iCloud and iOS5

unklesam · 07-06-2011, 05:50

According to Cnet UK not all the iCloud stuff will work in the UK, US only

DotNetWill · 07-06-2011, 09:25

Quote:

Don't suppose any of Android got its ideas from iOS?

I can't actually think of anything in Android that was nicked from iOS.

And don't say the AppStore as Apple weren't the first to do that either.

gazmilne · 07-06-2011, 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

According to Cnet UK not all the iCloud stuff will work in the UK, US only

What?

Any chance of a copy and paste, i cant get on to that site at work unfortunately!

WelshBluebird · 07-06-2011, 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D

Disappointing that you can have all your purchased music in the cloud for free, without having to upload it yourself like with Amazon & Google?

Disappointing that you can have all your ripped music in the cloud for $24.99 (cheaper than Amazon), without having to upload it yourself like with Amazon & Google?

Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them.

My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff.

gazmilne · 07-06-2011, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by WelshBluebird

Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them.

My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff.

Would not be suprised if something along those lines was the future versions of it.

BOOTHY2905 · 07-06-2011, 10:10

Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android?

icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years.

iMessage, Thanks Blackberry

improved notifications, well how much notification do you
actually need.

apple say 200 new features. How come apple "the best at everything and the OS that is leader in their field???
Rubbish, They should of all existed on the 3GS at least!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnYUtU_tWw

gazmilne · 07-06-2011, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android?

icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years.

iMessage, Thanks Blackberry

improved notifications, well how much notification do you
actually need.

apple say 200 new features. How come apple "the best at everything and the OS that is leader in their field???
Rubbish, They should of all existed on the 3GS at least!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnYUtU_tWw

Was there a point to your YouTube video?

Nothing wrong with taking ideas from other devices. It's what Androids done to the hilt to get where they are today. :sleep:

If they take an idea and make it better in which it seems to be the case here, then that's no bad thing.

BOOTHY2905 · 07-06-2011, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazmilne

Was there a point to your YouTube video?

Nothing wrong with taking ideas from other devices. It's what Androids done to the hilt to get where they are today. :sleep:

If they take an idea and make it better in which it seems to be the case here, then that's no bad thing.

just a funny video and quite true in my opinion because everyone I know who has one says. it's an apple though!!!

every single phone manufacturer has done this since they were invented. Apple just make out like they invented it first and always have done. What was it Job's said "we are taking a market leader even further into the lead" or something to that effect. ERRRRR no your not, you've just taken the name of already existing features that work extremely well and put a "i" in front of it to make it your's!!!

liedown · 07-06-2011, 10:25

Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies.

paulbrock · 07-06-2011, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by liedown

Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies.

most? shouldn't think so....

BOOTHY2905 · 07-06-2011, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by liedown

Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies.

Exactly it needs hacking to improve it and customize it. And these goodies you refer to are not that good I would imagine

liedown · 07-06-2011, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

most? shouldn't think so....

Must be a large percentage i've not bought an iphone since the first one that i haven't jail broken.

It makes the phone useable without the jailbreak its quite restrictive.

paulbrock · 07-06-2011, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by liedown

Must be a large percentage i've not bought an iphone since the first one that i haven't jail broken.

It makes the phone useable without the jailbreak its quite restrictive.

sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of smartphone users aren't.

liedown · 07-06-2011, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of smartphone users aren't.

Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization.

I done a wee poll on the subject.

I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking.

KesterK · 07-06-2011, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by liedown

Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization.

I done a wee poll on the subject.

I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking.

But most iPhone users won't be on forums... those who look up on the tech may jailbreak but certainly not most iphone users. Most iphone users won't even know what a jailbreak is. There are apparently 200 million iOS devices out there, a very very tiny number of them will be Jailbroken.

ACU · 07-06-2011, 12:26

Nothing new has been announced. To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday).

Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful. However then you are hit by large bills from the networks. I think if you look past all the hype and dramatics from apple, your left with something that is not anywhere as useful as they will lead you to believe. It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price.

