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Old 26-11-2011, 21:32
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ignore me .. installed mint 12 now .. doh !
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Old 27-11-2011, 06:14
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Ive just installed pinguy 11.10 beta that was recently released.
Lovely distro, very laiden with apps, runs lightning fast and the default theme is very well laid out.
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Old 27-11-2011, 06:16
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I have a new machine that i need to remote desktop into, if its mac or windows I usually use logmein, but not available for linux.
So what sort of vnc or other do people use, this will be ubuntu based?
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Old 27-11-2011, 10:24
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Try "Teamviewer for Linux" and/or "Tight VNC on Ubuntu".

I use both, and LogMeIn. But in Windows, so I can't offer any Ubuntu/Mac install/connection advice further than these links

http://www.zimbio.com/Linux/articles...buntu+Tutorial

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
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Old 27-11-2011, 11:37
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Ive just installed pinguy 11.10 beta that was recently released.
Lovely distro, very laiden with apps, runs lightning fast and the default theme is very well laid out.
Yes pinguy's my favourite. I've been using 11.04 for a few months now .... great os.
Have you tried zorin another good distro imo very similar to pinguy.
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Old 27-11-2011, 11:40
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Try "Teamviewer for Linux" and/or "Tight VNC on Ubuntu".

I use both, and LogMeIn. But in Windows, so I can't offer any Ubuntu/Mac install/connection advice further than these links

http://www.zimbio.com/Linux/articles...buntu+Tutorial

http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
Teamviewer looks good, very similar to logmein and is installed by default, will use that i think.
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Old 27-11-2011, 17:44
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OK, installed Linux Mint 12.

Anyone tell me how to put shortcut icons onto the desktop? Easy in mint 11, just right click and select 'Desktop shortcut'. That doesnt work anymore. Bloody stupid.

No startup manager either. Installed it, selected my Windows boot as default option, and it wont remember the setting.

Not a good start at all.
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Old 27-11-2011, 18:22
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The shift to Gnome 3 is massive for every single distro out there. They're all going to struggle until they find their feet. Why the Linux geeks (no reference to anyone here) thought Mint would be unaffected is beyond me. Though I haven't tried it yet, the video reviews on Youtube don't paint a pretty picture imho. It's pretty ugly to look at, and very buggy. Why does it need both the Shell menu and the MintMenu? Couldn't they have disabled the Shell menu if they were going for the MintMenu?

I'm sure they'll figure it out, just as the Ubuntu lot have, but it'll be a bumpy road for any Gnome 3 distro imo. Though I like it very much indeed, users at large just don't seem to be going for it.

Anyway I've had a fun weekend. Re-installing Windows 7 - blimey what a chore! Five hours - five hours! - to get all the updates and the service pack, endless rebooting, and you have to be present in case something needs user input. Gah! Still, it's done now and I was keen to get it all up to date and take a nice, clean clone image of it, so as to save me doing this all over again down the line.

Decided after that to install openSUSE 12.1 KDE version as my secondary Linux, and I am absolutely loving it. KDE 4.7 is simply stunning. Was starting to be a little bored with PCLinuxOS, though I'll pick that up again later no doubt when it goes 64 bit. Lots of faffing about, missus not happy, but thank God for A) Clonezilla, and B) sudo update-grub2.
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Old 27-11-2011, 18:24
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OK, installed Linux Mint 12.

Anyone tell me how to put shortcut icons onto the desktop? Easy in mint 11, just right click and select 'Desktop shortcut'. That doesnt work anymore. Bloody stupid.

No startup manager either. Installed it, selected my Windows boot as default option, and it wont remember the setting.

Not a good start at all.
Thats the main problem with Gnome3\Unity you can customize it, thats why i and many others

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ey_part4&num=1

Don't like it, they really need to make some changes to it, and soon!

Mint LXDE may be more familiar to you
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1802 its a version of what i use now.
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Old 27-11-2011, 18:47
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Anyway I've had a fun weekend. Re-installing Windows 7 - blimey what a chore! Five hours - five hours! - to get all the updates and the service pack, endless rebooting, and you have to be present in case something needs user input. Gah!
Yes its painful, compared to a linux install
Only way is to get a preinstalled sp1 install disc to reduce the updates and reboots.
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Old 27-11-2011, 19:03
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Yes its painful, compared to a linux install
Only way is to get a preinstalled sp1 install disc to reduce the updates and reboots.
It is. I suppose in its defence it has been out for 2 years now and it's inevitable there'd be a good few updates. I was just very happy the whole process went cleanly and nicely (I've had previous with Windows Updates), and I got a smashing clone now. Was amazed that the final default install size came to just under 25Gb! I had only at this point installed Microsoft updates to the OS, no extra software or favourite applications. That is a massive install.

Not the place to say it but I do like Windows 7. The security is so much better, what with UAC and the password system for admin use. Still prefer me 'Bunt though.
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Old 27-11-2011, 19:34
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Thats the main problem with Gnome3\Unity you can customize it, thats why i and many others

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ey_part4&num=1

Don't like it, they really need to make some changes to it, and soon!

Mint LXDE may be more familiar to you
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1802 its a version of what i use now.
Thanks for the advice. As I use Windows as default, I will wait until an LXDE version of Mint 12 comes out, it usually doesnt take too long until after the original release.
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Old 27-11-2011, 19:37
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and I got a smashing clone now.
Make regular clones or Images.Keep the one you just made. Do you backup the MBR too? (automatic if you Image)

Sorry if 'sucking eggs'
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Old 27-11-2011, 19:59
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Anyway I've had a fun weekend. Re-installing Windows 7 - blimey what a chore! Five hours - five hours! - to get all the updates and the service pack, endless rebooting, and you have to be present in case something needs user input. Gah!
I just installed Windows XP inside Virtualbox this morning. All the patches only required two reboots. Seems Windows is going backwards.

