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#276 |
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Yes, it is 5:15am. Yes, I am still trying to get this to work. Yes, I am very, very close to never again attempting to install Linux in any form.
I'm currently running Fedora 15 which has resorted to fallback mode because Gnome 3 wouldn't load. It ran 100% perfectly fine without any drivers installed. I used this guide to install the drivers for my new card. When I rebooted, I had a large, glitchy triangular shape on the screen and it was clearly the wrong resolution. http://gofedora.com/how-to-install-a...omment-page-1/ That's when it went into fallback mode. Ubuntu and Linux Mint would both install but when I rebooted, the machine froze on the "Verifying DMI Status" or whatever it was, so I couldn't even attempt anything because it wouldn't even boot into the system. So I re-installed Windows just to re-install one of the other ones. Again. I think i've re-installed Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora at least 3 times each tonight. So clearly i'm massively stupid because it really shouldn't be this hard, should it ? Why do you have to keep doing it manually?As you have said in you're previous post the wizard just does it all for you, and it works? ![]() And why did you have to re install windows to try another linux version, after you're system locked up? Can't you just reboot from the live cd\dvd and re install from that?
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#277 |
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You could always stop installing the proprietary drivers. The opensource ones are installed by default and are perfectly adequate for most uses (excluding high-end games).
I'm using a motherboard with an integrated Radeon HD4250 with Linux Mint Debian Edition tracking Debian stable so i believe it's using the r600c old-style opensource driver rather than the better r600g opensource one, and everything works perfectly. I even played Osmos for a while with no problems. Newer distros should use the r600g driver and should have no problems even with the Gnome-shell stuff. |
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#278 |
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Why do you have to keep doing it manually?Don't ask me why. Seriously ![]() Quote:
As you have said in you're previous post the wizard just does it all for you, and it works?
![]() I actually now realise that, for whatever reason, it was the display set at the maximum resolution of 1600x1200 and my monitor can only display 1440x900. Anyway, as it currently stands, I re-installed Mint (again) and it actually made it past "DMI Status" in the initial boot. I used the wizard to install the driver, and when it rebooted I reset the resolution in the catalyst driver and it was fine. I know this sounds weird, but it doesn't "feel" right ![]() Maybe because when it boots up, the screen has the odd flicker here and there, i dunno, or maybe it's just complete lack of sleep ![]() Anyway, I've installed a 3D FPS Shooter as a test and that runs fine (and VERY fast as well..) so I thought "Balls to it" and i'm now installing Gnome 3. I shall report back shortly when it's done .. |
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#279 |
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well the fact I'm typing this on my mobile should tell you how that went.
last throw of the dice I think. currently reformatting back to windows and I'll download opensuse. if that doesn't work then I'm done. |
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#280 |
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I used this guide to install the drivers for my new card. When I rebooted, I had a large, glitchy triangular shape on the screen and it was clearly the wrong resolution.
http://gofedora.com/how-to-install-a...omment-page-1/ That's when it went into fallback mode. Even a quick Google can't demystify that for me.You should only need to add the RPMFusion repository to Fedora to get the up to date AMD or Nvidia drivers. Fedora can be a bit tricky for new users though. |
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#281 |
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i'm starting to wonder actually if the graphics card is buggered. was reformatting back to windows and, rather unsurprisingly, fell asleep
.woke up, turned the machine back on and it took forever to come up. was 'preparing desktop' for ages then eventually booted that up. tried to run IE and that froze and stopped responding. i rebooted and it did the same thing - just moved at an incredibly slow pace and anything i clicked took an age to respond. kicked it, rebooted again and it's running a tad quicker now so i'm now downloading opensuse. good job i bought a new pack of blank dvd's yesterday
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#282 |
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booted up suse and the screen was just a complete graphical mess. it was completely unusable.