ACU · 07-06-2011, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of iphone smartphone users aren't.

Fixed the above statement for you

You dont need to be a user of forums to get your iphone jailbroken. Take this scenario...One kid in college goes onto a forum, and jailbreaks his iphone. He shows his jailbroken phone to a friend, who says "how did you do that?" The kid shows him how to do it. They both now show their jailbroken phone to two different kids. They both say "how did you do that?" Repeat a few times, and the whole college has a jailbroken iphone. All it took was one person to go on a forum. Repeat this for workplace/club/social groups etc. Of course not everyone will want their phone jailbroken.

gazmilne · 07-06-2011, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACU

Nothing new has been announced. To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday).

Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful. However then you are hit by large bills from the networks. I think if you look past all the hype and dramatics from apple, your left with something that is not anywhere as useful as they will lead you to believe. It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price.

I thought most trains have a wifi network now?

WelshBluebird · 07-06-2011, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazmilne

I thought most trains have a wifi network now?

Most? No where near.
One or two yeah, but nowhere near most.

cavemanjames · 07-06-2011, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D

It means you won't need to hook up to your computer & sync your music, apps, documents etc. separately to each device, it's just done wirelessly from the "cloud".

Buy a new app on one device...it's there for all.

Buy music on one device... it's there for all.

Create/edit a document on one device... it's there for all.

Much better IMO.

Yup. I already have free Mail/Contact/Calendar OTA sync via Google, but to also have free photo, document, & music OTA sync via iCloud will be excellent... especially Documents.

Not trying/wanting to troll here...

Windows Phone has had this since its launch. The only thing is you'd need to set it up while it's connected to the computer. After that it's totally wireless.

nickmack · 07-06-2011, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACU

Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday).

Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful.

I believe Mobile Cloud Computing will be the future, but it's implementation and success largely depends on how quickly faster networks can be put in place and whether mobile data becomes cheaper.

The concept is much easier to implement on PC's first as you can already get 100Mb+ speeds in some areas. As this becomes faster, loading applications and Operating Systems from the cloud becomes more viable.

ACU · 07-06-2011, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickmack

I believe Mobile Cloud Computing will be the future, but it's implementation and success largely depends on how quickly faster networks can be put in place and whether mobile data becomes cheaper.

The concept is much easier to implement on PC's first as you can already get 100Mb+ speeds in some areas. As this becomes faster, loading applications and Operating Systems from the cloud becomes more viable.

I agree 100% with what you are saying. I believe Apple should have given the user the option of using wifi or 3G. In some cases (mainly business) when you just have to send the document, a slow connection is better than no connection.

ACU · 07-06-2011, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazmilne

I thought most trains have a wifi network now?

I was using an example....you know the point I was making.

KesterK · 07-06-2011, 15:49

Can't believe they're actually getting rid of the iPod app and replacing it with seperate Music and Video apps on the iPhone

I know its to make it consistent with iPod touch and iPad... but the iPod symbol is so iconic it will be a shame to see it go. First apple didn't update the iPod classic last year, and now removing its logo from iPhone, think this year will be the death of the iPod classic with click wheel.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/07/ios-5-beta-gallery/

TheCableGuy · 07-06-2011, 15:55

Jailbreaking was mentioned a few posts up. How will jailbreaks be afftected by this automatic OS updates OTA? Surely this will un-jailbreak each time it does it? Or do you reckon some clever folks will find out how to get around this so that iOS updates work alongside jailbreaks rather than overwritting them?

I bought an iPhone 4 when they came out, and jailbroke it a few weeks later. Since then I've been on the same firmware as I didnt want to lose my jailbreak and all my customisations. I bit the bullet last week and upgraded to 4.3.3 and re did my jailbreak. Laptop misbehaved in the process and I lost my backup of the iPhone and Cydia apps

07-06-2011, 09:25	#52
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by russellelly Don't suppose any of Android got its ideas from iOS? I can't actually think of anything in Android that was nicked from iOS. And don't say the AppStore as Apple weren't the first to do that either.

