iCloud and iOS5

Matt D · 07-06-2011, 19:04

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Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them.

My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff.

Valid points. I wouldn't be surprised though if Apple did later add streaming (via another "magical" update and for a cost, of course

).

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Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android?

So? They all "borrow" from each other. What exactly is wrong with Apple adding features which many people say are missing?

Before WWDC, some people would bitch that it was missing various "standard features" of Android etc. Now iOS5 has been announced, people bitch that its stealing the same features from Android etc. Apple can't win...

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Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years.

Mail/Contact/Calendar OTA sync with Google hasn't been around so long I'd class it as "for years", but yes it has been around (& free) for longer than iCloud, obviously, given that iCloud's predecessor was the horrendously overpriced MobileMe.

I think it's something Apple should have done ages ago, given the fact you can get free Mail/Contact/Calendar sync with Google, & free storage with Dropbox & MS, etc. etc. Simply making MobileMe free would have satisified many people, but Apple's gone a step further & revamped it too.

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Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

iMessage, Thanks Blackberry

Yes, but so what? So it's not the first platform-specific messaging system, big deal. Why shouldn't Apple add a feature like that? I don't care if it's just a "BBM rip-off" or whatever some people may call it - I don't have a BlackBerry, so don't care, but I would like to have a messaging system which let me message my iDevice owning friends for free instead of texting them.

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Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905

improved notifications, well how much notification do you
actually need.

Have you seen the current notification system on iOS? It's awful...

The new system is far better, & takes a leaf out of Android's book... it also apparently looks rather similar to a Jailbreak-only notification app whose developer now happens to work for Apple...

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Originally Posted by ACU

Nothing new has been announced.

Nothing new for people with Android & other mobile operating systems, no, as we know you're all used to WiFi syncing & OTA updates etc. etc.

But for people with iOS devices there is a hell of a lot of new stuff, new stuff which is extremely welcome.

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Originally Posted by ACU

To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday).

Erm... are you sure you get the point of iCloud? It's not for sharing with other people (who on earth would give someone else their iTunes account details?), it's for wirelessly syncing your stuff across multiple devices (basically for sharing with yourself). Buy music on your iPhone, it'll be pushed to your iPad. Buy an app on your iPad, it'll be pushed to your iPhone. Edit a document on your iPad, it'll be pushed to your iPhone. etc. etc. etc.

If you want to share something with someone else there is something I believe is called "email"

Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else....Yes you can! Just open Pages/Numbers/Keynote > open document > share via email (using 3G or WiFi).

Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it...Yes you can! Just open the Photos app > open photo > share via email (using 3G or WiFi).

[Also, if you're on holiday, there's no way you'd want to use 3G anyway unless it was a UK holiday...Hardly a good idea to use roaming data to send people photos etc.]

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Originally Posted by ACU

It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price.

Rich man's price? I accept that for MobileMe ($99 per year for stuff which could mostly be done free via Google & Dropbox), but iCloud is free...I wouldn't call "free" a "rich man's price".

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Originally Posted by cavemanjames

Not trying/wanting to troll here...

Windows Phone has had this since its launch. The only thing is you'd need to set it up while it's connected to the computer. After that it's totally wireless.

Fair enough

How old is WP7 though? 9 months or something? iOS5 is the first major whole version update to iOS since last summer's iOS4.

I've tried WP7 & think it's very nice, but I remember its predecessor being absolutely awful.

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Originally Posted by ACU

I agree 100% with what you are saying. I believe Apple should have given the user the option of using wifi or 3G. In some cases (mainly business) when you just have to send the document, a slow connection is better than no connection.

See my previous answer to you: basically - it's not for sharing with others, for that you just use email (which will work via 3G or WiFi).

IslandNiles · 07-06-2011, 19:44

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Originally Posted by KesterK

Can't believe they're actually getting rid of the iPod app and replacing it with seperate Music and Video apps on the iPhone

I know its to make it consistent with iPod touch and iPad... but the iPod symbol is so iconic it will be a shame to see it go. First apple didn't update the iPod classic last year, and now removing its logo from iPhone, think this year will be the death of the iPod classic with click wheel.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/07/ios-5-beta-gallery/

Strange decision. The term 'iPod' is still very widely used. I'm not convinced that the separate music and video apps will be carried forward to the actual release. Why have two apps for something, when the iPod app could do it all? And what about audio podcasts and audiobooks, for example? They're not music or video. (How are they categorised on the iPod touch?)