it's weird really because everything is running so slowly and my brain is also running slowly due to no sleep, its this weird Zen like state ![]() just putting fedora back on then going out for some air. the sadist in me wants to keep trying for the full 24 hours. heh ![]() if anyone reads this in the next 10 minutes and can tell me EXACTLY what to add and where in fedora for the drivers then I'd be grateful. just bear in mind I'm pretty out of it at the moment
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#283 |
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booted up suse and the screen was just a complete graphical mess. it was completely unusable.
it's weird really because everything is running so slowly and my brain is also running slowly due to no sleep, its this weird Zen like state ![]() just putting fedora back on then going out for some air. the sadist in me wants to keep trying for the full 24 hours. heh ![]() if anyone reads this in the next 10 minutes and can tell me EXACTLY what to add and where in fedora for the drivers then I'd be grateful. just bear in mind I'm pretty out of it at the moment ![]() Why do you keep reformatting to Windows? Why don't you just stick with something really reliable such as Pinguy? Or Ubuntu? Or Mint? I know its fun trying new distros, but its only fun if you have a spare PC to do it with, not your main PC! lol. You're gonna have no hair left!!! Mark
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#284 |
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Fedora should work for you straight out of the box, as should everything else you have run!!!
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Perhaps it is your graphics card?
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Why do you keep reformatting to Windows?
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Why don't you just stick with something really reliable such as Pinguy? Or Ubuntu? Or Mint?
This all just makes me fed up because i'm really not a moron. I've worked in IT long enough to be able to know what i'm doing but this just makes me feel like an idiot. Anyway, i'm currently running Fedora 15 without having installed the ATI drivers. I'm now going to download and install them from the ATI website. I fully expect it not to work and to go to fallback mode, so when it does I think we'll just call it a day as I really don't have the energy or the inclanation to go round all this all over again. |
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But they don't
![]() I don't know. It works 100% fine on Windows. Install drivers, reboot, change resolution to 1440x900 and job done. As I said above, every time i tried something and it froze on the "verifying DMI" thing, if i then went to something else that also froze. The only way it didn't seem to do that is if i went to another distro via windows. Because I want a Gnome 3 desktop. I really like the look of it and I want to run it as my main desktop. This all just makes me fed up because i'm really not a moron. I've worked in IT long enough to be able to know what i'm doing but this just makes me feel like an idiot. Anyway, i'm currently running Fedora 15 without having installed the ATI drivers. I'm now going to download and install them from the ATI website. I fully expect it not to work and to go to fallback mode, so when it does I think we'll just call it a day as I really don't have the energy or the inclanation to go round all this all over again. If the big distros aren't yet including it - that's probably a sign it's not quite ready. Might be better to wait until it does become part of the stock installations of the big distros - at least then you'll know it's more ready. Especially if you're a beginner in the linux world it's better to stick with what the big desktop focused distros provide for you - they choose the packages and the defaults they do for a reason. |
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Especially if you're a beginner in the linux world it's better to stick with what the big desktop focused distros provide for you - they choose the packages and the defaults they do for a reason.
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This sums up my luck quite well actually. Driver is actually now installed and working and i've got it set at 1440x900.
BUT .. The top bar is glitching because it's half white, half black. I need to access the catalyst control centre as root to change it around. Do I have the superuser version on the menu to run ? Do I now have to search for what the control centre is actualyl called to run it as root in the terminal ? What do you think?
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Anyway, i'm currently running Fedora 15 without having installed the ATI drivers.
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#289 |
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And is Gnome-shell working? The opensource drivers should be perfectly capable of running it and Fedora would have already set them up for you.
I've also just worked out how to run the Catalyst Control Centre as root, but i'm currently puzzling over why the top graphics bar is half black, half white. If I can solve that, it's all gravy
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#290 |
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Gnome 3 isn't quite ready for production systems quite yet from my understanding. Like all the problems people had when KDE 4.0 first appeared - it's going to take a while for it to fully stabilise and become mainstream.
