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The Ratings Thread (Part 20)
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ZoeMcCallister
21-05-2011
POG and MPD seemed to take viewers off the BBC1 comedy block for some reason, and POG approaching the level he was at last series. Rather poor for HIGNFY really.

Good night for Ch5 with Eddie Stobart building on IRT and the only show to make 1m in the 8pm slot this week on Ch5.
Glenn A
21-05-2011
I would think POG would appeal to a different market than HIGNFY. People who watch HIGNFY are unlikely to find POG appealing as his humour is more basic.
Jaycee Dove
21-05-2011
The Daily Mail TV supplement (p.48) today says that Primeval will not be on ITV until early 2012, by the way.

One would assume that is because there will be no further series to worry about scheduling,
Glenn A
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“The Daily Mail TV supplement (p.48) today says that Primeval will not be on ITV until early 2012, by the way.

One would assume that is because there will be no further series to worry about scheduling, ”

I wonder if they'll dump it in a graveyard slot or even move it to ITV2, which does show some cult shows.
dave01
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Well it would take along time to build up enough new episodes to air it nightly - but I think the real opportunity here might be a channel grabbing the rights to the original. The BBC still show it from time to time, and I think Boomerang might have the digital rights, but you would think there would be renewed interest in the classic series when the new series arrives, plus whether the new series succeeds or fails, surely those airing the original can only benefit.”

Yes, I believe they were showing classic Flintstones episodes as part of the CBBC block on BBC2 as recently as 2010.
Charnham
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Also, is the fact that Primeval is airing at the bizarre time of Tuesdays at 8pm on Watch a clue where ITV1 may dump the Series 5 episodes later this year seeing as it almost certainly won't be recommissioned?”

Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“The Daily Mail TV supplement (p.48) today says that Primeval will not be on ITV until early 2012, by the way.

One would assume that is because there will be no further series to worry about scheduling, ”

TBH I think alot of Primeval fans who dont see it on Watch, will get the DVD, its on pre-order at a "ok" price, so that is what I will be doing.

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Oh dear for Hollyoaks, being beaten by the two Aussie soaps. I wonder how much longer Channel 4 will persist with this show as no matter how much they try with it, ratings seem to be falling. Maybe hiring some decent actors instead of models would help.”

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I reckon should Hollyoaks end, and it seems to be getting the same ratings as Brookside in its death throes, then an American hour with the Simpsons and The Flinstones would work well for Channel 4 in the same way the Aussie hour on Channel 5 works for them. Also it would be cheaper than Hollyoaks.”

yes ending Hollyoaks does seem like a smart move at the moment, but the Flintstones isnt due to 2013, and unless C4 commit to the series, they will only loose it to Sky after 2 series, so its a far from safe option as a long term plan.
Brekkie
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“True, but then they may face the embarrassment of Davina losing out to her former show on the channel next door...

Edit: And possibly I'm a Celebrity (with Jedward and Imogen Thomas the rumoured 'stars' so far) although I hope Channel 4 are not stupid enough to air it in November.”

I would guess it'll air for 6-8 weekends in Sept/Oct and then probably as a week block in December.
Fudd
21-05-2011
The censors will have to be busy if Imogen Thomas appears on I'm A Celebrity...! Million Pund Drop should not return until September at the earliest - if it airs on the same night as a X Factor audition show it can go out at 9. If it's a live show, I think they'd need to hold it back until 10.

Viewers seem to be gently trickling away from Have I Got News For You. Paul O'Grady held up ok and Million Pound Drop did alright. I guess Coronation Street's rise from one post to another is down to HD?
rzt
21-05-2011
Demographic Information for the last week: http://i52.tinypic.com/farn8z.jpg

Under the 'Other' bit this week, I've added 'CSI: Crime Scene Investigation' and '24 Hours in A&E'. Also I've changed the way the ABC1 skew is calculated (it's ABC1 Adults to be technically correct) - previously I used to calculate it as a percentage of the whole audience but that would include children, so the shows would skew less ABC1-wise than they should've. I've changed the formula so the ABC1 Adults skew is out of Adults only, so you'll notice the skews towards ABC1s are all higher than what you've seen before, especially shows which have a relatively big Under 16 following. I'll be keeping it this way from now on.

The Apprentice skews massively towards the key demos as discussed last week. But it wasn't top in terms of ABC1 Adults this last week, that goes to the Eurovision Song Contest which had 4.7m ABC1s watching it. In terms of skew, the Apprentice's 69% still the biggest out of that list though. Eurovision knocked the BGT ABC1 skew down to 37% (32% using the old method), about 5 points down from previous weeks. Pirates of the Carribean did very well with 16-34s and was the only show out of that list which had more males watching it than females. Strangeways increased its 16-34, 18-49 and ABC1 audiences week-on-week, even though the total no. was down about 0.2m. Paul O'Grady Live had the highest C2DE following (%wise) out of any show in that list.
derek500
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Demographic Information for the last week: http://i52.tinypic.com/farn8z.jpg”

Interesting demos for the two US shows. Glee has much higher share of ABC1s compared to CSI.

Does Five usually skew to a more downmarket audience?

On another note, is there any way of finding out how many of the Glee viewers are in pay homes (even those who watch it on Freeview in other rooms, but still have access to Sky/Virgin)?
rzt
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Does Five usually skew to a more downmarket audience?”

Yeah, Channel 5 programmes tend to skew more towards a C2DE audience, pretty similar to ITV1 on the whole.

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“On another note, is there any way of finding out how many of the Glee viewers are in pay homes (even those who watch it on Freeview in other rooms, but still have access to Sky/Virgin)?”

Unfortunately, I don't get that sort of data. Probably only the broadcasters and people at Barb/Broadcast/MG get that sort of information.
derek500
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yeah, Channel 5 programmes tend to skew more towards a C2DE audience...”