It makes sense for the iPod touch, because an iPod button is pretty silly on a device that is actually an iPod. But on the iPhone it makes perfect sense to retain the iPod app.

gazmilne · 08-06-2011, 10:54

I like the idea of iCloud. Especially over the likes of Dropbox which for me just gives me over 2GB of storage space, not enough for everything I need.

ACU · 08-06-2011, 11:39

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Originally Posted by gazmilne

I like the idea of iCloud. Especially over the likes of Dropbox which for me just gives me over 2GB of storage space, not enough for everything I need.

If size is your only problem, then something like skydrive gives you 25GB of free storage. With dropbox if you refer people you get free additional storage. There is a 10.25GB limit to this though.

The daily mash does the icloud.

tdenson · 08-06-2011, 11:43

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Originally Posted by liedown

Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization.

I done a wee poll on the subject.

I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking.

I suspect that no more than 10% of people on forums jailbreak and I bet that would translate into 0.1% in the real world.

ACU · 08-06-2011, 11:49

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Originally Posted by tdenson

I suspect that no more than 10% of people on forums jailbreak and I bet that would translate into 0.1% in the real world.

You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air?

How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone.

paulbrock · 08-06-2011, 11:58

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Originally Posted by ACU

You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air?

How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone.

stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20%

ACU · 08-06-2011, 12:03

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20%

That seems more plausible than 0.1%.

cavemanjames · 08-06-2011, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Matt D

Fair enough

How old is WP7 though? 9 months or something? iOS5 is the first major whole version update to iOS since last summer's iOS4.

I've tried WP7 & think it's very nice, but I remember its predecessor being absolutely awful.

True, but WP7 got it from the Zune devices. They had wireless streaming/updating/sharing since the second generation of its devices.

It's a big step up, from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone. It does seem like they've just started from scratch, and Windows Phone was what they came up with. From what I can tell. It really is a completely different operating system.

tdenson · 08-06-2011, 12:29

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Originally Posted by ACU

You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air?

How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone.

Yes of course I am plucking random numbers out of the air, hence my use of the words "I guess" and "I bet". However, I would really think that no more than 10% of the total iPhone users in the world have even heard of jailbreaking - I'm not talking about the nerdy circle of friends that most users on this forum have, but the man in the street in Little Rock Arkansas. I stand to be corrected, and if the alleged stats of 20% referred to elsewhere on this thread prove to be correct I am astounded at the figure.
I haven't jailbroken my phone for years (indeed since the days when it could only be used even as a phone in the UK required it to be hacked) and have no desire to do so since it is just too much hassle keeping up to date with Apple updates - and yet I am a techie/nerdy user who would be the first to do it ordinarily (I have put IOS 5 onto my primary phone as I am not afraid to take risks and so far not regretting it).

alanwarwic · 08-06-2011, 17:58

Am I right in thinking that Apple are bypassing the mobile networks and do their own MMS service.

If so, sometime in the future it also means the eventual birth of Apple Mobile.

IslandNiles · 08-06-2011, 18:16

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Am I right in thinking that Apple are bypassing the mobile networks and do their own MMS service.

Only to other iOS devices via iMessage. There are other apps that can already do it cross-platform, like WhatsApp. I use it for nearly all my picture messages now.

The only benefit I can see to iMessage is if it integrates seamlessly into the text view.

iain · 08-06-2011, 18:29

i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator?

Iain

Stiggles · 08-06-2011, 18:41

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Originally Posted by iain

i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator?

Iain

No. Jailbreaking allows people do do things like make new themes and add features apples deliberately left out.

Like the case where apple hadnt added MMS. When you jailbroke the phone there was an app that enabled it.

paulbrock · 08-06-2011, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by iain

i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator?

