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Old 10-06-2011, 14:02
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I've been looking for a replacement for Jolicloud on my eeepc701 for a while now. I missed my desktop, even on a small screen!

Inspired by this thread, I installed PCLinuxOS E-17 and it really is great, isn't it? I remember using enlightenment years ago, and felt it was a bit clunky. But it seems to have come on tremendously. Very slick and responsive and highly configurable.
It is indeed really lovely, with the added bonus of being a rolling release, so I don't have to faff about with a fresh install every six months. They have an ISO on their main site, but the maintainer has posted up on the forum with a nice fresh release here, which is the one I installed. Give it a go. The single only issue I have with it it on the lovely Eee 701 is it's a bit slow to boot for some reason, but other than that it's magic.
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:39
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There is a new version of Elementry OS coming out soon, this is supposed to be even faster than the current version. For those who haven't used eOS,

eOS is an elegant and very user friendly distro of Linux and well worth a download.

On another note, I am thinking about getting a website up and running showing people the pros of using Linux of other OS. I have been working on this article which will be my first editorial piece and was wondering if anyone else would like to help me with the site?

Let me know.

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Old 11-06-2011, 14:19
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Folkses with low powered desktops or tiny netbooks (like me) can rejoice, as the rather marvellous Peppermint Linux team have released the equally smashing Peppermint Two. They won't be having two separate editions anymore with the differing browsers etc. Just the single edition, and a complete move to Chromium, which is a much better idea imho.

In spite of how happy I am with PCLinuxOS with E17, I'm downloading this now and I'll try it live on the Eee 701 via USB. The last one was super-fast, and I only removed it because of my distro-hopping OCD at the moment.
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Old 11-06-2011, 16:03
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I only removed it because of my distro-hopping OCD at the moment.
You do know there is no cure for this, you think you have it beaten, you get your desktop just ever so perfect and think thats the one for me.
But in the end you will always give into it and end up trying another Distro.
You're doomed for life now, and fitting several hard drives to you're pc is asking for trouble as you will just keep formatting them all

right, im off to see if my peppermint download has finished
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Old 11-06-2011, 16:11
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You do know there is no cure for this, you think you have it beaten, you get your desktop just ever so perfect and think thats the one for me.
But in the end you will always give into it and end up trying another Distro.
You're doomed for life now, and fitting several hard drives to you're pc is asking for trouble as you will just keep formatting them all

right, im off to see if my peppermint download has finished


I just can't stop, especially when it comes to the Eee. I do stick with them on the desktop, but I keep on messing about with the 701.

Hmm, having a problem with installing from USB. It gets so far and seems to be booting, then I get screenfulls of fast scrolling text which eventually dumps me to a prompt that read (initramfs) and a blinking cursor. This has happened a few times recently. I wonder if Unetbootin is deprecated, or whether my USB Cruzer has had it...
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Old 11-06-2011, 16:12
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And another E17 environment worth checking out. Blindingly fast and beautiful MacPuppy Linux runs on PCs and netbooks with hardly any ram! I run it and it was using less than 40mb RAM!

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Old 11-06-2011, 21:23
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The old computer I would most likely use it on has 256MB RAM and a 40GB hard drive. I got the disk free from a university event
I have an old PC with 512MB RAM that was crawling with XP.

I installed PCLinux (Gnome) after testing the Live CD and the difference is incredible.
It's fast and can apparently run with 256MB RAM.
3G Dongle and Wireless both installed perfectly.

Still tinkering but know not to install FF4.

Tried the new mint LIve CD on the same machine and it kept crashing.

PCLinuxOS has reinvigorated an old machine and I've given a copy to a friend who's going to try it on his old rust-bucket.
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Old 13-06-2011, 10:07
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I don't know if anyone has tried Chakra Linux yet, but there's a new release out now and it looks lovely. Head over here and check it out. I am considering trying it out, it looks that good!

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Old 13-06-2011, 10:34
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Just discovered Zenix Linux off the Ubuntu forums. It's a lightweight, Debian Squeeze based, Buddhist themed OS that uses OpenBox and several low power apps such as Midori, but still features necessary stuff like Flash and VLC. I decided to give it a go on the Eee, as the boot time with PCLinuxOS and E17 was very slow (though this was the only drawback of that system). Trying Zenix live showed immediately that the boot time was better, even running off USB. Having now installed it, it now boots in about 20 seconds, which is stunning imho, though there's only a black screen as it boots up. No graphical splash screen. But that's a fair compromise, as I feel the tiny device should boot quickly like this.

