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Dr River Song - The hints and clues!!
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sigsig
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by SnoopyChicken:
“Doesn't mean we're not allowed to express our disappointment.
Obviously you don't think so which is great for you, but for me and others, River being Amy's daughter just seems a little (for want of a better word) lame.”

Okay that's fair enough, everyone can have an opinion. I quite like the idea. I guess my ire is more directed at those who feel it will be a massive let down after all this build up, because her family history isn't really what we're building up to.
benrees21
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“For goodness sake, I must have made this post ten times. It doesn't matter who she is! It matters what she does!

Since so many people are determined to be disappointed if a single phrase description of River Song doesn't immediately explain everything, I might as well pitch in with what will disappoint me: if the only explanation we get is a single phrase.

But we're not going to get that! Series 6 is all about who she is and what she does. It doesn't matter if she is Amy's daughter.”

And I'm saying if she is it is poor writing and really quite lame. Yes she can go on and do other great things but just her being Amy's daughter is pathetic really.
sigsig
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by benrees21:
“And I'm saying if she is it is poor writing and really quite lame. Yes she can go on and do other great things but just her being Amy's daughter is pathetic really.”

What if she was Amy's daughter, the Doctor's wife, a future murderer and a Timelord in disguise? They're not mutually exclusive. And the last three of those descriptions are far more exciting.
benrees21
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“What if she was Amy's daughter, the Doctor's wife, a future murderer and a Timelord in disguise? They're not mutually exclusive. And the last three of those descriptions are far more exciting.”

I'm just saying after 3 years she better be something a whole lot more then just Amy's daughter. I'm not going to argue about it.
sigsig
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by benrees21:
“I'm just saying after 3 years she better be something a whole lot more then just Amy's daughter. I'm not going to argue about it.”

I'm sure she will be trust me if that was the only explanation we got, I too would be disappointed.
benrees21
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“I'm sure she will be trust me if that was the only explanation we got, I too would be disappointed.”

Cool

Now I've gotta get back home from work!
rostaria
03-06-2011
I think the problem is some people see Amy and Rory as normal human people. Amy spent 95% of her childhood with a crack in her wall which poured the whole of time and space into her head. Rory (Even though he is now human.) spent two thousand years as a plastic centurian and for some reason keeps on coming back to life when he should be dead.
I dont see them as normal humans. So it wont be such a let down for me.
sigsig
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by rostaria:
“I think the problem is some people see Amy and Rory as normal human people. Amy spent 95% of her childhood with a crack in her wall which poured the whole of time and space into her head. Rory (Even though he is now human.) spent two thousand years as a plastic centurian and for some reason keeps on coming back to life when he should be dead.
I dont see them as normal humans. So it wont be such a let down for me.”

And now I have the urge to start a thread saying I will be disappointed if River is not Amy's daughter
rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by sigsig:
“And now I have the urge to start a thread saying I will be disappointed if River is not Amy's daughter ”

I will join you.
bringonthewall
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by rostaria:
“I will join you. ”

Me too! It seems like the logical conclusion really... we have to remember that it has to make sense as a narrative. Based on the little clues we've had so far pointing in that direction, a more casual viewer would be left in the cold if the explanation really was a genuine surprise to everyone like, I don't know, River is the Doctor from an alternate universe which was created in the Big Bang 2 Like the last series of Ashes to Ashes for example, which gave the viewer just enough clues that those who liked to analyse could work it out, but without ruining the quality of the reveal. It has to be something that will surprise us but at the same time make us think 'Oh yeah, that makes sense!'
rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by bringonthewall:
“Me too! It seems like the logical conclusion really... we have to remember that it has to make sense as a narrative. Based on the little clues we've had so far pointing in that direction, a more casual viewer would be left in the cold if the explanation really was a genuine surprise to everyone like, I don't know, River is the Doctor from an alternate universe which was created in the Big Bang 2 Like the last series of Ashes to Ashes for example, which gave the viewer just enough clues that those who liked to analyse could work it out, but without ruining the quality of the reveal. It has to be something that will surprise us but at the same time make us think 'Oh yeah, that makes sense!'”