Iain

my understanding is that it effectively allows 'root' access (administrator access) which means you have more power to change things on it, in the same way as if you were a technician/developer. this allows a greater amount of customisation, apps to be installed that aren't approved and other fun stuff.

alanwarwic · 08-06-2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by IslandNiles

Only to other iOS devices via iMessage.

I think it chooses where to route it, whether via traditional MMS or via the messenger service.

moox · 08-06-2011, 20:17

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Originally Posted by iain

i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator?

Iain

It mostly allows you to install applications that the Blessed Apple won't approve for their App Store - usually applications that make the phone more bearable and comparable in featureset to its competitors, as well as applications that are there because Apple won't approve it because Steve Jobs got out of the wrong side of the bed that day.

alanwarwic · 09-06-2011, 12:54

I imagine much of IOS functionality is available via Cydia already.

Apple no doubt bans features they have futire plans for, so much of the decent third party stuff gets forced there.

BT@home · 09-06-2011, 12:57

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I imagine much of IOS functionality is available via Cydia already.

Apple no doubt bans features they have futire plans for, so much of the decent third party stuff gets forced there.

and then they release it themselves, for example.

robtuk06 · 09-06-2011, 12:59

iMessage looks like it is fully integrated to the current Messages app. It will detect from your contacts database if the recipient is capable of receiving iMessages or not - and if they are, it will be sent like this rather than a text. Info here: http://www.cultofmac.com/imessage-is...it-works/99296

This is (IMO) ten times better than a separate app like PingChat etc.

As someone who has never used BBM, does it work the same way, or is it a totally separate app from texting?

TheBigM · 09-06-2011, 13:15

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Originally Posted by robtuk06

iMessage looks like it is fully integrated to the current Messages app. It will detect from your contacts database if the recipient is capable of receiving iMessages or not - and if they are, it will be sent like this rather than a text. Info here: http://www.cultofmac.com/imessage-is...it-works/99296

This is (IMO) ten times better than a separate app like PingChat etc.

As someone who has never used BBM, does it work the same way, or is it a totally separate app from texting?

It's basically like the system that MS announced. MS' system will work across SMS, Windows Live Messenger and Facebook Chat. In that sense, the MS system is better as it reaches a wider number of people (all people who use facebook, all people on WLM). The iMessages system is only for iDevices.

There's still a place in the world for separate apps like whatsapp because they are cross-platform, it's much better to reach most of your friends via chat than the small subset on iPhones.

gazmilne · 09-06-2011, 15:25

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Originally Posted by moox

It mostly allows you to install applications that the Blessed Apple won't approve for their App Store - usually applications that make the phone more bearable and comparable in featureset to its competitors, as well as applications that are there because Apple won't approve it because Steve Jobs got out of the wrong side of the bed that day.

Bearable? Wouldnt go that far. Anything that isnt on it isn't exactly like a massive hindrance to every day life.

helpmechill · 09-06-2011, 17:15

This is the best article I have read about iOS5!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ios-5-hands-161100392.html

It's interesting they are now fully competing with Blackberry on a number of features....

gazmilne · 09-06-2011, 17:28

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Originally Posted by helpmechill

This is the best article I have read about I Phone 5!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ios-5-hands-161100392.html

It's interesting they are now fully competing with Blackberry on a number of features....

That's about iOS5 and not about iPhone 5, you know?

cavemanjames · 09-06-2011, 17:30

iPhone*

Besides, that's version 5 of the stuff that appears on screen, or 'iOS'.

Patronising aside, They've appeared to copy features from other mobile OS's.
That's perfectly fine, as long as they don't go gallivanting around claiming that they were the first to bring out features such as Over-The-Air updates, wi-fi sync, notifications (or the improvements of them), camera features etc. etc.

