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The Ratings Thread (Part 20)
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Dancc
27-05-2011
Seven
18:00 Seven News 1.23m
18:30 Today Tonight 1.19m
19:00 Home & Away 0.98m
19:30 How I Met Your Mother 0.68m
20:00 How I Met Your Mother (R) 0.60m
20:30 Grey’s Anatomy 0.80m

Nine
18:00 Nine News 1.10m
18:30 A Current Affair 1.05m
19:00 The Big Bang Theory (R) 0.74m
19:30 RBT 0.76m
20:30 Between The Lines 0.52m
21:30 The Footy Show 0.70m

Ten
17:00 Ten News at Five 0.58m
18:30 6:30 with George Negus 0.40m
19:00 7pm Project 0.81m
19:30 MasterChef Australia 1.46m
20:30 The Oprah Winfrey Show: Finale Week 1.06m
21:30 Law & Order: S.V.U. 0.73m

Eleven
18:30 Neighbours 0.35m

ABC1
21:30 Outback Kids 0.36m

ABC2
21:30 The Graham Norton Show 0.27m
*34th most watched programme on Australian television yesterday.

Shares
Ten: 20.8%
Seven: 19.4%
Nine: 19.4%
ABC1: 11.6%
Eleven: 3.9%
ABC2: 3.0%

Sensational figures for Norton on ABC2. It's very rare for anything on ABC2 to rate that high, normally the top rated shows on the channel are children's programmes which pull in around 200k in the afternoons. Generally in primetime their shows average less than 150k. The episode that aired last night by the way was the one with Lady Gaga, but it rated similarly high last week so I don't think it was just that. Looking at how low ABC1 itself rated in that hour, I wonder if they'll be tempted to promote him to the main channel?

Elsewhere, very strong ratings for Oprah's finale week, helping Ten win the night. Amazing that a daytime show can perform so well in primetime! She will be missed by the network, that's for sure. Meanwhile Nine's Between The Lines is another flop to add to their growing list for 2011, but their night was saved by the usual strong showing by The Footy Show. Seven's night was mediocre, but not a disaster.
jake lyle
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“.

I think if Jay Hunt had gone through the door a little earlier, series two wouldn't even have been commissioned.”

Don't think so, the writer has a handcuffs deal with BBC Drama which means he has to produce a certain amount for them per year and I'm sure it was on Broadcast last year that that was the main reason it returned. He wanted to do more and not fo another new series. Also the latter half of the series was better recieved, which probably encouraged the BBC to do more.
jake lyle
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“It's going to be really interesting to see how it performs. Expectations are massive - but with good reason when you consider how the show performs in other countries.”

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Not all other countries of course, just look at Australia where it's very lucky to be coming back for a second season on Seven.”

I'm fairly sure it hasn't worked in a few more countries and I think the new French version is also doing poorly.

I'm far from 100% that The US version will be getting Idolesque ratings either. My gut feeling is that a large part of middle America wont take to it. It'll still be a hit but not in Idol's league imo.
BeethovensPiano
27-05-2011
Ameircan Idol has turned into Country Idol
Fudd
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Interesting you say that. Didn't we say that it would plunge off a cliff from episode 1 to episode 2? If you remember for episode 2 it faced Rock and Chips and Big Fat Royal Gypsy Weddings. That was incredibly strong opposition, and it beat them both.

OK, the competition was not great for the other weeks, but I'm surprised it has been extremely stable, has not gone below 4m, however has not gone above 5m.”

That's true - I forgot it held up well in week 2. Though I'm pretty sure it would've limped along at best on Tuesday night.
derek500
27-05-2011
Do the official ratings cover the duration of the slot or just the actual programme?

Just wondered as The Sopranos on Atlantic is in a 70 minute slot. Used to have four ad breaks, now just three and when it finished on my Sky+ there was still 13 minutes of recording left. The actual programme ran 60 minutes including the three breaks.
dan2008
27-05-2011
Interesting the BBC are showing Trailers for Next Fridays EastEnders (David Essex first episode which kicks off in big style) so i wonder if it could hold up against BGT?
Fudd
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“Interesting the BBC are showing Trailers for Next Fridays EastEnders (David Essex first episode which kicks off in big style) so i wonder if it could hold up against BGT?”

