They might pull Corrie off by Wednesday and replace it with TV Burp repeats. They at least brought solidity to BGT's figures last year.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's down to 9m on Friday.

That's how they work. Overnights for Game of Thrones c500k. timeshift to c1m. Then add the other three showings in the week and it's up to 1.4m.

Compare that to a single showing of a C4 or C5 drama?

If you pro-rata the potential reach you're up to c3.5m. In fact it would easily top the ratings of C4, C5 and just beat BBC Two's top programme.

Agreed. The weather will take its toll on all programmes. Saturday currently looks the pick of the bunch for England & Wales:

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The above temps coupled with pure unbroken sunshine makes it a great weekend for BBQs.

I'll be keeping a close eye in particular on the teatime soaps. It was about this time last year that Hollyoaks fell to a record low audience. (source)

Anything more than about 21C makes me cranky, so people can expect some grumpy posts from me in this thread at the weekend.

Following the 3.2 premiere for So You Think You Can Dance last Thursday, ABC got things rolling with their summer line-up. The Bachelorette's 2.3 was down about 8% from the second episode last season and lower than any other episode last season. Tonight ABC has NBA Play-Offs, FOX burns off episodes of Traffic Light and NBC has the season premiere of America's Got Talent (8-10pm) and the last episode of The Voice (10-11pm) before it goes live next week.


It's a ratings thread, I'd not expect anything else!

I missed out the trailers, yes. Although they don't do trailers in every ad break, AFAIK. Do ITV really have enough shows to air 6 trailers a night over 6 consecutive nights?!

I'd have thought a trailer for Corrie during BGT each night would be one. Then Popstar To Operastar, Scott & Bailey and Injustice could have 2 or 3 over the week (though PTO hardly needs it what with a 30 minute ad on Saturday).

IIRC, there weren't many trailers in The X Factor final. Although through the series you would get breaks as long as 5 minutes (particularly the ones with the competition).

The OFCOM rules just seem an overly complicated way of doing it - it'd make more sense to simply apply the rules across primetime or per hour rather than assigning exact numbers for what lengths of shows can have what number of breaks as well as setting limits on hourly advertising and primetime advertising. I think it was their changes that lead to BB dragging out past 11pm in its latter years to squeeze in extra breaks.

I don't think the Weather will affect Britain's got talent on Saturday but i really fear for Doctor who.

Who watches the BBC anyway? That channel is about crap programmes for oldies and poor talent shows that flop, the channel will need an ace up their shelve this week to compete with BGT and Coronation Street in between.

Brilliant ratings for both shows last night that trend will continue through out the week I reckon. The BBC don't have that gem to compete with what ITV are offering this week.

Let's not fret about a warm weekend impacting on BGT. It didn't stop 16m tuning in at 6.30pm in 80+ heat a couple of years back, and 18.5m later on that same hot sultry evening.

BGT seems impervious to heatwaves. Doctor Who, however, is another matter.

Which is odd, really, because you'd think in hot weather BGT viewers would be sat in their backyards in their Asda beachwear, exposing their tattoos, smoking fags and downing cans of Carlsberg, whilst firing up their gas-powered BBQs and feeding burnt titbits to their Staffordshire bull terriers, rather than watching Cowell's dancing dogshow, whilst DW's sci-fi geeks are probably too fragile to venture outside if the temperature creeps above 68 degrees...

Or am I generalising too far?

I have to disagree with you Robbie, Carlsberg sounds far too upmarket

I don't envisage a great overnight for Doctor Who this weekend.

That's Carlsberg Export, in bottles.

Chavs just drink ordinary cooking lager Carlsberg. From cans.

The BGT/ITV haters really clutching at straws today.

Surely any programme that has dropped from a figure in the 10s to a lower figure still in the 10s deserves no further comment. It's still 10million!

Two things people aren't considering are, a seperate results show allows a longer voting period i.e more revenue, and secondly, they'd need lots of voting period filler if it was one programme, dragging down the average as people turn off for a bit.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how both showings of EastEnders still failed to beat Emmerdale?

Very surprised that ITV News beat BBC News at teatime yesterday, especially as the BBC bulletin was in the better slot.

Andy23 are you now going to make a post about every ITV program that outrated its BBC competition?

The Bachelorette didn't do so well last night but a decent start for the Extreme Makeover spin-off. FOX will be happy with SYTYCD's launch, especially after last year's series hardly set the world alight. AGT premiered with a 3.6 last year, a 3.2 in 2009 and a 3.7 in 2008. I'm expecting something similar tonight, and I think it could be in for a good year, as the show itself improved a lot last year and Jackie Evancho raised it's profile a bit. Having said that the 8pm starts for the Tuesday episodes will drag it down a bit for a few weeks. NBC will also be hoping The Voice bounces back into the 4s tonight and increases further next week at 9pm. If it doesn't then whilst the ratings are strong it's lost a lot of momentum very quickly.


Last night they trailed something called Extraordinary Families at least twice and Scott and Bailey and Operastar got a lot too so I think they did run one in every break (they usually do at the end of each break). They usually run 3.5 mins of ads anyway. The OFCOM rules do limit them and yeah it was those that caused BB to be extended. They also resulted in 75 minute audition shows for The X Factor (but not for BGT strangely) and slightly longer live shows. I agree though they'd be better off just doing it per hour or across primetime as the sysyem is complicated and restrictive.

