ok let me just look what was on at 10pm

Well they could have watched BBC News, they could have watched Lead Balloon, they could have watched EE on BBC 3, Google Baby on More 4 or South Park on Viva, no need to be watching Jordie Shore.

It worries me when I read that something is "car crash TV" it normally means it is rubbish and is to quality TV, what McDonalds is to quality food.

Can you picture the careers guidance councilers in Essex, Chelesa & Newcastle, we want to be on "The Only Way is Jordie Gilrs" or in English, I dont need to be able to read I am going to be famous on "The Only Jordie Shore Gilrs", all 3 shows should be pulled from the air.

Junior Doctors should be required viewing.

BGT is for many must see tv - but some viewers must cringe at the acts and the way the judges praise mediocrity. I can see right away why it is not a 50% share show - with 8 good acts per night it could be millions more better off. Hopefully no more singlers or keyboard players going through.

Ought BBC1 have shown EE at 7.00pm to clash with Emmerdale this week to avoid the BGT clash - then let TOS go live at 7.30 and book a decent guest to have appeared each day this week?

CS did well - John Stape is currently keeping the viewers tuning in. Hoping TA keeps a high share tonight, though I can see it dropping 2 million easily on last week.

Yeah, it seems they've drawn in a whole new audience from AGT (you'd assume that lots of AGT 18-49's tuned in for the first time as well as 50+ viewers). Remarkable stamina from some talent show viewers to hold on for 3 hours!

NBC Breakdown:
8pm - AGT - 12.1m (3.2)
8.30pm - AGT - 14.6m (4.1)
9pm - AGT - 16.5m (4.7)
9.30pm - AGT - 16.7m (4.8)
10pm - The Voice - 14.5m (4.9)
10.30pm - The Voice - 14.1m (4.9)

Doesn't bode too well for AGT starting at 8pm next week (3.7 average at 8pm, 4.8 at 9pm). Although The Voice ought to climb over the 5.0 mark again with a 9pm start.

NBC would have killed for that kind of performance in primetime during the proper TV season! 5 out of 6 half hours above a 4.0?!

That's also a Series High in adults 18-49 for America's Got Talent. The previous high was a 4.1 for the 2007 finale. It's also the most watched season premiere. The series high for total viewers was last summers finale results show - 16.4m.

America's Got Talent was up 20% in total viewers and 17% in adults 18-49 from the season 5 premiere.

Yeah I also think the fact that the skew was slightly less towards 18-49s is a good thing for the show going forward as it makes it more competitive with older skewing stuff on the other networks whilst still having that great 18-49 rating.

Also, that's AGT's highest rating ever in the demo and easily its highest ever premiere in total viewers. I wonder whether BGT should use the same scheduling next year as with Cowell no longer on it for most of the series there wouldn't be a problem getting the judges, and I do wonder whether weekly live shows would be better as I can't really see it building much momentum this week. The downside of stripping it across a week is that if it turns out to be a week of really good weather (as it has this year and did last year) then all the live shows are dented whereas running it weekly lessens the effects, as the weather won't be good every Saturday.

It wouldn't need to run for as many weeks as the US show but using the format could boost the show's overall average. It could run from say early March to late May/early June and the auditions could be filmed in early November or December/early January meaning that Ant and Dec could do a Saturday night show from mid-January until BGT, so Q1 Saturdays (and Q2 Saturdays due to more BGT) would improve. Whilst it would mean that BGT and Dancing on Ice would both be running through March, BGT would be auditions and therefore only 1 hour on Saturdays so it wouldn't be a problem.

Watching the X Factor Judges giving Interviews on the BBC Website i must say i think the new series will be a hit, it Think The X Factor this year will be more of a talent show then a popularity contest. And i just hope that Simon Won't return because i think he will spoil the show.

Ah well, its brilliant viewing IMO. If it was on E4 it would easily surpass the 1m mark, unlike Made in Chelsea which is awful. Considering the mammoth ratings it's getting for MTV, looks like it will be here for a while

well that is your opinion I will continue to object to "The Only Way Is Joride Girls" and their like.

Either that or Coronation St is driving some of Talent's viewers away at 9pm, and they are not returning. It could be the two shows' audiences have less similar profiles than ITV realised when they came up with this schedule.



Not sure about that. Big Top gave us an idea of how ratings can be with Amanda Holden centre stage.

For anyone who doesn't remember Big Top (and those trying to forget), it was a scripted show with Amanda surrounded by a selection of third-rate circus acts.

Sound familiar?

As Sky One has discovered.

They may as well keep following the auditions until the inevitable first "quit shock" on the judging panel.

Yes it is my opinion, and the opinion of others making it the biggest MTV show since The Osborne's.

I don't know why everyone is so shocked at BGT's ratings. Everyone has said all along that this year would be down on last year, last year's ratings being shockingly high in itself. The only surprise was how high the show has been so far this year, hardly dropping at all.

I can't imagine "ITV being worried" as some have said.

I'm surprised EastEnders rated lower than last year, considering it is supposed to be a stronger week than last year.

just because something is a hit, doesnt make it right, I dont recall anyone claiming that The Osbournes was GOOD TV it was more talk of "Car Crash TV" people die in car crashes, why on earth do we want that on our TVs.

ITV will be massively happy I'd say. They have a show that has managed the transition to post-Cowell pretty well unscathed. I'd not expect to see Cowell appear at all next year on BGT.