07-06-2011, 05:50	#51
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	According to Cnet UK not all the iCloud stuff will work in the UK, US only

07-06-2011, 09:36	#53
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam According to Cnet UK not all the iCloud stuff will work in the UK, US only What? Any chance of a copy and paste, i cant get on to that site at work unfortunately!

07-06-2011, 09:55	#54
WelshBluebird Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 720	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt D Disappointing that you can have all your purchased music in the cloud for free, without having to upload it yourself like with Amazon & Google? Disappointing that you can have all your ripped music in the cloud for $24.99 (cheaper than Amazon), without having to upload it yourself like with Amazon & Google? Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them. My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff.

07-06-2011, 10:05	#55
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by WelshBluebird Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them. My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff. Would not be suprised if something along those lines was the future versions of it.

07-06-2011, 10:10	#56
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android? icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years. iMessage, Thanks Blackberry improved notifications, well how much notification do you actually need. apple say 200 new features. How come apple "the best at everything and the OS that is leader in their field??? Rubbish, They should of all existed on the 3GS at least!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnYUtU_tWw

07-06-2011, 10:14	#57
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android? icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years. iMessage, Thanks Blackberry improved notifications, well how much notification do you actually need. apple say 200 new features. How come apple "the best at everything and the OS that is leader in their field??? Rubbish, They should of all existed on the 3GS at least!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGnYUtU_tWw Was there a point to your YouTube video? Nothing wrong with taking ideas from other devices. It's what Androids done to the hilt to get where they are today. :sleep: If they take an idea and make it better in which it seems to be the case here, then that's no bad thing.

07-06-2011, 10:22	#58
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	Quote: Originally Posted by gazmilne Was there a point to your YouTube video? Nothing wrong with taking ideas from other devices. It's what Androids done to the hilt to get where they are today. :sleep: If they take an idea and make it better in which it seems to be the case here, then that's no bad thing. just a funny video and quite true in my opinion because everyone I know who has one says. it's an apple though!!! every single phone manufacturer has done this since they were invented. Apple just make out like they invented it first and always have done. What was it Job's said "we are taking a market leader even further into the lead" or something to that effect. ERRRRR no your not, you've just taken the name of already existing features that work extremely well and put a "i" in front of it to make it your's!!!

07-06-2011, 10:25	#59
liedown Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,772	Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies.

07-06-2011, 10:53	#60
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by liedown Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies. most? shouldn't think so....

07-06-2011, 11:20	#61
BOOTHY2905 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,512	Quote: Originally Posted by liedown Don't most iphone users just jailbreak their device to get all the goodies. Exactly it needs hacking to improve it and customize it. And these goodies you refer to are not that good I would imagine

07-06-2011, 11:24	#62
liedown Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,772	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock most? shouldn't think so.... Must be a large percentage i've not bought an iphone since the first one that i haven't jail broken. It makes the phone useable without the jailbreak its quite restrictive.

07-06-2011, 11:29	#63
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by liedown Must be a large percentage i've not bought an iphone since the first one that i haven't jail broken. It makes the phone useable without the jailbreak its quite restrictive. sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of smartphone users aren't.

07-06-2011, 11:31	#64
liedown Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,772	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of smartphone users aren't. Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization. I done a wee poll on the subject. I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking.

07-06-2011, 11:55	#65
KesterK Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,618	Quote: Originally Posted by liedown Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization. I done a wee poll on the subject. I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking. But most iPhone users won't be on forums... those who look up on the tech may jailbreak but certainly not most iphone users. Most iphone users won't even know what a jailbreak is. There are apparently 200 million iOS devices out there, a very very tiny number of them will be Jailbroken.

07-06-2011, 12:26	#66
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Nothing new has been announced. To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday). Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful. However then you are hit by large bills from the networks. I think if you look past all the hype and dramatics from apple, your left with something that is not anywhere as useful as they will lead you to believe. It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price.