Yes I mean I kind of guess that Alex was dead and Gene was an Archangelish type figure. It was amazing.
SusWho
03-06-2011
You know what I have a funny feeling is going to happen:

- We'll find out that River is Amy's daughter

- There will be lots of rage amongst those who think its too predictable

- Mr Moffat will sit quietly giggling to himself for the next three months

- Come the second part of the series, we'll really find out who she is as there is more to her than simply being Amy's daughter

- It will be a massive shock and all those who raged will have to eat humble pie

- Mr Moffat will sit and giggle some more thinking to himself "I got them real good this time" Suckers!"

rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by SusWho:
“You know what I have a funny feeling is going to happen:

- We'll find out that River is Amy's daughter

- There will be lots of rage amongst those who think its too predictable

- Mr Moffat will sit quietly giggling to himself for the next three months

- Come the second part of the series, we'll really find out who she is as there is more to her than simply being Amy's daughter

- It will be a massive shock and all those who raged will have to eat humble pie

- Mr Moffat will sit and giggle some more thinking to himself "I got them real good this time" Suckers!"

”

I refer to a quote from Steven posted at 19:20
Quote:
“steven_moffat Steven Moffat
For all of you who keep on, yes, you will find out who River is tomorrow. Thing is though - was that what you were REALLY asking?”

SusWho
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by rostaria:
“I refer to a quote from Steven posted at 19:20”

Indeed, I saw that very tweet, which made me think that what I said above is going to happen (although I have kinda thought it for a while. I'm convinced that if the rumours about River being Amy's daughter turn out to be true, it will be nowhere near the whole story. There will be something a lot more significant to her than that. Hopefully something that none of us has seen coming!
rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by SusWho:
“Indeed, I saw that very tweet, which made me think that what I said above is going to happen (although I have kinda thought it for a while. I'm convinced that if the rumours about River being Amy's daughter turn out to be true, it will be nowhere near the whole story. There will be something a lot more significant to her than that. Hopefully something that none of us has seen coming!”

I agree with you.
SnoopyChicken
03-06-2011
Reading this thread makes me feel a lot better about it. I was thinking it'll probably be really corny
Spoiler
if she is Amy's daughter

but I trust Moff to do it well, he's not let me down yet!
justine01
03-06-2011
River for me has always been an essentially 51st/52nd century human - and yes, her turning out to be a 20th century daughter to Amy and Rory would not only be lame imo, but also not reflective of her character and narrative so far.

So, I am still hoping the answer will be different
Lady Voldemort
03-06-2011
A theory that has been put to me is that River and the Doctor are Amy's real parents, rather than River being Amy's daughter. "I'm quiet a screamer" - childbirth?
MrOstentatious
03-06-2011
I remember during Eccelston's reign

Spoiler
He went back in time with Rose and she touched her younger self and those dragon-like things came and tried killing them all. The baby can't be River?
rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by MrOstentatious:
“I remember during Eccelston's reign

Spoiler
He went back in time with Rose and she touched her younger self and those dragon-like things came and tried killing them all. The baby can't be River?
”

Spoiler
The world had been changed because Rose had saved her father so the dragon like things came to earth. The world was already cracked because of that.
I also refer to The Big Bang. Amy touched Amelia and those dragon like things didnt come and rip up the universe.
and also to the christmas carol.
Flamethrower100
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by justine01:
“River for me has always been an essentially 51st/52nd century human - and yes, her turning out to be a 20th century daughter to Amy and Rory would not only be lame imo, but also not reflective of her character and narrative so far.

So, I am still hoping the answer will be different ”

she's a time traveller. so what does it matter what time she comes from.
Flamethrower100
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“A theory that has been put to me is that River and the Doctor are Amy's real parents, rather than River being Amy's daughter. "I'm quiet a screamer" - childbirth?”

That would mean Amy came onto her father. that's just not cool.
rostaria
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by Flamethrower100:
“That would mean Amy came onto her father. that's just not cool.”

Agreed. I dont know why people keep suggesting incest. and the next person to suggest that its the 51st centuary so things have changed needs to realise incest is never never going to be accepted. Epecially on a family show.
Flamethrower100
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by SnoopyChicken:
“Reading this thread makes me feel a lot better about it. I was thinking it'll probably be really corny
Spoiler
if she is Amy's daughter

but I trust Moff to do it well, he's not let me down yet!”


That's not corny imo.

I thought about this theory for a while but at first I thought it was that River was Amy. but that would be stupid.
Flamethrower100
03-06-2011
Originally Posted by rostaria:
“Agreed. I dont know why people keep suggesting incest. and the next person to suggest that its the 51st centuary so things have changed needs to realise incest is never never going to be accepted. Epecially on a family show.”

it's not really incest. But it is creepy. And not exceptable. not that I would care, I've read books with incest as the main theme, flowers in the attic.

But that kind of theme is not for doctor who. the idea that Amy is the doctor's daughter is creepy. she wanted to bed him after all. And she is in love with him.
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