I think it'll hold up better on Tuesday and Thursday, when Britain's Got Talent hasn't got a leg up on it.
dan2008
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think it'll hold up better on Tuesday and Thursday, when Britain's Got Talent hasn't got a leg up on it.”

Wasn't ot Monday's and Tuesday's episode that held up better last year? (Despite BGT having a 30min headstart on mon)
jonnyblack
27-05-2011
I'm a bit of a lurker on this page and have a quick question if anyone knows the answer. I noticed there was discussion that overnight figures cover anyone who watched a programme live or that night before 2am.

From that I was considering the issue of saying which programme "won" it's slot in a head to head. If you use the overnights then it could be that the programme that "won" in actual fact was watched less "live" and more before 2am hence giving a larger figure than the "loser".

Also with regards the time breakdowns of figures for each channel. If say there is data for each 15 minutes on a channel, how do these factor in to the figures of those watching before 2am included in the overnights?

Thanks to anyone who can help.
Brekkie
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Do the official ratings cover the duration of the slot or just the actual programme?

Just wondered as The Sopranos on Atlantic is in a 70 minute slot. Used to have four ad breaks, now just three and when it finished on my Sky+ there was still 13 minutes of recording left. The actual programme ran 60 minutes including the three breaks.”

I believe the overtnights take the whole slot, the officials remove the ads.
trickytree1979
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by jonnyblack:
“I'm a bit of a lurker on this page and have a quick question if anyone knows the answer. I noticed there was discussion that overnight figures cover anyone who watched a programme live or that night before 2am.

From that I was considering the issue of saying which programme "won" it's slot in a head to head. If you use the overnights then it could be that the programme that "won" in actual fact was watched less "live" and more before 2am hence giving a larger figure than the "loser".

Also with regards the time breakdowns of figures for each channel. If say there is data for each 15 minutes on a channel, how do these factor in to the figures of those watching before 2am included in the overnights?

Thanks to anyone who can help.”

Overnight files are released in 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute time slots and by Live and Live + VOSDAL. Most people used the Live + VOSDAL figures are these are more comprehensive at that time (i.e. include time shift from the same day). Minute viewing to a channel is viewing of that broadcast minute not when it was watched so even if in reality there were 10 million people watching a recording of BBC1 at 1am, these 10 million would be attributed back to the broadcast time and not the actual time of viewing. Within the data you can split out Live and the time shift element to see who 'won' and 'lost' in terms of Live, but as mentioned most people include the VOSDAL because it's such a significant and more accurate picture of viewing to a channel/broadcast.
trickytree1979
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I believe the overtnights take the whole slot, the officials remove the ads.”

Correct, not until a broadcaster submits their log files (both programme and commercial) can the adverts (or intervals) be removed from the programme audience calculation. These are submitted in the 7 days following broadcast with final consolidated data released 8 days after transmission.
Joe40
27-05-2011
Paul O'Grady has announced that when he returns from a break (June 17th), his show will be a Lady Gaga special.
dan2008
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Paul O'Grady has announced that when he returns from a break (June 17th), his show will be a Lady Gaga special.”

Will give it a miss i think.
He was on fine form tonight and Olly Murrs was good LIVE but the song is crap
jonnyblack
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“Overnight files are released in 1 minute, 5 minute and 15 minute time slots and by Live and Live + VOSDAL. Most people used the Live + VOSDAL figures are these are more comprehensive at that time (i.e. include time shift from the same day). Minute viewing to a channel is viewing of that broadcast minute not when it was watched so even if in reality there were 10 million people watching a recording of BBC1 at 1am, these 10 million would be attributed back to the broadcast time and not the actual time of viewing. Within the data you can split out Live and the time shift element to see who 'won' and 'lost' in terms of Live, but as mentioned most people include the VOSDAL because it's such a significant and more accurate picture of viewing to a channel/broadcast.”

Ok that's very helpful thanks. So if the figures we see are often Live+VOSDAL then surely that removes the argument about +1 channels as they are essentially "time-shifted" viewing in the same sense that I could watch BBC1 live and then watch a recording of BBC1 later in the evening, or watch ITV1 live and then ITV1+1 live - both cases giving two "viewers". Or would watching live and then watching a recording only count as one viewer.

