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Old 20-05-2011, 16:07
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I wonder if it will ever happen. If the old wounds and divisions were healed would the Irish be prepared to re-join with the UK.

Would the British isles really become a 'United Kingdom'??
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:23
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Nope, I don't see either the Irish or anyone else wanting it.
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:23
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:27
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Will never happen
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:33
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In a word, Never!
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:35
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Probably not, no.

A United Commonwealth also starring New Zealand and Australia would perhaps be more palatable though.
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:44
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I wonder if it will ever happen. If the old wounds and divisions were healed would the Irish be prepared to re-join with the UK.

Would the British isles really become a 'United Kingdom'??
I doubt if a re-join would ever happen as Ireland never exactly joined in the first place, Ireland and the U.K are now both part of a bigger EU picture so a union of the 2 countries is not that important. a lot of things are already common between the 2 countries such as Irish people joining the British armed forces and passports shared between the 2 countries, relations are fine at the moment and getting better every day.
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:50
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No chance
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Old 20-05-2011, 16:53
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Ireland should have remained in the UK for a bit longer though, at least then later it could have pulled out as one country, rather than resulting in being partitioned.
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:02
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Ireland should have remained in the UK for a bit longer though, at least then later it could have pulled out as one country, rather than resulting in being partitioned.
The first world war brought an end to that notion, the chance of a united Ireland did appear in the second world war but De Valera turned the idea down.
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:09
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The first world war brought an end to that notion, the chance of a united Ireland did appear in the second world war but De Valera turned the idea down.
Could they not have pulled out in the 60's/70's? Withdrawing with the queen as their head of state (bit like Canada/Australia) as a concession to unionists? Might have worked? Then in time they probably would have removed her from that role eventually.
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:16
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We fought long and hard to be an independent nation, so it's a non runner. Irish people are very patriotic and have a strong sense of their own culture and national identity.

Nonetheless, the visit by the Queen has been an overwhelming success. She went down a storm, and I bet we'll see her here again soon.
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Old 20-05-2011, 17:26
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Could they not have pulled out in the 60's/70's? Withdrawing with the queen as their head of state (bit like Canada/Australia) as a concession to unionists? Might have worked? Then in time they probably would have removed her from that role eventually.
The biggest problem for Ireland that I see from the 1916 uprising was that Ireland still relied heavily on Britiain for employment which showed itself very clearly in both world wars with tens of thousands of Irishmen from both the north and south volunteering for the British army purely as an income. As for pullng out in the 1960/70s I doubt if that would have been financially possible for the North as they still relied heavily on orders from Britain for the heavy engineering such as the Belfast Shipyard and aircraft manufacture etc, the South had no such heavy industries and still does not so I doubt the south could support the north in any way and certainly could not do it today.
As I said in my last post Ireland was offered Ulster back at the start of WW2 but it was the Irish who turned down the deal not the British so it sort of makes you wonder why so many hard liners shout for a united Ireland when they had already turned the same down. Since the Irish goverment have denounced their claim to N.I in 1998 I see no point in a tiny group of hardliners fighting for a united Ireland than no one in the south really wants or has a constitutional claim to.
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Old 20-05-2011, 18:25
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No, not a chance. Friends and neighbours, yes!

This week Ireland showed much of its rich past and the vitality of its present and its people. It was lovely to see the little walkabout in Cork today. It's a shame security had to be so tight on the other days of the first visit from a UK monarch in 100 years.
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Old 20-05-2011, 21:43
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Yeah, I have never seen the Queen smile so much as on the Irish State visit. I have totally changed my opinion of her. You just got the impression she really wanted to be in Ireland.
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Old 20-05-2011, 21:48
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Isn't Ireland in major debt to us financially anyway? Not that it will ever happen IMHO, but if what the OP suggests does happen would the debt just be written off?
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Old 20-05-2011, 21:57
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Isn't Ireland in major debt to us financially anyway? Not that it will ever happen IMHO, but if what the OP suggests does happen would the debt just be written off?
The debt is hardly major (around 7 billion) which is a drop in the ocean compared to what Britains debt to the IMF is.
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Old 20-05-2011, 21:58
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Why they want to and why does it matter in the slightest for all of the British Isles to be in the United Kingdom?
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Old 20-05-2011, 22:02
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Yeah, I have never seen the Queen smile so much as on the Irish State visit. I have totally changed my opinion of her. You just got the impression she really wanted to be in Ireland.
She seemed genuinely thrilled to be in Ireland and by the fact the visit was going so well.
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Old 20-05-2011, 22:47
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Absolutely not!
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Old 20-05-2011, 23:48
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OP I think you've understood the significance of this visit. She acknowledges Ireland as a separate state - that's why people have gone batty for her....
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Old 20-05-2011, 23:51
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OP I think you've understood the significance of this visit. She acknowledges Ireland as a separate state - that's why people have gone batty for her....
Also Ireland could not become a "devolved" nation within the UK, as they are already an independent republic outside of it.
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Old 21-05-2011, 00:00
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVbkOwvAVY

Olivia O'Leary pretty much summed up the relationship here I think
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Old 21-05-2011, 00:21
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The debt is hardly major (around 7 billion) which is a drop in the ocean compared to what Britains debt to the IMF is.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...w/02marsh.html
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Old 21-05-2011, 00:40
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Could they not have pulled out in the 60's/70's? Withdrawing with the queen as their head of state (bit like Canada/Australia) as a concession to unionists? Might have worked? Then in time they probably would have removed her from that role eventually.
They withdrew with the King as their head of state in 1922. They became annoyed with the King in the 1940s so in 1949 they changed to being a Republic simply with an Act of Parliament.
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