07-06-2011, 19:04	#76
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	Quote: Originally Posted by WelshBluebird Disappointing because you have to download your songs, you cannot stream them. My iPhone is nearly always full to capacity. I simply don't have the room on there to be constantly downloading the songs I want to listen to. I would much prefer to be able to stream them. It makes no sense to have a cloud music service where you can't stream stuff. Valid points. I wouldn't be surprised though if Apple did later add streaming (via another "magical" update and for a cost, of course ). Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 Surely all the "NEW" features are copied from other service providers like Google, RIMM and android? So? They all "borrow" from each other. What exactly is wrong with Apple adding features which many people say are missing? Before WWDC, some people would bitch that it was missing various "standard features" of Android etc. Now iOS5 has been announced, people bitch that its stealing the same features from Android etc. Apple can't win... Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 icloud is frankly a really original name for a service Google have been doing for years. Mail/Contact/Calendar OTA sync with Google hasn't been around so long I'd class it as "for years", but yes it has been around (& free) for longer than iCloud, obviously, given that iCloud's predecessor was the horrendously overpriced MobileMe. I think it's something Apple should have done ages ago, given the fact you can get free Mail/Contact/Calendar sync with Google, & free storage with Dropbox & MS, etc. etc. Simply making MobileMe free would have satisified many people, but Apple's gone a step further & revamped it too. Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 iMessage, Thanks Blackberry Yes, but so what? So it's not the first platform-specific messaging system, big deal. Why shouldn't Apple add a feature like that? I don't care if it's just a "BBM rip-off" or whatever some people may call it - I don't have a BlackBerry, so don't care, but I would like to have a messaging system which let me message my iDevice owning friends for free instead of texting them. Quote: Originally Posted by BOOTHY2905 improved notifications, well how much notification do you actually need. Have you seen the current notification system on iOS? It's awful... The new system is far better, & takes a leaf out of Android's book... it also apparently looks rather similar to a Jailbreak-only notification app whose developer now happens to work for Apple... Quote: Originally Posted by ACU Nothing new has been announced. Nothing new for people with Android & other mobile operating systems, no, as we know you're all used to WiFi syncing & OTA updates etc. etc. But for people with iOS devices there is a hell of a lot of new stuff, new stuff which is extremely welcome. Quote: Originally Posted by ACU To be honest its pretty restrictive, which makes it somewhat useless. Cloud computing works really well, if it isnt restricted to working on a wifi only network. Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else. Tough you cant, well not until you get to a wifi network. Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it. Tough, you have to wait till you get back to the hotel before you have a (very expensive) wifi network (or wait till you get back home from holiday). Erm... are you sure you get the point of iCloud? It's not for sharing with other people (who on earth would give someone else their iTunes account details?), it's for wirelessly syncing your stuff across multiple devices (basically for sharing with yourself). Buy music on your iPhone, it'll be pushed to your iPad. Buy an app on your iPad, it'll be pushed to your iPhone. Edit a document on your iPad, it'll be pushed to your iPhone. etc. etc. etc. If you want to share something with someone else there is something I believe is called "email" Updated a document whilst on the train and want to send it to someone else....Yes you can! Just open Pages/Numbers/Keynote > open document > share via email (using 3G or WiFi). Just taken a pic when on holiday, and want to share it...Yes you can! Just open the Photos app > open photo > share via email (using 3G or WiFi). [Also, if you're on holiday, there's no way you'd want to use 3G anyway unless it was a UK holiday...Hardly a good idea to use roaming data to send people photos etc.] Quote: Originally Posted by ACU It really does sound like a poor mans cloud - except your paying rich mans price. Rich man's price? I accept that for MobileMe ($99 per year for stuff which could mostly be done free via Google & Dropbox), but iCloud is free...I wouldn't call "free" a "rich man's price". Quote: Originally Posted by cavemanjames Not trying/wanting to troll here... Windows Phone has had this since its launch. The only thing is you'd need to set it up while it's connected to the computer. After that it's totally wireless. Fair enough How old is WP7 though? 9 months or something? iOS5 is the first major whole version update to iOS since last summer's iOS4. I've tried WP7 & think it's very nice, but I remember its predecessor being absolutely awful. Quote: Originally Posted by ACU I agree 100% with what you are saying. I believe Apple should have given the user the option of using wifi or 3G. In some cases (mainly business) when you just have to send the document, a slow connection is better than no connection. See my previous answer to you: basically - it's not for sharing with others, for that you just use email (which will work via 3G or WiFi).

09-06-2011, 17:15	#98
helpmechill Inactive Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 13	iOS5 Is Out!!! This is the best article I have read about iOS5! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ios-5-hands-161100392.html It's interesting they are now fully competing with Blackberry on a number of features....

