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I agree with a lot of what Stallman says. He's talking about improving society. Unfortunately, society just wants to play games.
Christ, have you seen what they're doing to Nautilus, the file manager in Gnome? Features are being hacked away, to enable it to fit the tablet/mobile paradigm. Personally, I think the Gnome team has lost the plot. I don't really have a problem with Gnome 3 generally, but removing functionality like this is crazy. Maybe in ten years when I've done away with my clumsy old desktop PC then yeah, but right now? Mental. |
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Yeah, I saw that. Too many developers are focusing less on functionality and more on mobile platforms. I hate that, I want a desktop OS/application to be fit for desktop with all the features I want to use. If they want to develop a separate version for tablets etc, that is fine but don't make them one and the same.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19065082
Giving consumers what they want is unethical? Also how are non free games unethical? Then again, a lot of his views have always been fairly fanatical. Also what the hell is wrong with society wanting to play games?
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Yeah, I saw that. Too many developers are focusing less on functionality and more on mobile platforms. I hate that, I want a desktop OS/application to be fit for desktop with all the features I want to use. If they want to develop a separate version for tablets etc, that is fine but don't make them one and the same.
There was a day when linux users could actually code themselves and contributed to the community. Now it seems people just want an OS for free with out contributing themselves |
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Sorry but i thought the great thing about linux was that it was open source, and if you didn't like it you could write it how you want it?
There was a day when linux users could actually code themselves and contributed to the community. Now it seems people just want an OS for free with out contributing themselves |
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Sorry but i thought the great thing about linux was that it was open source, and if you didn't like it you could write it how you want it?
There was a day when linux users could actually code themselves and contributed to the community. Now it seems people just want an OS for free with out contributing themselves |
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To be honest you do not have to look hard to come across this point of view in the Linux world. Many long term users of Linux find the current trend of attempting to attract regular users distasteful and counter-productive. Perhaps I can understand it, after all who wants demanding users trampling all over your hobby? I think perhaps if Linux distros only want users who can code, then they should do everyone a favour and say so on your main web page, so us plebs will know clearly to stay away and use something else. It works for Fedora.
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I didn't mean to come across all ranting as much as i may have then.
I'm in two minds tbh, i can see both sides. It just winds me up a bit when people winge about stuff they buy, and i just think stop buying the bloody product then. But when its free, how dare people winge about it when it was free. People have worked hard implementing this stuff, and it might be for the fun of it (as a hobby), but you didn't have to install it did you? In a paid society, developers make what people will buy and play. In a free society, developers make what developers want to make, often driven buy what people want to play. Both these paid and free societies are actually just simple economic models. I aint no economist, i'm a games programmer, but it doesn't stop it being true. I make games that sell, and games that get downloaded for free on mobile platforms. |
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The thing I take issue with is when people like Stallman come out with things like this. Quote:
"Non-free game programs (like other non-free programs) are unethical because they deny freedom to their users," he wrote on his blog. The who idea of computing and networking is to make one's life easier by using a computer in what ever way you see fit. It shouldn't matter what type of software is used if it does what the user needs.
"If you want freedom, one requisite for it is not having non-free programs on your computer. |
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Is anyone else following the Elementary OS project? I have been eagerly awaiting the Luna release for a while now and anticipation just keeps building
![]() It's nice to see that the developers are taking their time to get things right but, my God, the waiting is torture
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The thing I take issue with is when people like Stallman come out with things like this. "Non-free game programs (like other non-free programs) are unethical because they deny freedom to their users,"
The who idea of computing and networking is to make one's life easier by using a computer in what ever way you see fit. It shouldn't matter what type of software is used if it does what the user needs. Where much of one's day to day work still can not be done in a completely open source environment, the only alternatives are to use proprietary stuff, or achieve less. |
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We now have a Unity lens that helps us access Pirate Bay
![]() http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/u...y-for-uk-users |
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At the risk of upsetting some of us here: Linux Mint forks Nautilus into Nemo.