I installed the xorg-synaptics driver and the eee-acpi scripts, and it now feels tailor made for the device. My only complaint is the dark theme, which can make things a little tricky to see with occasional black text on grey backgrounds, but there are alternative themes available and I'll give them a go.

It's by far the fastest OS I've tried yet on our Eee, and I would definitely recommend it to users needing to power low specced systems.
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Old 13-06-2011, 15:09
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Just discovered Zenix Linux off the Ubuntu forums. It's a lightweight, Debian Squeeze based, Buddhist themed OS that uses OpenBox and several low power apps such as Midori, but still features necessary stuff like Flash and VLC. I decided to give it a go on the Eee, as the boot time with PCLinuxOS and E17 was very slow (though this was the only drawback of that system). Trying Zenix live showed immediately that the boot time was better, even running off USB. Having now installed it, it now boots in about 20 seconds, which is stunning imho, though there's only a black screen as it boots up. No graphical splash screen. But that's a fair compromise, as I feel the tiny device should boot quickly like this.

I installed the xorg-synaptics driver and the eee-acpi scripts, and it now feels tailor made for the device. My only complaint is the dark theme, which can make things a little tricky to see with occasional black text on grey backgrounds, but there are alternative themes available and I'll give them a go.

It's by far the fastest OS I've tried yet on our Eee, and I would definitely recommend it to users needing to power low specced systems.
Have you tried MacPup as I mentioned up on the forum earlier? I was running it on a netbook and it was using less than 40MB and flying along! Also makes the netbook look something like a Mac.

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Old 13-06-2011, 16:06
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Have you tried MacPup as I mentioned up on the forum earlier? I was running it on a netbook and it was using less than 40MB and flying along! Also makes the netbook look something like a Mac.

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I'm not a fan of the Puppy series to be honest. I think they're OK as a handy Live CD for some occasions, but I don't enjoy them installed. Zenix is easily better for our Eee. It doesn't have to look like a Mac for me.
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Old 13-06-2011, 21:07
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I've joined the Linux 3.0 club as the kernel packages were uploaded to (K)Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot. The nvidia-current packages didn't play nice (won't recognise kernel versions >2.6) but using xorg-edgers PPA allowed it to work. A little bit on the command line to add said PPA and install the nvidia-current package from them got me back to the KDE desktop.

Yeah, it doesn't take a lot to get me excited.
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Old 13-06-2011, 21:33
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I've joined the Linux 3.0 club as the kernel packages were uploaded to (K)Ubuntu Oneiric Ocelot. The nvidia-current packages didn't play nice (won't recognise kernel versions >2.6) but using xorg-edgers PPA allowed it to work. A little bit on the command line to add said PPA and install the nvidia-current package from them got me back to the KDE desktop.

Yeah, it doesn't take a lot to get me excited.


I knew they were talking about moving to kernel 3.0, but I didn't realise they'd actually done it. Not that it means owt especially.
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Old 14-06-2011, 11:15
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Mark Shuttleworth has said that Canonical are seriously considering dumping Firefox in a future version of Ubuntu, and replacing it with Chrome.

However 11.10 (due in October) is too far down the line for changes now, 12.04 will be a LTS so will not incorporate massive changes, this would make 12.10 a strong possibility. This is on top of the recent adoption of Unity in 11.04 to replace the Gnome 2 desktop by default, and may be a contentious decision. Firefox would still be available in the repositories for those who wish to continue using it.
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Old 14-06-2011, 17:27
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I don't see the problem with Firefox, so I'm a bit confused by this. Chrome is fast, particularly on Linux and I do use it a lot, but I don't think it does anything else especially better than FF. I'd be more interested to hear Mark say they've sorted the Nvidia bugs that prevent logging in and fixed the random theme changes, and no doubt a whole other rafter of basic usability bugs that others have reported, before fretting about their default browser. Or Unity, for that matter. I don't see the point keep adding new sexy features to a buggy base.