07-06-2011, 19:44	#77
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by KesterK Can't believe they're actually getting rid of the iPod app and replacing it with seperate Music and Video apps on the iPhone I know its to make it consistent with iPod touch and iPad... but the iPod symbol is so iconic it will be a shame to see it go. First apple didn't update the iPod classic last year, and now removing its logo from iPhone, think this year will be the death of the iPod classic with click wheel. http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/07/ios-5-beta-gallery/ Strange decision. The term 'iPod' is still very widely used. I'm not convinced that the separate music and video apps will be carried forward to the actual release. Why have two apps for something, when the iPod app could do it all? And what about audio podcasts and audiobooks, for example? They're not music or video. (How are they categorised on the iPod touch?) It makes sense for the iPod touch, because an iPod button is pretty silly on a device that is actually an iPod. But on the iPhone it makes perfect sense to retain the iPod app.

08-06-2011, 10:54	#78
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	I like the idea of iCloud. Especially over the likes of Dropbox which for me just gives me over 2GB of storage space, not enough for everything I need.

08-06-2011, 11:39	#79
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by gazmilne I like the idea of iCloud. Especially over the likes of Dropbox which for me just gives me over 2GB of storage space, not enough for everything I need. If size is your only problem, then something like skydrive gives you 25GB of free storage. With dropbox if you refer people you get free additional storage. There is a 10.25GB limit to this though. The daily mash does the icloud.

08-06-2011, 11:43	#80
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by liedown Maybe not but i think most people who buy iphones and smartphones are always on the look out for the latest rom or customization. I done a wee poll on the subject. I hope its ok to do a poll on Jailbreaking. I suspect that no more than 10% of people on forums jailbreak and I bet that would translate into 0.1% in the real world.

08-06-2011, 11:49	#81
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson I suspect that no more than 10% of people on forums jailbreak and I bet that would translate into 0.1% in the real world. You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air? How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone.

08-06-2011, 11:58	#82
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air? How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone. stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20%

08-06-2011, 12:03	#83
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20% That seems more plausible than 0.1%.

08-06-2011, 12:15	#84
cavemanjames Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 617	Quote: Originally Posted by Matt D Fair enough How old is WP7 though? 9 months or something? iOS5 is the first major whole version update to iOS since last summer's iOS4. I've tried WP7 & think it's very nice, but I remember its predecessor being absolutely awful. True, but WP7 got it from the Zune devices. They had wireless streaming/updating/sharing since the second generation of its devices. It's a big step up, from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone. It does seem like they've just started from scratch, and Windows Phone was what they came up with. From what I can tell. It really is a completely different operating system.

08-06-2011, 12:29	#85
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU You got anything to back that up, or are you just plucking random figures out the air? How many people jailbreak, I doubt anybody knows the real number. But the vast majority of people I know, have a jailbroken iphone. Yes of course I am plucking random numbers out of the air, hence my use of the words "I guess" and "I bet". However, I would really think that no more than 10% of the total iPhone users in the world have even heard of jailbreaking - I'm not talking about the nerdy circle of friends that most users on this forum have, but the man in the street in Little Rock Arkansas. I stand to be corrected, and if the alleged stats of 20% referred to elsewhere on this thread prove to be correct I am astounded at the figure. I haven't jailbroken my phone for years (indeed since the days when it could only be used even as a phone in the UK required it to be hacked) and have no desire to do so since it is just too much hassle keeping up to date with Apple updates - and yet I am a techie/nerdy user who would be the first to do it ordinarily (I have put IOS 5 onto my primary phone as I am not afraid to take risks and so far not regretting it).

08-06-2011, 17:58	#86
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Am I right in thinking that Apple are bypassing the mobile networks and do their own MMS service. If so, sometime in the future it also means the eventual birth of Apple Mobile.

08-06-2011, 18:16	#87
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Am I right in thinking that Apple are bypassing the mobile networks and do their own MMS service. Only to other iOS devices via iMessage. There are other apps that can already do it cross-platform, like WhatsApp. I use it for nearly all my picture messages now. The only benefit I can see to iMessage is if it integrates seamlessly into the text view.

