iCloud and iOS5

psionic · 09-06-2011, 17:31

As said above it's about the Operating system (iOS5) which is currently in beta. I suspect it will be released to the public at about the same time as the iPhone 5 is released - probably after the summer hols.

edit: I see you've edited the OP and thread title now

danleto · 09-06-2011, 17:35

Yes it is and a handful of those features have been out on other OS's for some time.

daleski75 · 09-06-2011, 17:50

I am quite impressed by what I have seen from iOS5 and thank god it now has a better notification system as the 'old' one sucked.

Best bits are the notifications and the fact you don't need to be near a pc to activate the phone over iTunes.

ACU · 09-06-2011, 17:57

if your impressed get yourself an android phone, its what apple have copied.

You will get all these features, plus more today!!

You_mo · 09-06-2011, 18:19

about this bit...

Quote:

Once you install iOS 5, the software now goes off and finds out what you've bought in the past through Apple's App Store and keeps a record of it so if you lose your phone or your iTunes library goes bang, you can still get your apps.

I've had that feature the last few days and I haven't updated anything.

It's under 'app store - updates - purchased'.

pi r squared · 09-06-2011, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACU

if your impressed get yourself an android phone, its what apple have copied.

To be fair - and I say this as a huge Android fan, and user for the past two years - you could equally argue that many of Android's features, such as pinch-to-zoom, have been "copied" from Apple.

ferd · 09-06-2011, 19:54

Yes it's only right and natural that there will be an intermingling of the best features from each OS. Android did copy Apple, as Apple did copy Palm before them, etc etc.
This competing between Apple, Google, Microsoft & Blackberry is all to our benefit at the end of the day.

As another Android fan however, I am more looking forward to the next 'Ice Cream Sandwich' release at the end of the year that claims to have a holographic user interface! <gasp>

neo_wales · 09-06-2011, 20:29

So, its not actually out, on sale, for you you to use, just some beta testing?

psionic · 09-06-2011, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by You_mo

about this bit...

I've had that feature the last few days and I haven't updated anything.

It's under 'app store - updates - purchased'.

That change was server side. The App store 'app' is just a specialised little web browser. In fact you could download previously purchased apps in the past too. They've just made it more obvious now.

psionic · 09-06-2011, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo_wales

So, its not actually out, on sale, for you you to use, just some beta testing?

Yep it's currently just a Developer Preview (first of several I would presume) so that the devs can test it with their existing and forthcoming apps to ensure their apps don't have any problems with it for when it is eventually released 'in the fall'.

mtaylor1811 · 10-06-2011, 06:01

Apparently IOS 5 has been Jailbroken already - so I might be interested in upgrading when it becomes available

http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-...tethered-only/

ACU · 10-06-2011, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pi r squared

To be fair - and I say this as a huge Android fan, and user for the past two years - you could equally argue that many of Android's features, such as pinch-to-zoom, have been "copied" from Apple.

You wont find me arguing otherwise.

Wonder if google will do an apple, and sue apple for blatant copying. Much like Apple did with Samsung.

unklesam · 10-06-2011, 11:19

From cnet uk http://goo.gl/fb/ltyhH

alanwarwic · 10-06-2011, 19:08

I did wonder considering Pandora had to pull their service out of the UK.
For some reason have WE7, which is brilliant quality on a mobile.

psionic · 10-06-2011, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by unklesam

From cnet uk http://goo.gl/fb/ltyhH

A real shame. Presumably other then the music laundering service (not my words) the other free parts of iCloud will still be available to us in the UK.

andy.saunders · 10-06-2011, 20:42

Looking forward getting the new features whenever it is generally released

russellelly · 10-06-2011, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulbrock

stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20%

Have you a source for that? I think 0.1% sounds far more probable.

For anyone tempted to put the dev preview om their main phone - don't! Friend of mine has, and it's unstable enough to be barely useful. Wait for the final release

alanwarwic · 10-06-2011, 21:53

http://www.technologyreview.com/web/37706/

According to that 2 page article there was no cloud music streaming anyway, just wifi and a cloud sync.
So essentially it is wifi sync for the UK and is thus limited by the memory capacity of each device.

CoolboyA · 10-06-2011, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACU

You wont find me arguing otherwise.

Wonder if google will do an apple, and sue apple for blatant copying. Much like Apple did with Samsung.

I was reading about this the other day. I find it ridiculous that Apple sued Samsung for copyright infringement because Samsung made the Samsung Galaxy the same shape as the iPhone and the Android software on it looked like iOS.

Has Apple not realised that all modern mobiles are the same shape and use the same grid layout for icons?! Even my 5 year old SE phone had the same design and software layout...

paulbrock · 10-06-2011, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by russellelly

Have you a source for that? I think 0.1% sounds far more probable.

Between the two actually! I remembered it incorrectly (though the latest data was a couple of years out of date)

http://isource.com/2009/08/05/percen...ises-a-little/

puts it at 8.43 percent.

alanwarwic · 10-06-2011, 22:10

I suspect that the court case is only there to get some negative publicity.

If it helps keep the public mindset that everything is either inferior or a cheap copy of an IOS device, even losing the case means there may be some gain.
The fact that even Steve Jobs in interviews has in the past referred to other stores as being 'app stores' certainly hints at a range of motives.

