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Susan will get ripped apart by some of those woman if she ends up in the boardroom |
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Susan will be good at defending herself in the diary room
Lord Sugar: Susan, why shouldn't I fire you? Susan Ma: I've got a brilliant reason, if you got two people in business with each other, like say you're you and I'm me... Lord Sugar: Ok forget it, who should I fire Susan Ma: Well, say I'm me, Natasha's natasha and Zoe's zoe Lord Sugar: What are you talking about Susan? Susan: I don't think I'm explaining it that well Lord Sugar: Ok thats it! I've had enough Susan, you're fired! Susan Ma: That's so unfair!
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Susan will be good at defending herself in the diary room
Lord Sugar: Susan, why shouldn't I fire you? Susan Ma: I've got a brilliant reason, if you got two people in business with each other, like say you're you and I'm me... Lord Sugar: Ok forget it, who should I fire Susan Ma: Well, say I'm me, Natasha's natasha and Zoe's zoe Lord Sugar: What are you talking about Susan? Susan: I don't think I'm explaining it that well Lord Sugar: Ok thats it! I've had enough Susan, you're fired! Susan Ma: That's so unfair! Throw in "blaaady" and "bleedin" a few times, and I could see that happening. |
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Felicity was right on You're Fired - Zoe just wanted a 'public telling off' of Susan to make sure the blame was firmpy placed on her.
Yes Zoe and Natasha would tear into her in a boardroom fight but I think it would back fire and they would come off looking worse as a result. ) and LS fired her I hope it happens in that sense. I can't stand Zoe & Natasha especially Natasha. She just doesnt do a thing. I think she should have been fired. |
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I'm glad she realises that there are no friends in this process and how one acts towards her at the house or in the task will be totally different in the boardroom.
So I'm glad she had time to realise that without being in any danger of getting fired. I feel she'll act accordingly and start to speak up for herself. It's also a good lesson learnt for her that even though she may feel overly-confident in a task, she needs to be well grounded in her decisions Quote:
I do like Susan because she is not a backstabber. She got it wrong but the selling products face to face to the public is not her thing.
That team felt very clicky with Zoe and her lapdog Helen in charge. Susan and Ellie are my favourites of the women candidates. I think Susan will go to the final four as well. Quote:
Susan will be good at defending herself in the diary room
Lord Sugar: Susan, why shouldn't I fire you? Susan Ma: I've got a brilliant reason, if you got two people in business with each other, like say you're you and I'm me... Lord Sugar: Ok forget it, who should I fire Susan Ma: Well, say I'm me, Natasha's natasha and Zoe's zoe Lord Sugar: What are you talking about Susan? Susan: I don't think I'm explaining it that well Lord Sugar: Ok thats it! I've had enough Susan, you're fired! Susan Ma: That's so unfair! |
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I totally agree.
Natasha and Zoe seem to be the same type of candidate to me, nondescript is a good word to describe them. They concentrate on putting others down to make themselves look good. Natasha is all talk and last night in the boardroom she proved it. She didn't give Felicity any advice on the actual task when Felicity was clearly losing the plot in managing. Zoe made a big song and dance in humiliating Susan in public but didn't get another team member to take over from Susan to sell the fake tan stuff to passers by. There is a lot of game playing in this series. But Karen, Nick and Lord Sugar are wiser and can see through it. However, Zoe was right to raise the point about the advise Susan gave and however savvy to gameplaying Karen and Sir Alan may well be, agreed with the point made(Karen during the tasks and LS at the end with his comments on making a loss). Susan's only got herself to blame because the advise she gave was proven to be wrong and Zoe was right to be more cautious when she had the majority telling her to back Susan's opinion. I don't consider it gameplaying and I don't think Sugar or Brady did either. I think Zoe was right. |
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Susan's only got herself to blame because the advise she gave was proven to be wrong and Zoe was right to be more cautious when she had the majority telling her to back Susan's opinion. I don't consider it gameplaying and I don't think Sugar or Brady did either. I think Zoe was right.