There. I've said it.
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Old 14-06-2011, 18:34
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Fedora 16 file changes

http://digitizor.com/2011/06/09/fedora-16-btrfs/

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
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Old 14-06-2011, 19:13
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One good way of checking out and multi booting various distros is to use a usb stick. I used to use unetbooting for this but have recently tried Yumi (just google the words Yumi Linux) and have found it easier and more reliable. I've successfully installed and booted off one 8gb stick up to date versions of the following .
Knoppix,PCLinuxOS,Trinity Rescue Kit,Puppy Linux,Linux Mint 10/11,Offline NT Password + Reg Editor
Hiren's Boot CD,SnowL1nux.
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Old 14-06-2011, 21:38
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I've been trying YUMI and XBOOT over last two days.

Puppy 525, Ubuntu 11.04, Mint 11,
+some utility isos.
(my laptop 15.6" 1366x768 panel is not plug'n'play - Puppy is a bit flaky with xorgwizard, hit and miss. No chance of getting PCLinuxOS or Zenix installed.
Ubuntu and Mint are fine. (Mint does look crisp!)


Puppy can't find lupusave in YUMI no matter where I specify it is saved (should be root or 1 deep max).
It is fine in XBOOT though. Actually I prefer XBOOT I think.

Don't like 30 sec boot timer on YUMI either and it hangs if it goes to my main drive.
Don't allow spaces in iso filenames or it crashes too.
Enter Grub4DOS and I can't get out.

Anyway, as I say XBOOT does the business for me.

Haven't worked out how to get Ubuntu and Mint persistent.
Was thinking of getting them persistent as single boots with unetbootin and casper, and remaking that as iso.
Would that work? Or is there an easier/proper way?

Compaq CQ61 laptop here.
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Old 14-06-2011, 21:39
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http://www.pendrivelinux.com/xboot-m...o-usb-creator/
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Old 15-06-2011, 16:08
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One good way of checking out and multi booting various distros is to use a usb stick. I used to use unetbooting for this but have recently tried Yumi (just google the words Yumi Linux) and have found it easier and more reliable. I've successfully installed and booted off one 8gb stick up to date versions of the following .
Knoppix,PCLinuxOS,Trinity Rescue Kit,Puppy Linux,Linux Mint 10/11,Offline NT Password + Reg Editor
Hiren's Boot CD,SnowL1nux.
I tend to just try out different versions of Linux in VirtualBox. If I like it then I put it to CD-RW or DVD-RW and take it from there. I've never tried from a USB sick.

As for Ubuntu not using Firefox as a standard, we'll wait and see if this happens. The thing is, it's so easy to add and delete applications it doesn't really matter what they use as a default browser.

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Old 15-06-2011, 20:04
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Don't get me wrong, I love Chrome/Chromium to bits. I'm using it right now and I love the speed of it. I also added the Adwaita Gnome 3 Chrome theme so it fits beautifully with my desktop settings.

Perhaps a browser select screen would be a good idea..
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Old 16-06-2011, 09:18
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Adobe Air support for Linux being dropped

We will no longer be releasing our own versions of Adobe AIR and the AIR SDK for desktop Linux, but expect that one or more of our partners will do so. The last Adobe release of AIR for desktop Linux is AIR 2.6.
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2...n-devices.html

Doesn't BBC iPlayer for Linux depend on this?
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Old 16-06-2011, 09:28
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Adobe Air support for Linux being dropped



http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2...n-devices.html

Doesn't BBC iPlayer for Linux depend on this?
I read about this yesterday. I've never used it on Linux or Windows so I won't miss it.

Whats more, from OMGUbuntu.com... "But all is not entirely lost; Adobe will be providing a “Linux porting kit” for Air for their Open Screen Project partners who can take it upon themselves create and build their own implementations of Air on Linux." So not all bad news.

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Old 18-06-2011, 17:05
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I just want to recommend UMPlayer for all you Linux users. I'm using it as the default media player now, and it plays absolutely everything.

Whats more, it has a Youtube and Shoutcast search which is really cool, and Youtube videos play full-screen and at full speed with no problems at all (for some reason my 11.04 updated last week and screwed my flash video for full-screen).

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Old 18-06-2011, 21:24
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I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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