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#101 |
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I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. |
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#102 |
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Bloody hell mate! As if we aren't aware of GNU and the FSF.
![]() The idea of calling it Linux is just a way to shorten the name. Linux causes enough issues on its own, with people mispronouncing it. Going around referring to it as GNU slash Linux would cause even more problems!
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If you have a browser that supports HTML5 video, Youtube appears to work quite a bit better on Linux with the HTML5 opt-in, as Flash appears to struggle with full-screen video playback with the Linux display driver architecture. Youtube's HTML5 support *is* experimental, but work trying ... http://www.youtube.com/html5. Needs FF 4, Opera 10.6 or later. Also works with recent versions of Chrome on Linux.
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If you have a browser that supports HTML5 video, Youtube appears to work quite a bit better on Linux with the HTML5 opt-in, as Flash appears to struggle with full-screen video playback with the Linux display driver architecture. Youtube's HTML5 support *is* experimental, but work trying ... http://www.youtube.com/html5. Needs FF 4, Opera 10.6 or later. Also works with recent versions of Chrome on Linux.
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sorry meant to say it is WORTH trying (typo). It appears the HTML5 flag is stored in a local cookie on each browser, ie not on the Youtube account settings, so you can have Firefox using Flash and Chrome using HTML5. Need to stress again it's experimental.
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If you have a browser that supports HTML5 video, Youtube appears to work quite a bit better on Linux with the HTML5 opt-in, as Flash appears to struggle with full-screen video playback with the Linux display driver architecture. Youtube's HTML5 support *is* experimental, but work trying ... http://www.youtube.com/html5. Needs FF 4, Opera 10.6 or later. Also works with recent versions of Chrome on Linux.
How could it not be? Anything's better than Flash!
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And - if you don't like the HTML5 version of Youtube, just opt back out via the same link in post 103.
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I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. I read the entire post in his voice. |
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Maurice Moss, is that you?
I read the entire post in his voice. ![]() "Ploppers!" |
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![]() "Ploppers!" Mark
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Maurice Moss, is that you?
I read the entire post in his voice.
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I've only just recently discovered The Big Bang Theory. I wasn't sure at first (same as I was with IT Crowd), but boy has it grown on me. I'm completely smitten with it. Sheldon is a genius creation. Spock in comic form!
On topic, does anyone here know where to get the latest Crunchbang Linux as a direct download? I can only find torrents... |
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On topic, does anyone here know where to get the latest Crunchbang Linux as a direct download? I can only find torrents...
Mark
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Bloody hell mate! As if we aren't aware of GNU and the FSF.
![]() The idea of calling it Linux is just a way to shorten the name. Linux causes enough issues on its own, with people mispronouncing it. Going around referring to it as GNU slash Linux would cause even more problems! ![]() When the GNU software plays a minor role, the GNU title would also play a minor role. When there is no GNU software, then there is no justification for the GNU title. In the case of most GNU+Linux systems, it is the GNU system together with the Linux kernel program that forms the fundamental system for everything else. Free as in freedom software refers to the software users' freedom to 1)Live a good life 2)Contribute to the community as an upstanding citizen. |
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#115 |
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The GNU+Linux name only applies when the GNU system forms an integral part of the OS. The argument is that "Linux" (the kernel program) is not an OS in itself but a kernel program. The argument is that naming the whole system 'Linux' is unfair to the GNU project which also plays a fundamental part of the GNU+Linux system. Any other OS software within the system is also good, but they contribute a smaller role to the system (in comparison to GNU+Linux) and so, deserve a smaller role in the naming.
When the GNU software plays a minor role, the GNU title would also play a minor role. When there is no GNU software, then there is no justification for the GNU title. In the case of most GNU+Linux systems, it is the GNU system together with the Linux kernel program that forms the fundamental system for everything else. Free as in freedom software refers to the software users' freedom to 1)Live a good life 2)Contribute to the community as an upstanding citizen. There seems to be quite a few of us Linux users now, and we're building an interesting thread. I guess to other users of other Operating Systems we are the IT Crowd/Big Bang Theory thread, but we know we're the best ![]() Mark
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#116 |
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no display settings
Ever since upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 there has been no display settings and no way to turn on Unity. Incidentally I got a command line off this very forum and tried to force it and the computer had a hissy fit on me then in the end did not turn Unity on or in fact change anything
normally i'd see options here and also in System/Preferences but no display settings. I went through right clicking on applications and edit menus but it wasnt even there. Fair warning i'm almost useless with the jargon and command lines so any explanation is gonna have to be in pretty basic language |
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Ever since upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 there has been no display settings and no way to turn on Unity. Incidentally I got a command line off this very forum and tried to force it and the computer had a hissy fit on me then in the end did not turn Unity on or in fact change anything
normally i'd see options here and also in System/Preferences but no display settings. I went through right clicking on applications and edit menus but it wasnt even there. Fair warning i'm almost useless with the jargon and command lines so any explanation is gonna have to be in pretty basic language First of all, you have tried the command line on this thread, and as that has not worked so the next step is to simply try the older version of the graphics driver (I presume you have an nVidia card the same as me). If you need help, let us know. Mark
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For people into the history and evolution of Linux, there is a 2001 feature-length documentary online called Revolution OS, which goes into some detail. Unfortunately the documentary makers wanted to make a documentary about Linux, but it ended up being more about the GNU, the Free Software Foundation and Open Source, ie Richard Stallman spent more time onscreen than anyone else.
Best quote from Richard Stallman at Linuxworld 1999 : "Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is sort of like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet." The documentary is ten years old, which is a lifetime in terms of computer technology, but does cover the birth of Linux and explains some of the mentality behind software development. Linux itself has evolved since then but the basic philosophy behind it remains little changed. |
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simply try the older version of the graphics driver (I presume you have an nVidia card the same as me).
If you need help, let us know. MarkI can't even find the menu for that. Should be System/Preferences/Hardware but nothing is there. I do know Open GL barely works as my dock and Google Earth both run very slowly in that mode but what exactly I have I don't know
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On topic, does anyone here know where to get the latest Crunchbang Linux as a direct download? I can only find torrents...
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Can only find torrents myself, and when I have tried they were very slow.
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First place I looked. They only do torrents now.
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GParted
Just wondering what options you guys prefer?
Quite surprised the likes of Linux Mint Debian based releases, and some others still use this! A quick google shows up several different ways of setting up the hard drive. Just wondering if you do actually keep your 'Home' partition or just go for a complete format when installing\upgrading your os. I just back up and go for complete format. |
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I'm a bit old fashioned in that I don't keep a separate Home partition. I just have a Fat32 partition that I store all the files and whatnot on that I want to keep, which is then backed up onto an external drive and various DVD's. I don't keep much in Home, other than the few things I might want to use like roms etc, but as these are backed up safely I usually wipe the lot with a new distro and start again.
Maybe I ought to look into using a separate Home partition... GParted is aces btw.
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Fat32
![]() ![]() GParted s great, just not newbie friendly, so think they should offer options for easy installs for newbies. |
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fat32?
![]() no files over 4GB then? |
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Mark

I do know Open GL barely works as my dock and Google Earth both run very slowly in that mode but what exactly I have I don't know