Now I'm using KDE, so you won't find me with any complaints, but for the Gnome fans - is this a good thing? What on earth is happening? My personal feeling is that this constant forking of Gnome 3 components is a waste of time. Gnome is no longer aimed at desktops, hence the removing of functionality to fit smaller portable devices. These things do not fit the mobile/tablet touchscreens they are aiming at running on. So with this in mind, why make work for yourself forking bits and bobs of Gnome? I don't get it. Why not just switch to whatever is doing it right for you, such as XFCE or MATE or KDE or whatever? Why the need to shoehorn Gnome into something it isn't designed to fit any more? Is this not too much like hard, and mostly unnecessary work? Ay dear. Funny times for Gnome indeed... |
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I Dropped Gnome when Gnome3 and variants started to appear. Guessed it would all turn into a big mix up, and seems it is.
http://www.osnews.com/story/26227/GN...nto_the_abyss_ Mint seem to me, to be taking a big gamble with all this customizing of Gnome. At least the likes of kde xfce etc are getting more publicity
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Does all this mean I'm going to have to buy another computer from Linux Emporium and dump my netbook? Currently running preinstalled 10.04.4LTS on it - and if t's all being screwed up.. I hope these functional changes are stopped by the Ubuntu release Managers...
I wouldn't know how to change OSs safely - I bought all my kit preinstalled... and just accepted the updates as they come down.. always used the Ubuntu repos... |
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Does all this mean I'm going to have to buy another computer from Linux Emporium and dump my netbook? Currently running preinstalled 10.04.4LTS on it - and if t's all being screwed up.. I hope these functional changes are stopped by the Ubuntu release Managers...
I wouldn't know how to change OSs safely - I bought all my kit preinstalled... and just accepted the updates as they come down.. always used the Ubuntu repos... |
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Blatant bump as its slow on the Linux news front
This is amazing, a complete OS http://macpup.org/ Using 164MB ![]() ![]() Just released |
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Blatant bump as its slow on the Linux news front
This is amazing, a complete OS http://macpup.org/ Using 164MB ![]() ![]() Just released |
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164Mb!! Enlightenment never ceases to amaze.
Or are you waiting for the release of KDE 5
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Hmm ... see youre profile says youre back on Ubuntu, thought you had converted to KDE?
Or are you waiting for the release of KDE 5 ![]() Decided it's silly going back and forth, so installed Gnome 3 from the Gnome Team PPA, Cinnamon from the PPA, and also have Unity and KDE too. There, problem solved, and if fickleness rears it's head, as it no doubt will, it won't involve a re-install. I'm using Cinnamon at the moment though. I just can't settle on one desktop!
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We've just lost Blinkbox - they're going over to Silverlight...
Oh - this is bloody unfair - BLINKBOX now locking out Linux users Hi folks, got the following email from Blinkbox... Dear Alex, Here at blinkbox, we’re always trying hard to deliver the best movie experience for our customers. As part of this we wanted to let you know that from the 28th August we are switching from Adobe Flash Player to a new video player called Microsoft Silverlight when you use blinkbox.com on your computer. We believe this will provide you with a better movie service, because: • Silverlight will improve the viewing experience for our PC and Mac users • It will deliver a ‘smooth streaming’ video service, meaning a higher quality picture for you • It provides greater security than Flash against piracy, ensuring we can continue to show you great movies and TV shows. You will probably already have a version of Silverlight installed on your computer, but if not you will need to install new software from the Microsoft website. Alternatively, simply follow the onscreen instructions when you visit blinkbox.com from the 28th August. If you do get stuck or have any questions then please feel free to contact us at support@blinkbox.com. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause you, but we really think it’s worth it and hope that you continue to enjoy great movie experiences at blinkbox. Kind regards, Michael Comish CEO, blinkbox I've emailed them back, asking.. hi folks, I'm disappointed to hear about your changes - does this mean I can no longer test or play content on my Linux equipment? Will my LG 32LV550T-ZC TV still be supported? Please reconsider - as you are locking linux users out of your platform. --- This is bloody sick.. |
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What happened to the Linux equivalent, Moonlight?
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What happened to the Linux equivalent, Moonlight?
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#1225 |
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XPenguins
Shame this isnt still being worked on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWDEmgt9qY http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-...r-windows.html http://xpenguins.seul.org/ Just loaded it and its great fun
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