07-06-2011, 12:32	#67
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock sure but the majority of iphone users aren't necessarily going onto forums, reading up on stuff. Hell the majority of iphone smartphone users aren't. Fixed the above statement for you You dont need to be a user of forums to get your iphone jailbroken. Take this scenario...One kid in college goes onto a forum, and jailbreaks his iphone. He shows his jailbroken phone to a friend, who says "how did you do that?" The kid shows him how to do it. They both now show their jailbroken phone to two different kids. They both say "how did you do that?" Repeat a few times, and the whole college has a jailbroken iphone. All it took was one person to go on a forum. Repeat this for workplace/club/social groups etc. Of course not everyone will want their phone jailbroken.

07-06-2011, 13:26	#68
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU Nothing new has been announced. To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday). Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful. However then you are hit by large bills from the networks. I think if you look past all the hype and dramatics from apple, your left with something that is not anywhere as useful as they will lead you to believe. It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price. I thought most trains have a wifi network now?

07-06-2011, 13:36	#69
WelshBluebird Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 720	Quote: Originally Posted by gazmilne I thought most trains have a wifi network now? Most? No where near. One or two yeah, but nowhere near most.

07-06-2011, 14:02	#70
cavemanjames Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 617	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt D It means you won't need to hook up to your computer & sync your music, apps, documents etc. separately to each device, it's just done wirelessly from the "cloud". Buy a new app on one device...it's there for all. Buy music on one device... it's there for all. Create/edit a document on one device... it's there for all. Much better IMO. Yup. I already have free Mail/Contact/Calendar OTA sync via Google, but to also have free photo, document, & music OTA sync via iCloud will be excellent... especially Documents. Not trying/wanting to troll here... Windows Phone has had this since its launch. The only thing is you'd need to set it up while it's connected to the computer. After that it's totally wireless.

07-06-2011, 14:14	#71
nickmack Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 101	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday). Once its opened up to 3G, then it becomes useful. I believe Mobile Cloud Computing will be the future, but it's implementation and success largely depends on how quickly faster networks can be put in place and whether mobile data becomes cheaper. The concept is much easier to implement on PC's first as you can already get 100Mb+ speeds in some areas. As this becomes faster, loading applications and Operating Systems from the cloud becomes more viable.

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iCloud and iOS5

07-06-2011, 14:37	#72
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by nickmack I believe Mobile Cloud Computing will be the future, but it's implementation and success largely depends on how quickly faster networks can be put in place and whether mobile data becomes cheaper. The concept is much easier to implement on PC's first as you can already get 100Mb+ speeds in some areas. As this becomes faster, loading applications and Operating Systems from the cloud becomes more viable. I agree 100% with what you are saying. I believe Apple should have given the user the option of using wifi or 3G. In some cases (mainly business) when you just have to send the document, a slow connection is better than no connection.

07-06-2011, 14:38	#73
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by gazmilne I thought most trains have a wifi network now? I was using an example....you know the point I was making.

07-06-2011, 15:49	#74
KesterK Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,618	Can't believe they're actually getting rid of the iPod app and replacing it with seperate Music and Video apps on the iPhone I know its to make it consistent with iPod touch and iPad... but the iPod symbol is so iconic it will be a shame to see it go. First apple didn't update the iPod classic last year, and now removing its logo from iPhone, think this year will be the death of the iPod classic with click wheel. http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/07/ios-5-beta-gallery/

07-06-2011, 15:55	#75
TheCableGuy Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Herts Posts: 5,316	Jailbreaking was mentioned a few posts up. How will jailbreaks be afftected by this automatic OS updates OTA? Surely this will un-jailbreak each time it does it? Or do you reckon some clever folks will find out how to get around this so that iOS updates work alongside jailbreaks rather than overwritting them? I bought an iPhone 4 when they came out, and jailbroke it a few weeks later. Since then I've been on the same firmware as I didnt want to lose my jailbreak and all my customisations. I bit the bullet last week and upgraded to 4.3.3 and re did my jailbreak. Laptop misbehaved in the process and I lost my backup of the iPhone and Cydia apps