Well, from what I've seen, he certainly doesn't look as though his heart's in it anymore, so I expect you're right in predicting he won't be on screen in the next series.

As C14E, who watches avidly, has pointed out, Cowell is missing opportunities to stir up the faux-controversy these shows thrive on, so perhaps America is the priority now.

I think ITVs only problem will be what to do when BGT is seen as too intellectual by a generation raised on "The Only Way Is Joride Girls"

Yeah, the breakdown suggests it might fall into the low 3's next week at 8pm but I think it's probably worth doing, to ensure The Voice has the best slot and becomes as big as it can possibly be.


Is there a particular reason why NBC hasn't moved AGT to the proper season? The ratings it gets are excellent, especially by NBC standards, so one might've thought that they would move from summer. Do they keep it in summer because the competition is much weaker? I suppose in the Fall and Spring, there's the chance it would face tough competition like DWTS/TXF/Idol. I think FOX had a season of Hell's Kitchen in Fall and that didn't rate as well as the summer season, and CBS has a similar problem with Big Brother during the Writer's Strike, so maybe it's wise they're keeping AGT in the summer.


I think having a week of live shows definitely has its advantages because the press coverage can be really concentrated in that week to get more people watching (as was especially the case in 2007-2009), although the press this year seem more interested in TXF! Also by keeping it one week it means that the series doesn't feel as drawn out as other shows and having 3 months of BGT (as well as 3-4 months of TXF) might be seen as too much and cause fatigue for the format. The weekly approach has its advantages too, as you've mentioned - the weather can make a big impact to the one week live show ratings whereas less of an impact on a weekly scheduling. It's a difficult one when balancing the pros and cons but personally I do like having the show all done and dusted within 8 weeks and not dragged out for months, but the live shows can certainly be scheduled better in terms of timings. ITV do struggle on Saturday nights in Q1/Q2 before BGT returns so it's possible they might take the approach next year that you've suggested, especially with Cowell no longer in it full-time. However personally I think what they'll do is promote either Penn & Teller Fool Us or Popstar To Operastar to that Q1/Q2 slot next year if one of them is a good-sized hit, the main reason being that next summer there'll be the Euros and Olympics which would make it difficult scheduling both of those shows. If one of them is a hit (or PSTOS takes off this series), they might as well give it a shot in January/February next year. If neither does well, they'll probably have to come up with something new or what you've suggested regarding BGT.

I think they were always reluctant to put it in the fall because it would mean airing back-to-back seasons. Originally they scheduled it for some kind of Sunday slot in January but changed their minds and instead added a results show as part of a larger summer order.

I think scheduling became an isssue - The Biggest Loser is fixed on Tuesdays (especially when Ben Silverman, who launched the show, ran the network). They've got football on Sundays and American Idol used to be Tuesday/Wednesday and they had an agreement with Syco that the two wouldn't clash. Thursdays are reserved for comedy.

Then I think they found it actually worked well in the summer. It filled 3 high rated hours, was beating So You Think You Can Dance? and other reality shows. And even the repeats deliver better numbers than most of their new summer series! It's good to have something during which to promote new fall series as well. And they could get the most out of it in terms of hours as well. And it works well for Cowell because of that. Last summer I think Syco made about 42 hours of the show for NBC.

Channel 4 has renewed their exclusive deal with Gordon Ramsey:

Hmm... considering the poor ratings most of his recent shows have had, I wasn't expecting C4 to do another golden-handcuffs deal. Only a one year deal this time though.

You are, yes. And over-estimating The Apprentice.

Just like EE has taken a caning, so will Apprentice. I'd be disappointed if it sinks below 5m, but 5m would be fantastic against 10m Corrie and BGT.




Simon should sue...


This "post Cowell future" would be the one that has involved ITV trailing the return of Cowell to BGT for finals week as if it was the Second Coming?

If they had managed it pretty well, and considered the show "unscathed", they wouldn't have had him back at all - or at least, not made such a song and dance(ing dog) about it!

Whether it's right or not, it's entertaining, and no of course I do not mean real car crashes. obviously that will not be cool.
I watch these shows to be entertained, I wouldn't want to watch a bunch of people drinking tea around a table talking about shopping... I watch documentaries to be informed and interested.

sounds like Big Brother to me, unless I misunderstood the show.

There is simply better forms of enterainment than "The Only Way Is Jordie Girls" type shows, there was a time people (inculding this therad) looked down on the likes of Jersey Shore, and saying how that would never happen on UK TV, now people are falling over themselves to say how excellent they are, one seriously misjudged BAFTA and certainly its equal to Shakesphere.

Total waste of money, IMO. It's not even like they could be clinging on for stability - his ratings aren't just poor by his own standards, they're poor by Channel 4 standards.

And I'm surprised he doesn't just focus on his US TV work - there's enough of it!

Could be a long summer for C4.

Given that BGT results had 8.9m (9.2m inc +1) yesterday, it's highly unlikely it'll managed 10m tonight like you've suggested. As for The Apprentice, it'll take a knock, but even last year Junior Apprentice managed 4.2m against BGT (having had 5.2m the previous week) so I reckon The Apprentice which averaged 7.5m last week will experience a similar weekly % drop as its spin-off version and rate more around the 6m mark than 5m.

Shut up George