Jim is pure gold !! A great salesman, plays the game (and it is a game) - the rest of the contestants are wimps He is there to win and will do whatever it takes to do so Sir Alan to Jim - you are fired !! Jim to Sir Alan - are you sure ?? Sir Alan - to Jim "Sorry Jim, you are hired !!!! "

JIM IS THE BEST CANDIDATE EVER

well my favourite anyway, hes exactly what i woul be like in the boardroom, those 3 are not gods, if you disagree tell them i say,dont lay and down and take it

well done jim....well done

the USP failed the task,not the title...lord alan is not perfect!

also tasha at the end was rude and once again jim put her in her place...dont mess with jim!

I didn't like the side we saw to him yesterday but there is a part of me that would like to see him get to the interview stage, purely because that is the time and process when a candidate can be really exposed (if there are things lurking in their business past that has yet to be revealed in the boardroom). It's my favourite part of the show probably, and those interviewers can see right though a candidate trying to over embellish on the CV as well as in person.

I wouldn't say Lord Sug is out to get Jim, it's hardly the first time we've seen him say "your card's marked" to a candidate or highlighted that he sees' now see through them, is it? All yesterdays epsiodes means is that Jim just needs to perform well, admit his faults and that others (who are aware of the Jedi effect that Jim had on Vince) need to stand up and take the fight for this prize (even if against Jedi himself).

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Jim sure knows how to reduce pieces of meat in a butcher's shop from £100 down to £85.

Wow. What a winner.

Shame he's failed on every other conceivable level, Sir Alan sees through his BS. It gave me a huge

Jim is stuck on the shit team with the losers, thats the problem, he's being dragged down with the incompetants. It got to him last night. But for me, he's streets ahead of every other candidate.

I'll reply seeing as you quoted me. If you look back to post 18, I did already give the same reason as you for LS wanting Jim in the boardroom.

I dont know why Jim wants to be PM. Hasnt he been till now. Did he ever say a thing what wasnt accepted. There is not much difference between the teams or with the people in them. Most tasks have been almost a draw. The last one could be because they were lucky and had the better product. He is good at getting out of a tight corner but not at much else. He thought LS would give him points for EVERY and made sure to say it was his idea. He broke the rule. Never show off unless youre on the winning team. When whatever you do is 'right'. He will get to the end because LS likes him in the board room. But unless he changes his tune he wont like him anywhere else either.

But surely LS would want a business partner who could be ruthless?

I think Jim would've been a lot better off had he just acknowledged that his "Every" concept wasn't so great, in retrospect, once he'd taken on board the criticism from Suralan and the ad agency. His failiure came when having heard the feedback, he then tried to blame the team for running with his idea.

If he'd have just said, "Yes, I came up with it, and now I can see why perhaps it wasn't the best idea," I think he would have come away smelling of roses.

Absolutely.

From the way he behaved in the boardroom I would normally consider him beyond redemption, now.

However, as I make considerable allowance for the stress, sleep deprivation, and general weirdness of the whole process for the candidates (i.e. to what extent is it a game and to what extent is it 'real'), I'd still give him another chance. But I would expect him to demonstrate that he can take responsibility for any errors he makes.

Yes, but he doesn't like those that are ruthless and will use and abuse others to get what they want. You can be ruthless and have integrity, but it doesn't appear Jim does.

LS demonstrated that by telling Vincent that jim was basically using him.

How did Jim abuse others? The business I am in must be TERRIBLY cutthroat because we have folk here who would make JIm look like a pussycat. Abuse? Where?

And how did Vincent use him?

Jim is one man among a team of people.

If those team are too weak to speak up against someone then they shouldnt be on there. It was Vincents concept and they were then all brainstorming. Jim said Everydog ............the rest of the beached flounders sat there and let the rest do the work, and then complained in the boardroom that they had all been so clever in saying it wasnt right all along .......

Yes Jim jumped in too quick when he thought he was going to get praise for the idea - but if you work in advertising and someone asks whose idea it was..............well you are going to say its yours - I sometimes wonder on here if folk are so used to see the X factor or some popularity contest that they get all bent out of shape when someone is assertive.

