That was a stunning victory for England. You could have got 50-1 for an England win about three hours ago!!

Hope the news filters through in time to help the highlights on C5.

All those moaning about 'kids' not getting to watch any cricket, get them in front of C5 at 7pm!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Evancho

No wonder we've never heard of her. She didn't exist on the planet before last Wednesday

An 11 year-old who sings in the style of Sarah Brightman and Charlotte Church, plays the violin and piano and sings opera? She's a character in a episode of Dr Who, surely. (Bless her.)



Roadshow proves to be one of the BBC's most effiicent programmes at holding up against the Cowell shows, which is why I'm so surprised when posters on this thread reveal how hugely popular the Cowell shows are with the ABC1 audience.

Roadshow on a Saturday though just seems soooo wrong.

These are likely to pull in a few million viewers, but I expect Auntie to wilt tonight and only the more hardcore BBCistas to choose the BBC tonight.

There's old ABC1s and young ABC1s.

Maybe it's spreading. This year's (current!) X Factor panel looks like a BBC Entertainment idea of what a panel should be.

At the end of the day though, what can any channel do against a stripped live Cowellathon-with added Coronation Street! Just put out a regulation schedule and hope for the best.

My point was the effect XF/BGT can have on a show. TV Burp gets inflated to 7.9m for one night and then is down to low 4s a few months later without an XF lead-in.

We will have to wait and see how many viewers will watch Scott and Bailey with no BGT lead-in to see how it well its really doing.


Maybe best to wait a couple of weeks before making a statement like that. I wouldnt be shocked if S+B is down under 5m before the end of its run.



Big names there. A musical theatre act with Amanda Holden and someone most of the country have never heard of.

Perhaps the Hoff can perform "Jump In My Car" one night?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1587979249836#

I think Nicole is on Wednesday but a shame really they don't break away from the usual US stars and bring in some big names outside the record industry. Always nice to have some of the BGT alumni on too, though I don't think last years finalists overall were strong enough to warrant guest slots, other than the winners of course.


To be fair when ITV made the effort with The X Factor finals a couple of years ago they had an excellent line up. Last year they scaled back on that so instead of Paul McCartney you ended up with George Michael.

Actually I said that on one of the XF threads. Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Beeb would have come up with that panel-though obviously they would have to have had Louis Walsh ditched in favour of Barrowman

Or Barrowman on presenting duties!

I would think BGT skews older than TXF as it is more of a talent contest on the lines of New Faces or Opportunity Knocks. Also I bet a few viewers of BGT, including me when I get the chance to see BGT, watched these two shows.

BGT is so bland it becomes kinda cool - Amanda, David, Michael are so boring yet put them in front of someone with talent and they seem to come alive. They have put through some dross to create drama this week, expecting high ratings. Can see BGT doing well with the return of Cowell - he is very easy to watch, expecting to see an average of 11 million tonight although EE could easily dent the average showing at 8pm, loyal EE fans will skip 30 mins of live BGT.

Great for Scott & Bailey - just watching now on ITVplayer, not that good so far, very much drama by numbers - can see a 25% drop next week easily. Also Good for PofC considering it was a 3rd showing, Countryfile and AR over 5 million which is steady.

Have to say though, I dont think anyone would have predicted this kind of change at the end of the last series of XF. There will still be huge interest obviously but the show cant help but be different in feel.

Yep, it goes without saying that TXF/BGT boosts programmes airing around it. When a show is peaking at 11m+, naturally programmes airing either side of it will rate better than if there was no 11m+ show next to it. I think, however, in that particular case using that 7.9m to 4.3m comparison is a massive exaggeration in terms of saying how much a show like TV Burp does gets boosted from airing next to TXF. As shown by the series averages, TV Burp experiences a ratings lift of no more than 1m on average when scheduled alongside TXF (this is from 3 year's worth of data). Comparing the highest ever rating of TV Burp to its lowest ever rating from recent years is a bit selective IMHO - I could easily say something similar about another show like Countryfile which once got 8m when scheduled next to SCD last Autumn but has fallen as low as the mid 4's previously too, but it wouldn't be a fair statement of how the show is actually doing most weeks. Ultimately though getting back to last night, it is very good scheduling to have new programmes airing after the big-hitters of TXF/BGT as it gets them off to the best possible start. How they rate for the remaining episodes without that inheritence will mainly depend on the quality of the series.