09-06-2011, 17:31	#101
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	As said above it's about the Operating system (iOS5) which is currently in beta. I suspect it will be released to the public at about the same time as the iPhone 5 is released - probably after the summer hols. edit: I see you've edited the OP and thread title now

09-06-2011, 17:35	#102
danleto Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,519	Yes it is and a handful of those features have been out on other OS's for some time.

09-06-2011, 17:50	#103
daleski75 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Northampton Posts: 1,014	I am quite impressed by what I have seen from iOS5 and thank god it now has a better notification system as the 'old' one sucked. Best bits are the notifications and the fact you don't need to be near a pc to activate the phone over iTunes.

09-06-2011, 17:57	#104
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	if your impressed get yourself an android phone, its what apple have copied. You will get all these features, plus more today!!

09-06-2011, 18:19	#105
You_mo Guest Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,767	about this bit... Quote: Once you install iOS 5, the software now goes off and finds out what you've bought in the past through Apple's App Store and keeps a record of it so if you lose your phone or your iTunes library goes bang, you can still get your apps. I've had that feature the last few days and I haven't updated anything. It's under 'app store - updates - purchased'.

09-06-2011, 19:05	#106
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU if your impressed get yourself an android phone, its what apple have copied. To be fair - and I say this as a huge Android fan, and user for the past two years - you could equally argue that many of Android's features, such as pinch-to-zoom, have been "copied" from Apple.

09-06-2011, 19:54	#107
ferd Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 47	Yes it's only right and natural that there will be an intermingling of the best features from each OS. Android did copy Apple, as Apple did copy Palm before them, etc etc. This competing between Apple, Google, Microsoft & Blackberry is all to our benefit at the end of the day. As another Android fan however, I am more looking forward to the next 'Ice Cream Sandwich' release at the end of the year that claims to have a holographic user interface! <gasp>

09-06-2011, 20:29	#108
neo_wales Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Wales/Gran Canaria Posts: 8,298	So, its not actually out, on sale, for you you to use, just some beta testing?

09-06-2011, 22:20	#109
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by You_mo about this bit... I've had that feature the last few days and I haven't updated anything. It's under 'app store - updates - purchased'. That change was server side. The App store 'app' is just a specialised little web browser. In fact you could download previously purchased apps in the past too. They've just made it more obvious now.

09-06-2011, 22:26	#110
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by neo_wales So, its not actually out, on sale, for you you to use, just some beta testing? Yep it's currently just a Developer Preview (first of several I would presume) so that the devs can test it with their existing and forthcoming apps to ensure their apps don't have any problems with it for when it is eventually released 'in the fall'.

10-06-2011, 06:01	#111
mtaylor1811 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 224	Apparently IOS 5 has been Jailbroken already - so I might be interested in upgrading when it becomes available http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-...tethered-only/

10-06-2011, 10:26	#112
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	Quote: Originally Posted by pi r squared To be fair - and I say this as a huge Android fan, and user for the past two years - you could equally argue that many of Android's features, such as pinch-to-zoom, have been "copied" from Apple. You wont find me arguing otherwise. Wonder if google will do an apple, and sue apple for blatant copying. Much like Apple did with Samsung.

10-06-2011, 11:19	#113
unklesam Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 996	From cnet uk http://goo.gl/fb/ltyhH

10-06-2011, 19:08	#114
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I did wonder considering Pandora had to pull their service out of the UK. For some reason have WE7, which is brilliant quality on a mobile.

10-06-2011, 20:22	#115
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by unklesam From cnet uk http://goo.gl/fb/ltyhH A real shame. Presumably other then the music laundering service (not my words) the other free parts of iCloud will still be available to us in the UK.

10-06-2011, 20:42	#116
andy.saunders Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mellow Moments Presenter Posts: 827	Looking forward getting the new features whenever it is generally released

10-06-2011, 21:23	#117
russellelly Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,720	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock stats generated by companies with tracking software put it at around 10%-20% Have you a source for that? I think 0.1% sounds far more probable. For anyone tempted to put the dev preview om their main phone - don't! Friend of mine has, and it's unstable enough to be barely useful. Wait for the final release

10-06-2011, 21:53	#118
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	http://www.technologyreview.com/web/37706/ According to that 2 page article there was no cloud music streaming anyway, just wifi and a cloud sync. So essentially it is wifi sync for the UK and is thus limited by the memory capacity of each device.

10-06-2011, 21:57	#119
CoolboyA Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alba Posts: 10,181	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU You wont find me arguing otherwise. Wonder if google will do an apple, and sue apple for blatant copying. Much like Apple did with Samsung. I was reading about this the other day. I find it ridiculous that Apple sued Samsung for copyright infringement because Samsung made the Samsung Galaxy the same shape as the iPhone and the Android software on it looked like iOS. Has Apple not realised that all modern mobiles are the same shape and use the same grid layout for icons?! Even my 5 year old SE phone had the same design and software layout...

10-06-2011, 22:07	#120
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	Quote: Originally Posted by russellelly Have you a source for that? I think 0.1% sounds far more probable. Between the two actually! I remembered it incorrectly (though the latest data was a couple of years out of date) http://isource.com/2009/08/05/percen...ises-a-little/ puts it at 8.43 percent.

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iCloud and iOS5

10-06-2011, 22:10	#121
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I suspect that the court case is only there to get some negative publicity. If it helps keep the public mindset that everything is either inferior or a cheap copy of an IOS device, even losing the case means there may be some gain. The fact that even Steve Jobs in interviews has in the past referred to other stores as being 'app stores' certainly hints at a range of motives.