Good start to ITV's week with Talent and Corrie performing strongly. I don't think there's an awful lot wrong with the schedule - in terms of maximising revenue (which is what its all about) then its about as efficient as it gets. Putting Corrie at 9.30 would of course limit the voting time for BGT.

The Egypt documentary on BBC One proved a pretty capable foil in the end. I think that sort of factual stuff is about the best they can do on these nights - and I'm glad it held up well enough for them. EE took a hit (as did TOS airing against Emmerdale - which seemed to get a boost) but should be a bit stronger starting alongside Talent at 7.30 tonight.

BBC Two had a solid night apart from the terrible 9pm slot (what on earth was that programme anyway?!) while C4 sort of gave up. The Gadget Show seems to have gone down for Channel 5. By the way, as I don't follow the cricket ratings much, how good comparatively speaking was 1m for the highlights?

There was a lot of focus earlier about how ITV News was beaten by the BBC News at 10pm, I'm surprised nobody factored in the teatime rating at that time.

How did the scheme do last night on bbc1 scotland?

Coronation Street is only getting high ratings as it it wedged between BGT and the extra viewers are coming from people watching BGT are sticking with ITV1 until the results.

Last week Coronation Street had 9.0m the same figure as EE.

EE was only low as it was up against a programme being watched by 11.3m viewers.

To be fair, if you read back I don't think anyone is criticising EastEnders figures, nor are they over promoting Coronation Street's.

I know we're not allowed to criticise anything to do with EastEnders on this thread (), but blimey...

yes the ratrings this week dont mean much in the long or medium term, well unless Corrie was doing something like 6 million viewers, then that would be worrying, but it would have been underpreforming before this week if that was to happen.

I'll send you some superglue.


And what have BBC1 got - the SYTYCD Final and some rubbish with John Barrowman.

At least ITV try in the summer, and Fool Us should hopefully be their strongest summer programme for some time, although personally I think the format would be better as occassional one-offs rather than a series.


Q1: Basically when a show hits 25 minutes it can have one internal break, 45 mins for two, 55 mins for three and 70 mins for 4, and then for every 20 minutes they get an extra ad break.

Q2: Interesting though - I would think not considering it doesn't seem to happen, but then again if they air a double bill of a drama it is treated as two shows rather than one. Also I'm sure with films the reason C5 suddenly revive their on the hour news updates and ITV insert "showbiz news" into their films on ITV2/3/4 is to split them to get an extra ad break. Otherwise why would they bother?


No doubt about it Impossible will be at 11pm at best and they're spinning it being burnt off in a late night slot as a positive.

It's a good example of a show that did itself no favours by having no repeats on C5 or 5*. I had intended to watch the premiere but forgot to tape it, so looked for a repeat and found there was none - and not being so fussed as to hunt it down on Demand 5, simply wrote it off.

Digiguide update for week beginning Saturday 11th June:

Saturday 11th:
BBC1:
17:15 - F1 Qualifying
19:15 - SYTYCD? Final
20:20 - Who Dares Wins
21:10 - Casualty
22:00 - SYTYCD? Results
22:30 - BBC News & Weather

ITV1:
18:00 - Kids Do The Funniest Things
19:00 - Ice Age: The Meltdown
20:40 - The Cube
21:40 - ITV News & Weather
21:55 - Hellboy II

- Camelot starts on Channel 4 at 9.20pm with a double bill.

Sunday 12th:
- Film premiere Definitely, Maybe at 8pm on Channel 4.

Monday 13th:
- The Walton Sextuplets: Moving On at 9pm on ITV1.

Tuesday 14th:
- Luther returns at 9pm on BBC1.
- Baby Hospital starts at 9pm on ITV1.

Wednesday 15th:
- New episode of Marple at 8pm on ITV1.

Thursday 16th:
- My Family returns to BBC1 at 9pm, paired with Miranda repeats.
- The Choir That Rocks starts at 9pm on ITV1.

Friday 17th:
- Ocean Giants at 9pm on BBC1.
- The Kennedys starts with a double bill at 9pm on BBC2.
- Channel 4 have a night of new series - Come Dine With Me at 8pm, 8 Out Of 10 Cats at 9pm, King Of... at 9:30pm and Alan Carr: Chatty Man at 10pm.
- Castle gets its first terrestrial airing at pm Channel 5.

Thanks to Elgin for the info
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Quite late for the SYTYCD Results - maybe they don't want to give it a better slot given the ratings it's been getting. ITV have given up for the night early on - does anyone know what sort of ratings Ice Age usually gets? Bit of a random movie to show, unless there's an Ice Age movie coming out?

Interesting the BBC are putting My Family on Thursdays rather than Fridays which they did last year. Miranda repeats to introduce more viewers to the show. Factual filler on ITV1 on Mon/Tue/Thu that week.

So Camelot going on Saturdays then - not as strong as competition as The Pillars of the Earth faces, so be interesting to see how it does. I do think though C4 need it at 10pm in the week more.

And 8 out of 10 Cats cut back to 30 minutes then, which probably isn't a bad thing. Wouldn't be surprised if they do an extended repeat at the weekend as a compromise. I thought King Of... would get a later slot though - post Chatty Man perhaps, and once again new Come Dine with Me wasted in a competitive slot when it could get a million more on another night.