Now I do agree that he should wind his neck in as he has stuck it out too far .............let some of the beached flounders do some work and take the flak . But I find it hilarious that he is called "abuser and bully" by some on this section - he is far from that.

There's a big discrepancy between the power of his voice and the actual quality of his input.

Why should Jim be so potent a presence in that group? His advice hasn't been brilliant yet the others have followed his lead blindly. I guess Sugar wants the apprentices to appraise him better. Jim has a personal charismatic force but that doesn't necessarily make him wise or even competent in all situations.

Yea I don't get the whole abuser and bully thing myself, people on here are exaggerating far too much

Abuser is pretty far fetched.

Bully is a bit more problematic. It somewhat depends on his audience. To people used to dealing with loud and assertive people he's probably not a problem but to those who are used to a calmer, less confrontational, environment he may well come across as a bit aggressive and threatening.

However, no one on YF has hinted that they've found him a problem.

The phrase I used was 'used and abused' that doesn't necessarily mean physical or verbal abuse. In this context i meant that he abuses the hold he knows he has over people to use for his own gain. Sure that happens in business, but there's something very malicious about him that I can't quite put my finger on.

I never referred to him as a bully. Sure other people shouldn't be so stupid to fall at his feet but he also shouldn't abuse any influence he does have for bad things.

Doomed. The evidence suggests he is a manipulator who forces his ideas through and will say anything to survive. He also seems unable to admit he's wrong or take the blame. This week suggests he's capable of having bad ideas and not seeing it, and not taking ownership of the fault. There's been questions over his ideas and performance in previous weeks too. His biggest successes have been in negotiating prices down, but thats no use if you have a dud idea anyway, and the last thing you want is someone forceful who pushes on and on with a bad idea.

Worst he's clearly been marked up, on TV, as not suitable by Lord Sugar ,and both his advisers, which makes him an incredible winner after whats already been said about him. Tom with a decent project to offer, or Melody, both now look much more acceptable, stronger and smarter prospects.

If you railroad over good ideas to push your own inferior idea, you won't succeed.

You clearly didn't see the clips on the red button on "You're Fired" then.

He had Tom in an armlock and made him say "I'm a gay".

I really don't see how you can defend this behaviour.

Naughty moggy!

But when did he do that? Coming up with an idea that the team decides to go with isn't the same thing as what you're describing. And the concept of dog food for all dogs wasn't even his.

I dont disagree with you on that.

But if they follow blindly then they are weak surely, they shouldnt "allow" him to browbeat them, no matter what he says or how he says it. He is only one person, someone needs to grow a pair otherwise they just look like the mice following the Pied piper of Hamlen. (spelling?)

Tom is looking really good for Sugar.

He's clearly very intelligent and thinks things through.

Not only that but he's not overly forceful. I'm pretty sure that Sugar will want to pick someone that he feels he stands a good chance of controlling.

He can use someone a bit mouthy as an employee but as a partner I'm sure he'd prefer someone a little more pliant.

Again I dont disagree with what you say, but someone else made the point above that no one on YF has mentioned any of this using and abusing............

You mention using and abusing the "hold" he has...........well I could argue that this shows the team to be weak! I deal with folk like Jim and an awful lot more assertive than him on a daily basis. I would love a JIm in my team, seriously, if he can have that hold over a whole group of people while only being one man then he is a force to be reckoned with, and its the group that has the problem, its not as if he is their boss or anything, so they shoudlnt let him act like it.

People keep saying about him having a hold, someone only has a hold if you let them. Someone else said that if you are used to dealing with assertive loud people he will seem okay, well yes exactly - as I said in business you get a lot of different "types" and at least Jim carries an idea through and gives it his best shot. What he does need is someone as assertive has him to tell him in no uncertain terms when he has the wrong end of the stick..............and none of them have the bollox to do it at the minute, I guess its more important to keep your head down, and Im sure if their team had won they would be patting him on the back for his "idea"

I would be looking more at the weakness of the rest of them letting him lead and decide, rather than him "taking" the lead ..........I know who I would rather go into business and its not a week whinger that does nothing when you need them and then complains you did wrong and they knew it all along, in the boardroom.