08-06-2011, 18:29	#88
iain Guest Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 62,990	i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator? Iain

08-06-2011, 18:41	#89
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by iain i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator? Iain No. Jailbreaking allows people do do things like make new themes and add features apples deliberately left out. Like the case where apple hadnt added MMS. When you jailbroke the phone there was an app that enabled it.

08-06-2011, 18:49	#90
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by iain i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator? Iain my understanding is that it effectively allows 'root' access (administrator access) which means you have more power to change things on it, in the same way as if you were a technician/developer. this allows a greater amount of customisation, apps to be installed that aren't approved and other fun stuff.

08-06-2011, 19:50	#91
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by IslandNiles Only to other iOS devices via iMessage. I think it chooses where to route it, whether via traditional MMS or via the messenger service.

08-06-2011, 20:17	#92
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by iain i've never quite gotten the point of jailbreaking phones - is it just so that it can be used with any sim with any mobile operator? Iain It mostly allows you to install applications that the Blessed Apple won't approve for their App Store - usually applications that make the phone more bearable and comparable in featureset to its competitors, as well as applications that are there because Apple won't approve it because Steve Jobs got out of the wrong side of the bed that day.

09-06-2011, 12:54	#93
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I imagine much of IOS functionality is available via Cydia already. Apple no doubt bans features they have futire plans for, so much of the decent third party stuff gets forced there.

09-06-2011, 12:57	#94
BT@home Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,911	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic I imagine much of IOS functionality is available via Cydia already. Apple no doubt bans features they have futire plans for, so much of the decent third party stuff gets forced there. and then they release it themselves, for example.

09-06-2011, 12:59	#95
robtuk06 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,425	iMessage looks like it is fully integrated to the current Messages app. It will detect from your contacts database if the recipient is capable of receiving iMessages or not - and if they are, it will be sent like this rather than a text. Info here: http://www.cultofmac.com/imessage-is...it-works/99296 This is (IMO) ten times better than a separate app like PingChat etc. As someone who has never used BBM, does it work the same way, or is it a totally separate app from texting?

09-06-2011, 13:15	#96
TheBigM Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: moon Posts: 12,983	Quote: Originally Posted by robtuk06 iMessage looks like it is fully integrated to the current Messages app. It will detect from your contacts database if the recipient is capable of receiving iMessages or not - and if they are, it will be sent like this rather than a text. Info here: http://www.cultofmac.com/imessage-is...it-works/99296 This is (IMO) ten times better than a separate app like PingChat etc. As someone who has never used BBM, does it work the same way, or is it a totally separate app from texting? It's basically like the system that MS announced. MS' system will work across SMS, Windows Live Messenger and Facebook Chat. In that sense, the MS system is better as it reaches a wider number of people (all people who use facebook, all people on WLM). The iMessages system is only for iDevices. There's still a place in the world for separate apps like whatsapp because they are cross-platform, it's much better to reach most of your friends via chat than the small subset on iPhones.

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iCloud and iOS5

09-06-2011, 15:25	#97
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by moox It mostly allows you to install applications that the Blessed Apple won't approve for their App Store - usually applications that make the phone more bearable and comparable in featureset to its competitors, as well as applications that are there because Apple won't approve it because Steve Jobs got out of the wrong side of the bed that day. Bearable? Wouldnt go that far. Anything that isnt on it isn't exactly like a massive hindrance to every day life.

09-06-2011, 17:28	#99
gazmilne Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 847	Quote: Originally Posted by helpmechill This is the best article I have read about I Phone 5! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ios-5-hands-161100392.html It's interesting they are now fully competing with Blackberry on a number of features.... That's about iOS5 and not about iPhone 5, you know?

09-06-2011, 17:30	#100
cavemanjames Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 617	iPhone* Besides, that's version 5 of the stuff that appears on screen, or 'iOS'. Patronising aside, They've appeared to copy features from other mobile OS's. That's perfectly fine, as long as they don't go gallivanting around claiming that they were the first to bring out features such as Over-The-Air updates, wi-fi sync, notifications (or the improvements of them), camera features etc. etc.