As PM she should have looked for a constructive way to handle the fact that they weren't selling as much as Susan had thought they would, rather than just saying "it's your fault, you know" to Susan. Suggest a different selling strategy, perhaps, or ask Susan what she thinks the difference between this market and the one where she makes her money is and whether there's anything they can do to turn the one in to the other. But the only thing telling Susan off achieves is making sure people know that she's told Susan off. |
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For example, last week she organised her team far better than Gavin did and got some praise from Nick. However, the negotiations of her sub team were the poorest negotiations of the lot
Similarly with the tea. I forget the exact figures, but she got it reduced from £800 or so down to £400 or so. On that occasion she didn't have an alternative supplier so she accepted the deal. The problem was picking the wrong vendor, not knowing what a reasonable price was, and running out of time. The actual negotiation part was OK. |
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It wasnt just the fact she got it wrong but her stubborn refusal to admit she had. She HAD basically said she could sell 60 products on her own and this is the danger with Susan. Its all very well giving out this air of confidence, but you also want someone who realises that the s....t is hitting the fan and being able to admit your mistakes so you can turn it around.
I think Susan is toast despite what others here think. |
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I think she became very defensive under criticism - not surprising given the way it was done. And she could have genuinely forgotten her exact words earlier in the day - I'd forgotten them during the hour long programme, and thought she was being unfairly accused of saying something she hadn't until I read this thread.
I understand why people could think this is what Susan had been alluding to when Helen quoted Susan in the boardroom. However, since having just rewatched the episode I don't think the two sentences of what Susan said and what Helen thought Susan had said was exactly the same (in meaning o intended meaning). Helen (turns to Susan) "your exact words were, I can sell 60 on my own" - (which Susan denies she said there and then in the boardroom). From earlier on in the task what Susan had actually said in response to Zoe on the phone was..... "thats just how much i sell." - (which I think was in ref to the sales she gets on her website and wasn't actually saying that she could sell 60 within this task). Susan has an internet page of her company and the products and is it possible that Susan was naive in thinking that just because she sells 60 odd through her website (where it is not face to face selling) that she could in turn just get those figures via direct selling on the floor in a shopping centre where actual selling skills are needed to sell the products (with no reliance on fancy words and grapics on a slick well presented website). I get the impression Susan doesn't even sell face to face on a regular basis. |
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Someone earlier said She HAD basically said she could sell 60 products on her own.
I understand why people could think this is what Susan had been alluding to when Helen quoted Susan in the boardroom. However, since having just rewatched the episode I don't think the two sentences of what Susan said and what Helen thought Susan had said was exactly the same (in meaning o intended meaning). Helen (turns to Susan) "your exact words were, I can sell 60 on my own" - (which Susan denies she said there and then in the boardroom). From earlier on in the task what Susan had actually said in response to Zoe on the phone was..... "thats just how much i sell." - (which I think was in ref to the sales she gets on her website and wasn't actually saying that she could sell 60 within this task). Susan has an internet page of her company and the products and is it possible that Susan was naive in thinking that just because she sells 60 odd through her website (where it is not face to face selling) that she could in turn just get those figures via direct selling on the floor in a shopping centre where actual selling skills are needed to sell the products (with no reliance on fancy words and grapics on a slick well presented website). I get the impression Susan doesn't even sell face to face on a regular basis. I think Susan is quite good at face to face selling. She did well selling on the first task. She didn't do so well here, but I'm not clear that anyone else in that part of the team did any better. |
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She didn't do so well here, but I'm not clear that anyone else in that part of the team did any better.
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I thought from episode one she might be the females target, shame shes the only intresting one out of the women
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there must be some substance to Susan and she is one of the leading candidates IMO but she needs to do some more graft to continue to get the support of Nick, LS and Karren. she organised her team well, which is more than most do.
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I loved the look that Karen shot her as she was wailing that "nobody up here's got any money!"
If looks could have killed, at that moment, Susan's performance in the boardroom would have been academic. |
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I loved the look that Karen shot her as she was wailing that "nobody up here's got any money!"
If looks could have killed, at that moment, Susan's performance in the boardroom would have been academic. |
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I thought from episode one she might be the females target, shame shes the only intresting one out of the women
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Week in and week out, this girl opens her mouth and let's her belly rumble. Whether she has a website purporting to be a business or not is neither here nor there. She hasn't demonstrated a great deal to back up her claims and comes across to me as incredibly immature.
As PM her team won by default. I was very surprised by how poor the PM for the other team was. Shocking all round that week really. |
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