it was over.
I think he means the episodes since that one ? In that the big win might have created a bit more of a buzz about it.

Anyway, any news on the 5pm battleground of late ?

Britains Best Dish becomes Celeb Specials in BGT live week, so must be coming to an end.

Personally I'm looking forward to the This Morning v Daybreak edition
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Old 18-05-2011, 22:23
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Then again, wasn't that what Must Be The Music was meant to do? So maybe I'm just talking rubbish!
Not sure why but Sky's track record when it comes to success with light entertainment formats has been seriously exaggerated by certain posters on this thread. Apart from Got To Dance, I'm really struggling to think of shows that have really taken off for them in this genre. Remember Gladiators that they killed stone dead? What about the god awful Cirque de Celebrité that nobody watched or the painful Don't Forget The Lyrics? How could we forget the joys of Nothing But The Truth and Hello Goodbye? And of course, the most recent turkey Must Be The Music which shocked everyone, even Derek, with just how terrible its ratings were. Their track record in this kind of genre is poor frankly, with most light ent shows on the network not surviving past one or two series' and worst of all suffering the shame of ending up on Britain's worst TV channel Pick TV within about a year.

Got To Dance was a bit of a one-off really. A more mischievous person than I might suggest they got a bit lucky. The Voice's best shot at success lies on a mainstream channel, and that means one of the big 5. Channel 4 and Channel 5 don't exactly have experience when it comes to this kind of show either, but at least they've got the platform. Sky are better off sticking to drama/comedy and the odd entertainment show, they're not cut out for competing with the big boys in this area.
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Old 18-05-2011, 22:33
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Dire for ITV1. I reckon they've just accepted that Tuesday nights are a meltdown and will just sacrifice programming there until the football returns. It's a long wait, though!

Good night for BBC1, Channel 4 and Channel 5 are 9pm. Channle 5 will be relieved to see CSI, CSI:NY and CSI: Miami have been renewed.
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:19
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21:00- Home Is Where The Heart Is: 1.9m [/url][/i]
That deserves a for sure!

I agree, +1 will really help the performance shows as it'll mean people can watch EastEnders and BGT, and the latter at a better time.
Yeah, because people never had the chance to watch two concurrently airing programmes before ITV1+1 was invented...

... Corrie on all nights would give BGT a boost vs. last year but I reckon that will be balanced out by the "natural decline" of 5-10% this series has experienced so far and the Wednesday results episode might bring down the average a little due to tough competition. What might happen is that the raw ITV1 figures could be down compared to last year but with +1 included, the show could end up being up.
Oh dear, this could get bloody...
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:30
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Good news everyone: Jedward are to host a new BBC show! John says 'We can't say too much now, but it will include chat with celebrities and funny sketches and stuff.'

Well Danny Cohen did say he wanted to attract big names to the channel. Could this fill the Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night in January?! Sounds like an ace format!

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/863646-jed...vision-success
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:38
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Good news everyone: Jedward are to host a new BBC show! John says 'We can't say too much now, but it will include chat with celebrities and funny sketches and stuff.'

Well Danny Cohen did say he wanted to attract big names to the channel. Could this fill the Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night in January?! Sounds like an ace format!

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/863646-jed...vision-success
Oh dear.

They can't be chat show hosts. They never shut up long enough to let anyone else get a word in edgeways.
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:43
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Good news everyone: Jedward are to host a new BBC show! John says 'We can't say too much now, but it will include chat with celebrities and funny sketches and stuff.'

Well Danny Cohen did say he wanted to attract big names to the channel. Could this fill the Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night in January?! Sounds like an ace format!

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/863646-jed...vision-success
Do I detect sarcasm?

First they brought us robotic hares. Now they want to inflict John & Edward on us as chat show hosts! That's what they think passes for entertainment in 2011. They really haven't got a clue, have they?

The laughable ideas they are coming up with are more entertaining than anything that's actually making it to screen.
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:45
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Good news everyone: Jedward are to host a new BBC show! John says 'We can't say too much now, but it will include chat with celebrities and funny sketches and stuff.'

Well Danny Cohen did say he wanted to attract big names to the channel. Could this fill the Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night in January?! Sounds like an ace format!

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/863646-jed...vision-success
Jedward = ratings.

16/17m on X Factor and nearly 13m on Eurovision

And about 300,000 for their ITV2 show.
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Old 18-05-2011, 23:54
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Good news everyone: Jedward are to host a new BBC show! John says 'We can't say too much now, but it will include chat with celebrities and funny sketches and stuff.'

Well Danny Cohen did say he wanted to attract big names to the channel. Could this fill the Strictly Come Dancing on Saturday night in January?! Sounds like an ace format!

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/863646-jed...vision-success
Isn't this just an old story dredged up again, presumably by their agent, on the back of a moderate Eurosong showing?

If they ever end up with a primetime show on BBC1, I will eat my hat.

A summer season at Pontins, more like...
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