People who like US TV, but can't afford Sky!!
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Friday 20th May Overnights
ITV1
20:00- Baboons with Bill Bailey: 2.55m (12.3%)

Channel 5
20:00- Eddie Stobart: Trucks and Trailers: 1.4m (6.5%)

Channel 4
20:00- A Place In The Sun: Home or Away: 1.17m (5.5%)

BBC Two
20:00- Petworth House: The Big Spring Clean: 1.15m (5.5%)”

Excellent result for Channel 5 at 8pm. Eddie's such a solid performer. Up nearly 2 whole share points on the seasonal special in January, C5 will be thrilled!

I wasn't convinced it would rate as well this time around, but that's a very promising start. Viewers just love this show.
rzt
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Excellent result for Channel 5 at 8pm. Eddie's such a solid performer. Up nearly 2 whole share points on the seasonal special in January, C5 will be thrilled!

I wasn't convinced it would rate as well this time around, but that's a very promising start. Viewers just love this show.”

Isn't that the show's lowest ever rating for a Friday 8pm episode though? In both no. of viewers and share? Having said that, it's a very good figure compared to the channel slot average of ~1m.
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“People who like US TV, but can't afford Sky!!”

What, the home of cancelled shows like Stargate Universe, Lie To Me and even their big new show Chicago Code?

Channel 5 have the best US imports around. Only thing missing is Dexter.
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Isn't that the show's lowest ever rating for a Friday 8pm episode though? In both no. of viewers and share? Having said that, it's a very good figure compared to the channel slot average of ~1m.”

Oh, come on. It was only 0.4 share points down on the first series opener. Virtually stable then after a ton of episodes. It's a great result on a quiet night in terms of viewing!

I reckon with timeshift we're looking at 1.7-1.9m, placing it firmly in C5's top 5 programmes of the week.
cherubmattd
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“What, the home of cancelled shows like Fringe, Lie To Me and even their big new show Chicago Code?

Channel 5 have the best US imports around. Only thing missing is Dexter.”

Fringe isn't cancelled (although it should be)
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by cherubmattd:
“Fringe isn't cancelled (although it should be)”

Damn, my edit was not fast enough. I thought Fringe had been cancelled, but Stargate Universe definitely has!
derek500
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“What, the home of cancelled shows like Stargate Universe, Lie To Me and even their big new show Chicago Code?

Channel 5 have the best US imports around. Only thing missing is Dexter.”

Which didn't perform well on another C2DE skewed channel ITV1. Less than a month to go and season five starts on FX. Best show on TV!!

Blue Bloods was renewed and that's performed consistently for Atlantic. The only 'network' show in Atlantic's primetime schedule?
Andy23
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Friday 20th May - Soap Overnights
BBC One
20:00- EastEnders: 7.86m (37.8%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 6.43m (36.5%)
19:30- Coronation Street: 7.93m (40.2%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 8.27m (37.3%) , +1: 211k”

A good strong rating for Corrie's second episode, strange that it beat the first one on a Friday. Both above EastEnders as well.
Glenn A
21-05-2011
Not surprising POG skews heavily C2DE. I could imagine the fairly conservative low brow entertainment he provides clicking with the traditional ITV audience and it does follow the most ITV show of them all. He does weirdly remind me of the old school ITV comedians and entertainers of the seventies, even though he is gay when most of these guys were painfully straight.
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Which didn't perform well on another C2DE skewed channel ITV1. Less than a month to go and season five starts on FX. Best show on TV!!

Blue Bloods was renewed and that's performed consistently for Atlantic. The only 'network' show in Atlantic's primetime schedule?”

Didn't Blue Bloods survive by the skin of its teeth? It wasn't looking good for it for a while there. Could be another bad year for Sky next year, but at least they'll have that bargain buy Glee to look forward to!!

Also it's a bit of a myth that Dexter did badly on ITV1. The ratings were around the 1.5 mark and it was one of the channel's most appreciated broadcasts of the week going by the AI index. I guess the decision not to renew was more down to cost than anything else.
Glenn A
21-05-2011
Here's a ratings idea for ITV to get them out of their 6.30 weakspot, where BBC regional news, traditionally weaker than ITV, has 32 pc of the audience. Why not move the ITV regional news to 5.30 from 6.00, put the 6.30 news on at 6,00. Move Emmerdale to 6.30 and see ratings double in this slot. Also at 7.00 ITV1 could show game shows like All Star Family Fortunes or PSB stuff like The Lakes, which would benefit from not being opposite Eastenders. This would also free up the schedule from being dominated by soaps on Monday nights from 7 until 9.
Dancc
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Here's a ratings idea for ITV to get them out of their 6.30 weakspot, where BBC regional news, traditionally weaker than ITV, has 32 pc of the audience. Why not move the ITV regional news to 5.30 from 6.00, put the 6.30 news on at 6,00. Move Emmerdale to 6.30 and see ratings double in this slot. Also at 7.00 ITV1 could show game shows like All Star Family Fortunes or PSB stuff like The Lakes, which would benefit from not being opposite Eastenders. This would also free up the schedule from being dominated by soaps on Monday nights from 7 until 9.”

And gift The One Show daily 7pm victories? No chance of ITV doing that.
Glenn A
21-05-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“And gift The One Show daily 7pm victories? No chance of ITV doing that. ”

Not quite, if ITV put up something strong in this slot, they should get 5 million viewers. 6.30 seems to be a weakspot for ITV, where previously they were strong, and I think placing Emmerdale in here would gift them another 4 million viewers. Also it would break up the schedule and allow some variety while still keeping the soaps in.
Also good to see you like some of Channel 5's offerings, Dancc, this channel is very underrated. Anyway pub beckons.
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