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Todd Grimshaw-homewrecker, love cheat, or a man with a heart of gold but tried 2 hrd? |
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Todd Grimshaw-homewrecker, love cheat, or a man with a heart of gold but tried 2 hrd?
Did Todd deserve what he got? Did he try to hard to make everyone happy, so must have some sypmathy, or did he just maliciously wreck Sarahs life?
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No one is gonna say Todd was evil, he just stopped loveing her, but didnt want to end it with her, so typical soap land everyone finds out and the "Bad" party is punished, Todd gets the brunt of the street and Karl gets a good kicking.
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I wouldnt say he was the devil incarnate, but he did make things a lot worse than they needed to be. The fact that his boyfriend was a manipulative little git didnt help either!
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He should have left Sarah went he knew he was 'different'
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I guess it would have been the right thing to do, but she was carrying his baby, plus he wanted to do right by Sarah, he was even prepared to give up "being gay" and pretend to be "normal" for Sarah, how is that selfish? He is only Selfish to himself.
Being gay doesnt mean you are a pervert. Maybe you have been Gail washed, and coming from a women who married a serial killer, it dont mean much.
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I think that the Todd/Karl affair has shown how different a "Love Triangle" can become when homosexuality is involved.
Surely most of the support for Todd, and hatred for Sarah (or Donkey as the Todd snared thread call her) is only due to his sexuality. If he had had a lingering affair with Candice for instance, no one would have batted an eyelid. The amount of support for Todd quite humours me at times, which I do find hard to understand because in any other Love-Triangle scenario he would be undoubtedly portrayed as the bad guy. Yet both on and off screen I think he's came off quite lightly. Yeh there was the whole fight night period, but many soap-affairs end up with a thump from the female involved's brother or dad. On top of that Todd has had a few jibes from Vera Duckworth, and that's about it in all honesty, yet he continues to be seen as some huge victim? He is a homewrecker and love cheat, but it's so odd how the simple fact that he is gay has made people ignorant of this, and as far as public support is concerned - he's came out (no pun intended ) as the injured party, when for the most part it has been Sarah who was hurt the most overall.
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He is only viewed as a victim because he was, he should have finished with Sarah, but he was in denial aount being gay, confused, he wanted a normal life. Dont forget in the end it was Todd who told her, he wanted to support her whatever, Sarah rejected that.
To be fair both parties lost something and can be seen as victims. Benc is right, the whole "love story" is very complicated, and Todd cant be seen as the purist bad guy. Last edited by Knuxs7 : 13-08-2004 at 16:31. |
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I think that Todd could have handled the situation better but, like he told Sarah, how could he tell her the truth straightaway when he couldn't even admit the truth to himself? Yes, he's a love cheat, yes, he handled things badly, but he never meant to hurt Sarah and he does genuinely love her, just not in the way she wanted him to.
I think that things just ended up spiralling out of control and he ended up being caught between a rock and a hard place- on the one hand, he had Karl urging him to dump Sarah and come out and, on the otherhand, he had Sarah constantly going on about wedding's and babies, plus Katy and Eileen having a go at him all the time! So he had all this pressure from different sides, which I don't think can have helped the situation. I've sort of been the "Sarah" in a similar situation, but without the engagement and babies, although I don't really know what I would think about Todd's situation if that was me and I was pregnant and getting married to someone who was gay. I don't really like to judge people in situations like this because, until you've been there yourself, you really don't know what you'd think about it and how you would react. I do feel a lot more sympathy towards Todd though, I empathise with him more. Laura xx |
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has he not been snared yet ?
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I pretty much agree with what Benc said.. Basically Todd did a Peter Barlow, was involved with two people, didn't want to hurt either.. but ended up making things so much worse than they had to be. The fact that Tood was realising he was gay, doesn't make him any less of a cheater really. And certain factors make it impossible to put all his actions down to his confusion. Such as he and Karl's (who unfortunately for Todd is the most insensitive git he could've found..) behavior at the party in the restaurant, him sleeping with Karl for the second time in his and Sarah's bed! Oh, and let's not forget how he offered Karl a full-time position as his bit on the side.. Hardly admirable.
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Originally Posted by Alex482
Todd Grimshaw - Selfish Pervert
Call him a selfish pervert he's gay get over it, But you entitled to your opinion so I'll say no more. He was in turmoil. He was confused. Mean he is just drop dead gorgerous as well ![]() So you called him I guess all Gay people including myself are selfish perverts. Ben xxx |
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I think that the Todd/Karl affair has shown how different a "Love Triangle" can become when homosexuality is involved.