I agree. I said on another forum a few days ago that certain factors mean that Scott and Bailey could experience a big ~30% drop for its second episode (similar to some other ITV dramas of recent years) given that it'll face tougher drama opposition, have a much lower lead-in next week and the show is nothing special from what I've read. The breakdown which I'll post tomorrow should give us a better idea. So yep, it's too early to say the show is a hit for sure - retention is key from now on. Given that the show started with a higher than anticipated rating, it's possible that ITV might now be hoping for overnights in the 6's for the remainder of the series (even if they were originally hoping for 5's), but I don't think they'll complain if it does go down and stabilizes in the 5's as long as it remains above the 5m mark which ought to be good enough to give it another series.

Amanda Holden's the best one of those announced so far - at least there is a bit of interest there as she's a judge. Which can't be said if it's someone like Avril Lavigne who we've seen before but have never been overly interested in.

As for The Hoff, be careful what you wish for. He has performed several times on America's Got Talent. But if we can get this, then they definitely have to get him on!

David Hasselhoff performing "Feeling Good" on America's Got Talent 2009.

Truly epic.

Press Release: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...l/default.html

Just a thought, could the Eastenders repeat on BBC Three double as people defer their viewing of the soap due to BGT? We could see BBC Three catching up with C5 tonight.

well we saw some excellent BBC 3 ratings last year, they were posted in this thread, ill go back and find them in a minute.

I expect they will go up, its another example of how people are time shifting as technology allows them to.

The BBC3 EastEnders ratings this week will most likely be rating in the mid 1's, maybe even close to the 2m mark if last year's anything to go by. So I think we'll definitely see BBC3 ahead of BBC2, C4 and C5 in some of the 10pm slots this week.

found them.

About BGT's guests, Spelbound tonight sounds right, and Shrek on Tuesday and Avril on Wednesday are confirmed. Spelbound are understandable, Shrek is a good idea but Avril Lavigne is hardly a good booking. Not sure about Thursday and Friday but Nicole Scherzinger is confirmed for Saturday, but they're having 2 guests on that night so there will nbd somebody else too. I'd bet on Gaga and Adele popping up at some point, and maybe Jackie Evancho if she's duetting with SuBo. She isn't well known enough to get a solo spot though. The Hoff may well sing (he sung at the end of his Life Stories interview so it's a possibility) and getting McIntyre to do a bit of stand up would be a bit different. But yeah, the BGT guests are always a bit underwhelming compared to the big names TXF attracts.

As for The X Factor judges, no surprises there. Cheryl's possible return was the only potential curveball in something that has been known for weeks. I'll be interested to see how they do. Tulisa will be controversial and her and Louis will be good together. Kelly should be fun and I think she'll be quite blunt. Gary will be looked upon as the most important judge like Simon was but hopefully he's got more personality than his dull speaking voice suggests.

Cowell normally gets his judges spot on. The new BGT panel has been genius, the addition of Dannii and Cheryl to XF have seen it reach new heights, but that lineup looks absolutely dire.. I really don't think Kelly & Tulisa are going to be great for ratings. Louis has become stale since Sharon left anyway & is Gary ready to be a direct replacement for Cowell?? The lineup was obviously meant to have been the above, bar Dannii instead of Tulisa which would have been better, because at least Dannii and Louis have some chemistry and I think Dannii would have worked better with Gary.

Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but the first signs are not promising at all...

It may do, but it's half hour out of an 11 hour schedule. Channel 5 are hardly quaking in their boots over an EE repeat. In fact it's practically all repeats on BBC Three tonight except for Bizarre ER at 10:30pm. Channel 5 have all new programmes from 7pm to 10pm and a great movie thereafter.

I think it says a lot about the standard of multichannel this week that the top 4 programmes will probably end up being EE repeats. ITV2 has predictably given up for the week during BGT show times with Vampire Diaries reruns. And the strength of EE will mean BGMT cannot do much more than about 1m.

To be honest, after a good start I think the Got Talent panel is dire. It's too easy on the acts and Michael Mcintyre, who did look promising, seems to focus more on comedy (not in a good way) acts rather than serious talent.

I actually have high hopes for The X Factor panel. I can see it working out well. I think it'll draw in the viewers for the first show - it's keeping them which'll be more difficult.

I disagree with that, the BBC 3 episodes is not simply "a repeat" this week, its a "timeshift" some people may use, Channel 5 may well loose out to the EE BBC 3 airing.

of course it will be hard to know that, when the ratnig will be for a 2hour & 50 minute film.

Personally I wont be watching the BBC 3 repeat, as im not aware of any reason not to watch EE on BBC 1 as normal, whats happening to make this week specail?