I remember the nightmare of the KDE4.0 launch. I tried it and it was just a bloody mess. Didn't go back to it until last year. The Gnome team had at least the good grace to release a finished item with Gnome 3.
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Ok, here I am with the "epilogue".
To cut a long story short, I found out that the graphical glitch in the black menu bar in Fedora is a known bug with ATI drivers, and one that ATI apparently don't seem too fussed about. Although another site I read suggested it could be fixed in the next driver release. So basically it would never have worked. Anyway, i'm going to keep the Fedora DVD and keep an eye on the driver situation. When it's available, i'll look to give it a go, providing i can find some evidence it works and gives you the proper graphics. Until such a point arrives, it's windows all the way .. bedtime. At last
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I'm somewhat surprised that the ATI card isn't proving a better experience, but on balance I'm at least glad you've gone to bed!
![]() When you feel the inclination to mess about again, you could try the open source variant of the ATI driver rather than the proprietary one I suppose...? It's supposed to be improving all the time, and is at least worth keeping an eye on as you say. I'm hoping the open source Nvidia driver improves myself. Anyway, have a nice kip.
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I did have a nice kip thanks. 6 hours, straight through
![]() I did actually mean the open source drivers in my last post. |
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I did have a nice kip thanks. 6 hours, straight through
![]() I did actually mean the open source drivers in my last post. ![]() Try the proprietary one...? Or nuts to it. You've shown more patience than I would have.
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I've just installed ubuntu but I do I map my nas drive in the GUI?
Also what can I use as DLNA client software? I can't find anything in the repository. |
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I've just installed ubuntu but I do I map my nas drive in the GUI?
"File/Connect to Server". Select the type from the drop-down (probably "Windows share"), enter the server name or IP, the name of the share goes in the "Folder" box, click the "Add a Bookmark" checkbox and give it a name. The bookmark will appear in the file browser sidebar. Clicking on it will mount the share and give you access. You may have to enter a username/password when connecting; you can save this for automatic use in the future. Quote:
Also what can I use as DLNA client software? I can't find anything in the repository.
I'm not sure what Ubuntu is now using for a media player but if it's still Totem there is a plugin that gives DLNA access. It's called "totem-coherence". Simply enter that into your software centre and install it. VLC also supports DLNA, and there's XBMC if you want a media centre experience.
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I have a couple of new updates to my Linux blog Here for the weekly roundup and Here for my iPod and Linux guide. I hope some of you find these interesting and handy, hopefully it will become a useful resource before too long!
Would some of you mind if I use some of your experiences with Linux that you have talked about on this thread in future articles I might right? Mark
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I've been following and occasionally posted.
Gave up on Pinguy. Installed ok. But you mentioned the crashes in your blog. I found them. Thought it was 64 bit with VMWAre. But also crashed with 32 bit. A search in FF or something simple and it went sometimes. Often enuf to say enuf. I am quite liking Ubuntu 11.04 32 bit in VMW and 64 bit native. (disabled screen lock password). I don't get the sidebar in VM (my hardware does not support), but all OK from CD/DVD. And also I see Puppy 528 is available, works OK in VM (horrible grey desktop, but it's lean and mean, change desktop).(option now for 1366x768!!) Maybe a Beta. 525 is last stable. Yet to try from a CD, and XFCE looks interesting for my old laptop, but not had enough time to Google. Compaq CQ61 Laptop AMDII Dual, Integrated, Graphics, 15.6" 3GB, 250GB I generally try Linux for fun, accessing difficult websites, coping with file permissions, partitions and speed. Even with VMWare, many disrtos, if they boot, are plenty fast enough. I like VM because I can quickly switch without rebooting. I only like Windows cos' I know where every thing is and how to do stuff. |
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Would some of you mind if I use some of your experiences with Linux that you have talked about on this thread in future articles I might right?
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If you really want to write about me staying up all night and trying for nearly 20 hours straight to get a Gnome 3 desktop working properly then go right ahead
![]() http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1517352 then you can catch up on you're sleep :yawn:
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