Surely most of the support for Todd, and hatred for Sarah (or Donkey as the Todd snared thread call her) is only due to his sexuality. If he had had a lingering affair with Candice for instance, no one would have batted an eyelid. The amount of support for Todd quite humours me at times, which I do find hard to understand because in any other Love-Triangle scenario he would be undoubtedly portrayed as the bad guy. Yet both on and off screen I think he's came off quite lightly. Yeh there was the whole fight night period, but many soap-affairs end up with a thump from the female involved's brother or dad. On top of that Todd has had a few jibes from Vera Duckworth, and that's about it in all honesty, yet he continues to be seen as some huge victim? He is a homewrecker and love cheat, but it's so odd how the simple fact that he is gay has made people ignorant of this, and as far as public support is concerned - he's came out (no pun intended ) as the injured party, when for the most part it has been Sarah who was hurt the most overall. Hang on I thought Karl was the home wrecker? Ben xxx |
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I pretty much agree with what Benc said.. Basically Todd did a Peter Barlow, was involved with two people, didn't want to hurt either.. but ended up making things so much worse than they had to be. The fact that Tood was realising he was gay, doesn't make him any less of a cheater really. And certain factors make it impossible to put all his actions down to his confusion. Such as he and Karl's (who unfortunately for Todd is the most insensitive git he could've found..) behavior at the party in the restaurant, him sleeping with Karl for the second time in his and Sarah's bed! Oh, and let's not forget how he offered Karl a full-time position as his bit on the side.. Hardly admirable.
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Like I say, I think he could have handled things differently......I don't think he should have kept on having the affair with Karl but, on the otherhand, it was his affair with Karl that triggered off the events that led him to facing up to who he is and telling Sarah the truth....it would have been a lot worse if he'd kept it a secret for twenty years and then told her. Her whole life would have been even more ruined then. I don't think the situation is black and white and I feel sorry for all those involved. Laura xx |
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Yes, it's odd, I had a lot of sympathy for Todd in his situation, yet if it had involved another woman, I would have thought he was scum. I don't think he did stop loving Sarah at all, I just think she was not the object of his desires any more. He was really beating himself up through the whole think. Karl was manipulative, but if Todd really is gay, then the truth would have eventually come out anyway. I think Todd was trying to be brave and go for damage limitation, thinking it would be worse to marry Sarah under these circumstance just his timing was lousy and the consequences tragic. (Even though it prob was not because of what happened, I don't hink it helped).
Even afterwards, he still wanted to be there for Sarah and Beth, just that Sarah realised that it would prolong the agony |
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Originally Posted by Alex482
Todd Grimshaw - Selfish Pervert
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Oh, I was under the impression you had been banned for your homophobic and racist remarks... obviously you just crawled back under your rock to hide for a while.
And just because I believe that homosexuality is immoral it doesn't make me homophobic. |
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I've never made racist remarks. Get your facts right.
And just because I believe that homosexuality is immoral it doesn't make me homophobic. HAHAHAHA, that really made me laugh!!! thanks for that! |
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I've never made racist remarks. Get your facts right.
And just because I believe that homosexuality is immoral it doesn't make me homophobic. The same old "lover the sinner hate the sin" stuff - it is when they get down to punishing the sinner that the fun begins.Sanctimonious humbug
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Todd was in a relationship and he strayed....guilty
Carl encouraged him to stray.....guilty Sarah....Innocent The gay issue is a red herring |
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Is it true that Sarah gets together with Jason and Todd is upset in the not-too-distant-future? And if so.. do you think Todd has a right to be upset? Ok, personally I don't.. but others may see it differently.
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Is it true that Sarah gets together with Jason and Todd is upset in the not-too-distant-future? And if so.. do you think Todd has a right to be upset? Ok, personally I don't.. but others may see it differently.
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Yeah, I meant from a strictly self-pitying way.. at least, that's what I gathered from the rumours.
Can anyone shed anymore light on whether this plot is upcoming? I'd quite like for Jason to feature in the show more anyway. Um, because he's such a complex and interesting character of course..
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Todd was in a relationship and he strayed....guilty
Carl encouraged him to stray.....guilty Sarah....Innocent The gay issue is a red herring Quote:
Originally Posted by Garbage
Yeah, I meant from a strictly self-pitying way.. at least, that's what I gathered from the rumours. Can anyone shed anymore light on whether this plot is upcoming? I'd quite like for Jason to feature in the show more anyway. Um, because he's such a complex and interesting character of course..
I really don't think that's true though- I mean, they've put so much hard work into this storyline that I find it doubtful that they'll suddenly turn Todd heterosexual again, especially after what he says in the Rovers on the 23rd. The rumours do persist about Jason/Sarah though....I think they all started because on that Soap prog on ch4 a few weeks ago, they showed a Corrie meeting and it was about Todd's exit and they'd written down stuff like "Todd/Sarah/Jason. Todd catches them and leaves" I hope it isn't true though- would be really weird, especially considering the fact that there has been a Bruno/Tina/Ryan triangle in real life. The way Sarah's being at the moment, I can imagine her sleeping with Jason just to spite Todd though!!!!Laura xx |
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Yeah, for Todd to try and get back with Sarah would undermine the whole Karl affair plot, the death of baby Billy, the Grimshaw/Platt street brawl.. everything!
That's a good point.. I'd forgotten about the Ryan/Tina/Bruno triangle, I guess they're used to having to be professional about these kind of things though. I think it'd be a good exit plot fot Todd if he was upset that he was betrayed by his brother.. but I'm sure they can make him seem unhappy about the Sarah/Jason relationship without having to compromise the character's new-found homosexuality.. Lol, I'm sure Sarah could find a better reason to sleep with Jason than just to spite her ex..
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) as the injured party, when for the most part it has been Sarah who was hurt the most overall.