It seems the most considered argument for +1 not being included was repeat viewing but this could still occur in basic overnights regardless.
D.M.N.
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by jonnyblack:
“Ok that's very helpful thanks. So if the figures we see are often Live+VOSDAL then surely that removes the argument about +1 channels as they are essentially "time-shifted" viewing in the same sense that I could watch BBC1 live and then watch a recording of BBC1 later in the evening, or watch ITV1 live and then ITV1+1 live - both cases giving two "viewers". Or would watching live and then watching a recording only count as one viewer.

It seems the most considered argument for +1 not being included was repeat viewing but this could still occur in basic overnights regardless.”

Not sure it works like that in the BBC1 case as it is one channel, so one viewers. ITV1 and ITV1 +1 is a separate case, as 2 separate times = 2 viewers.
square_eyes
27-05-2011
Something a bit different (but ratings related) :

ITV has revealed that viewing figures for the 2011 Dunlop MSA British Touring Car Championship have risen by nearly 35 per cent compared to the corresponding events last season.

Although it would be useful if they put the raw figures in.

http://www.crash.net/btcc/news/16962...g_figures.html
D.M.N.
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by square_eyes:
“Something a bit different (but ratings related) :

ITV has revealed that viewing figures for the 2011 Dunlop MSA British Touring Car Championship have risen by nearly 35 per cent compared to the corresponding events last season.

Although it would be useful if they put the raw figures in.

http://www.crash.net/btcc/news/16962...g_figures.html”

From BARB, for May 1st:

11:00 to 18:30 - BTCC: 297,000

Doesn't say what it peaked at though. I wonder how close it was to beating ITV1 for some portion of the timeslot?
Charnham
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“Channel Five will be concerned over the news about Law and Order: SVU

Spoiler
Seems that Mariska Hargitay's role is being downgraded and Chris Meloni is leaving as they have been unable to agree a new contract....talk is of an all new lead detective team for the next series with Olivia promoted and Jennifer Love Hewitt touted as one replacement....to many Olivia/Elliot are SVU and UK viewing figures will fall if these stories pan out and when Five catch up with Universal's screenings.
”

NBC apparntly trying to destory Law & Order, look at the mess that was L&O: LA
trickytree1979
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by jonnyblack:
“Ok that's very helpful thanks. So if the figures we see are often Live+VOSDAL then surely that removes the argument about +1 channels as they are essentially "time-shifted" viewing in the same sense that I could watch BBC1 live and then watch a recording of BBC1 later in the evening, or watch ITV1 live and then ITV1+1 live - both cases giving two "viewers". Or would watching live and then watching a recording only count as one viewer.

It seems the most considered argument for +1 not being included was repeat viewing but this could still occur in basic overnights regardless.”

Absolutely, although there are many different opinions on here about the treatment of the staggercast (+1) channels but in all intents and purposes they are a time-shifted version of a live broadcast and therefore in my opinion it is perfectly reasonably to include a +1 audience in aggregation with its parent for channel and content comparison and indeed this is what broadcasters do anyway. As your example quite rightly points out it would be no different from you watching BBC1 at 8pm and then watching the same content time shifted at 10pm, in BARB terms you would count twice in the audience figures. So with that in mind adding a +1 audience to its parent is no different.
mattpinder
27-05-2011
So, if I had a BARB box and watched EastEnders live at 7:30pm then watched it again before 2am on my PVR, would i be counted twice in the overnights?

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't?

If I had a BARB box and watched watched Corrie live at 8:30pm then watched it again on +1 then surely i would be counted twice by BARB as it is a different broadcast on a different channel?

Hence, this is why BARB don't include +1 in the final figure because there is a possibility that there maybe repeat viewers?
trickytree1979
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by mattpinder:
“So, if I had BARB box and watched EastEnders live at 7:30pm then watched it again before 2am on on my PVR, would i be counted twice in the overnights?”

That is correct.
mattpinder
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by trickytree1979:
“That is correct.”

Really? So I could (in theory) watch EE Live +4 times that night via PVR and boost the overnight+VOSDAL?

I find that hard to believe TBH, BARB households have to register who is watching don't they?
trickytree1979
27-05-2011
Originally Posted by mattpinder:
“Really? So I could (in theory) watch EE Live +4 times that night via PVR and boost the overnight+VOSDAL?

I find that hard to believe TBH, BARB households have to register who is watching don't they?”

Yes, but its not a reach figure it's an audience figure. This is the way it's always been.
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