I spent the past couple of days building a new computer and attempting to get Mac OS X to run on it. Snow Leopard went on like a charm and using MultiBeast everything worked perfectly, except for accelerated video. Despite 10.6.8 being able to use Intel's HD 3000 (Sandy Bridge) integrated graphics i just couldn't get it to output via DVI. I could VNC into the Hackintosh and could see that graphics were accelerated, but after messing around for a couple of days still couldn't get it working.

In the end i had to go with Lion and now everything is working perfectly. Unfortunately i'm stuck with Lion (which, IMO, is Apple's Gnome3/Vista), but after shutting off all the bone-headed "features" that can be shut off i'm reasonably pleased.

Going to play with it for a few more days before moving to it full-time and copying my Linux home directory to a virtual machine.
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Old 27-11-2011, 21:05
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Make regular clones or Images.Keep the one you just made. Do you backup the MBR too? (automatic if you Image)

Sorry if 'sucking eggs'
No that's fine. The whole cloning thing is very new to me. Clonezilla seems to back up the MBR automatically, and I don't have to fuss. I just wanted mainly a fresh clean up to date image that I can drop in should I need to. I suppose it's a good idea to make images as you go, but I worry that my installs will be very much bigger over time, and I'll have nowhere big enough to save them!
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Old 27-11-2011, 21:12
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Windows 7 does a good job of imaging your c drive. When I multiboot with linux first thing I do is make an image of w7 on an external hard drive, then if it goes wrong I can re-image windows.
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Old 27-11-2011, 21:21
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If you made an Image, it's not unknown to get corrupted, that's all.
Best to keep two.

If you cloned all files and folders, probably less critical. A corrupt file can be replaced probably.

In any event, restoring a clean OS+all updates and nothing else, would still be a major rebuild.
If you always have a recent backup/image/clone it's easier.

I have a thing about peoples backup's. Probably due to all the "Help!!!" threads.
There, I've said my piece. Carry on

Except, for now just seeing Kevz post.

Rely on W7 Imaging only if you must.

Recommended are Easeus Todo, Macrium, Paragon (all free), Acronis (trial/pay)
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Old 27-11-2011, 21:55
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Yes I agree it's best not to rely on just one back up. I've got a basic acronis which I got free when I bought an ssd drive a few months ago which is quite good if a bit basic. The only other I've used is clonezilla usually for transferring linux o/s's to bigger hard drives. But I'll definitely check out the free ones.
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Old 27-11-2011, 23:09
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Tried out Arch Linux to get someone else's laptop back working after a virus really did a number to it, and I have to say, although there is a learning curve to get round and a few hiccups on the way (my fault), it worked really well. Seems to tick many of the boxes of what I said I was looking for earlier in the week.

Now to trial it out on my laptop when I get time - the Arch User Repository and finding a way to get all packages from the main repositories and the AUR packages to update painlessly will be the main thing to find, I'd like to keep on top of Chromium development.
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Old 28-11-2011, 23:17
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You still getting on with it OK, Y Me?
I am but have a better spec laptop and desktop so the old 'un is on ebay now.
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Old 28-11-2011, 23:21
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Yes that is an old motherboard, but a resonable spec, it should run okay with windows 7, but I have found also that ubuntu (or other linux distros) run much smoother, and yes does tend to find the drivers very easily whereas windows 7 does not, even though it says searching online for them and never finds.

Last week I installed win 7 on someones laptop, it had ethernet and sound drivers missing, and had a microsoft webcam that instaled with no driver. I put ubuntu on it and hey presto, faultless.
Whatever I tried it would not run IE9 although it was ok on Chrome. Used to take an age to boot up and shut down.
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Old 30-11-2011, 12:32
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I installed Mint 12 yesterday and although the menu system takes a bit of getting used to (it does seem like change just for its own sake), I'll stick with it.
The only things I can't find are screensavers. They don't seem to shown in any of the menus. Anyone know how to find them?
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Old 30-11-2011, 13:07
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There are no screensavers in Gnome 3. They reckon it's because there's no need for them nowadays, and it just locks the screen instead, which essentially does the same thing.

Well, I've had a very interesting couple of weeks really. I don't think I've distro hopped so much in quite some time. Blame the new DE's! I decided, after really enjoying KDE on openSUSE, to give Kubuntu a shot. Well that was me! Really really lush, so decided to shuffle my distros for hopefully one last time. I now have Kubuntu 11.10 as my secondary OS, and openSUSE 12.1 Gnome as my main one. I suppose ultimately after really spending time with all the different DE's, in the end I just preferred Gnome 3 with it's own shell. Unity is really nice, but Gnome Shell is just better imho, for lots of different reasons, chiefly the workspaces are handled much better, and the overall desktop idea feels finished and better designed.
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Old 30-11-2011, 13:32
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There are no screensavers in Gnome 3. They reckon it's because there's no need for them nowadays, and it just locks the screen instead, which essentially does the same thing.
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Oh well, that's progress I suppose. Pity, there were some rather good ones in Katya.
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Old 30-11-2011, 14:36
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Oh well, that's progress I suppose. Pity, there were some rather good ones in Katya.
Yes there were some lovely openGL demos in there. Ah well, on we go...

In the openSUSE 12.1 repositories they offer the Gnome Faenza icon set, and I've added the Faenza-Darkest set to my desktop. Wow what a tremendous improvement over the default set. If you use Gnome I heartily recommend you look into these icons. I think they are available on Gnome-Look too. I might look into Shell themes and other Gtk3 themes next too. If anyone here can recommend any please do let me know.
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